Integration has done more harm than good, black people have less than 1% of nation's wealth

[Vonte3000]

Point taken, as was illustrated by a visit to my grandfather's home town in Mississippi, but I still disagree with the original premise. I'll still take being black in my day over his day, and many of the issues inhibiting black people from starting there own businesses are frankly affecting white people who aren't a part of existing corporate power structure.

It's not saying black people have a harder time today than before in terms of social equality, it's saying financially and in terms of wealth, we have are in the same place we were when we were freed, 1% of the nation's wealth is nothing

 

[Vonte3000]

You got to love the fact that black people who never had to live in those times think that it was better during segregation.

That's not what the article or the fukking video are saying

 

[superunknown23]

You got to love the fact that black people who never had to live in those times think that it was better during segregation.

Go tell any southern black man over the age of 70 that shyt was better back then... He'd slap the shyt outta you

 

[MeachTheMonster]

It's not saying black people have a harder time today than before in terms of social equality, it's saying financially and in terms of wealth, we have are in the same place we were when we were freed, 1% of the nation's wealth is nothing

If you look at the population as a whole there hasn't been much economic growth for anyone. As they say the rich get richer and the poor get poorer

 

[Vonte3000]

This is some dumb shyt, would you really want to still have separate bathrooms.

Read the damn article for god's fukking sake, it's saying we integrated but we're not fukking equal and we're no better off in terms of WEALTH

no where does it say "black people had it better in segregation" I don't understand where people are getting that

 

[IAmGettingAMailOrderBride]

Doesn't the 1% own like 80% of the nations wealth though?

There's no much to go around after that

 

[Vonte3000]

If you look at the population as a whole there hasn't been much economic growth for anyone. As they say the rich get richer and the poor get poorer

Why is that? The video says it, during slavery era policies were made and are still in effect that took all of the resources and wealth and moved it to one group of people and they have a stranglehold on it. Even if we did get back on our feet as a community we would have a hard time growing financially

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Why is that? The video says it, during slavery era policies were made and are still in effect that took all of the resources and wealth and moved it to one group of people and they have a stranglehold on it.

Desegregation or not this would hold true. In fact isolating ourselves from what little wealth they do allow to trickle down would make us worse off economically.

Even if we did get back on our feet as a community we would have a hard time growing financially

And this is my biggest problem with these types of arguments. All the doom and gloom about the current status of black people. We are on our feet and we have grown financially. If you compare us to white people, sure we are behind. If you compare us to ourselves over the years, we are much better off now than we have been in the past both socially and economically.

 

[Vonte3000]

While this is a bold thing to say, the article nor this thread offer any evidence that link what the author terms as integration and a gradual decline in black living standards in real terms, what the author would call "harm". I've heard this claim from many different sources and I invite any proponent of this line of thinking to guide me to any statistical evidence that paints pre and post segregation black people in a descending light in terms of real terms and living standards.

Individually we're better but as a whole we're worse off. In integration we lost our pride along with all those black businesses. Hotels for example
http://www.nabhood.net/home/index.php/about-us/history-of-black-owned-hotels

How many black owned hotels are their today? How many black owned businesses are their period? Back then we were forced to create our own places to do business because no one else would give us business. Like I said in an earlier post, a restaurant wouldn't serve us so we went and built and managed our owns. Now if something like that were to happen we would call the press, bring media attention to it or do anything but make our own alternative. The Montgomery bus boycotts are a good example.

Blacks owned their own bus companies and taxis too.
http://www.nctrans.org/Media/Releases/Historic-African-American-owned-Safe-Bus-Company-o.aspx

http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/article_5613c018-d6f3-11e2-8657-0019bb30f31a.html

taxi companies buses all of that for blacks, the boycotts were a very courageous act and such but instead of boycotting them for forcing blacks to the bus, we could have opened or went to a business for black transportation instead.

Look at the statistics for today's black businesses

"Despite the 60.5% increase of firms, 55% increase of receipts, and 13% increase of businesses with paid employees,Black owned businesses only make up 7% of all U.S firms and less than a half percent of all U.S business receipts. African American Adults (ages 10 and up) make up 10% of the adult population and are therefore underrepresented in the U.S. in terms of business ownership especially when it comes to earnings."

Dearth-
a scarcity or lack of something.
"there is a dearth of evidence"
This is important because we are no better off economically than pre-segregation. Like the articles say our growth is stagnant, there is none. Whether we declined or not is something that would take me a little longer but with our loss of independence in desegregation I would think we did.

 

[Vonte3000]

Desegregation or not this would hold true. In fact isolating ourselves from what little wealth they do allow to trickle down would make us worse off economically.



And this is my biggest problem with these types of arguments. All the doom and gloom about the current status of black people. We are on our feet and we have grown financially. If you compare us to white people, sure we are behind. If you compare us to ourselves over the years, we are much better off now than we have been in the past both socially and economically.

Isolating ourselves would mean spending ALL of our money on black businesses allowing our money to bounce and stay within our own communities. Instead of going to get Louis belts we go down the black to a black owned clothing store or restaurant and every paycheck we get goes to our own community. It's far better than spending our money and putting it in the hands of others right?



We are behind compared to EVERYONE because everyone else comes here with a since of community and culture. They have the principle of helping their own and supporting each other something we lack. That's the point of the article, individually we are better off we can't be outright denied services like before but as a collective we haven't shown any improvement in all this time we've had.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Even with all the faults of "desegregation" and white people actively fighting to place barriers on our progress. The truth is we are much better off now than we were back then. Still not equal, but isolating ourselves socially, economically, and politically, would have stifled our growth even more.

Equal is creating you own, not trying to be accepted by other people. If you create something great you wont be isolated because other people will try to be down.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Individually we're better but as a whole we're worse off. In integration we lost our pride along with all those black businesses. Hotels for example
http://www.nabhood.net/home/index.php/about-us/history-of-black-owned-hotels

How many black owned hotels are their today? How many black owned businesses are their period? Back then we were forced to create our own places to do business because no one else would give us business. Like I said in an earlier post, a restaurant wouldn't serve us so we went and built and managed our owns. Now if something like that were to happen we would call the press, bring media attention to it or do anything but make our own alternative. The Montgomery bus boycotts are a good example.

Blacks owned their own bus companies and taxis too.
http://www.nctrans.org/Media/Releases/Historic-African-American-owned-Safe-Bus-Company-o.aspx

http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/article_5613c018-d6f3-11e2-8657-0019bb30f31a.html

taxi companies buses all of that for blacks, the boycotts were a very courageous act and such but instead of boycotting them for forcing blacks to the bus, we could have opened or went to a business for black transportation instead.

Look at the statistics for today's black businesses

"Despite the 60.5% increase of firms, 55% increase of receipts, and 13% increase of businesses with paid employees,Black owned businesses only make up 7% of all U.S firms and less than a half percent of all U.S business receipts. African American Adults (ages 10 and up) make up 10% of the adult population and are therefore underrepresented in the U.S. in terms of business ownership especially when it comes to earnings."

Dearth-
a scarcity or lack of something.
"there is a dearth of evidence"
This is important because we are no better off economically than pre-segregation. Like the articles say our growth is stagnant, there is none. Whether we declined or not is something that would take me a little longer but with our loss of independence in desegregation I would think we did.

while I agree with this you have to put an asterisk on that chart. Some of those races $$$ originate from their home countries and Indian's got those reservation/casinos. Some of those other races get grants that cater to them as well. There are no african american grants.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Isolating ourselves would mean spending ALL of our money on black businesses allowing our money to bounce and stay within our own communities. Instead of going to get Louis belts we go down the black to a black owned clothing store or restaurant and every paycheck we get goes to our own community. It's far better than spending our money and putting it in the hands of others right?

It goes both ways. We'd be spending all our money within our own community but we'd also be limiting ourselves to only the money in our own community. You can't grow like that. The societies that grow are those who are able to reach the most potential capital, not those that isolate themselves.

We are behind compared to EVERYONE because everyone else comes here with a since of community and culture. They have the principle of helping their own and supporting each other something we lack. That's the point of the article, individually we are better off we can't be outright denied services like before but as a collective we haven't shown any improvement in all this time we've had.

Although I disagree with your assessment that we are behind compared to everyone, in speaking on where black people fit in to American society, you shouldn't compare our achievement to any other group because our experience doesn't compare to any other group.

The idea that black people lack the will to support our own is asinine. That's how we made it this far. Within 100 years we've gone from slaves to the President, and that's all due to black people supporting and fighting for ourselves.

And in every measurable way we've improved immensely.

The idea that black people are so bad off now comes from watching too much white media, YouTube and worldstar.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Equal is creating you own, not trying to be accepted by other people. If you create something great you wont be isolated because other people will try to be down.

In order to create something great you need access to a resource that outsiders do not have access to. Black people in America have no access to such a resource. Therefore purposely segregating ourselves would only limit us to passing around the same wealth, not growing.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

I think we must ask the obvious question, was MLK a CIA plant?

- Pushed the "look to jesus to save us from white supremacy" narrative
- Promoted Integration as opposed to truly equal segregation
- Pushed the "all white people's ain't bad" message as opposed to the "stay the fukk away from white people" message Malcolm preached.
- Apparently may have been fukking white women on the low.
- Hung with known scum bags like Jesse Jackson