Indianapolis Colts held Peyton Manning back

[yseJ]

I meant Tampa 2, and yes, it is a prehistoric defense.

again, cover 2, is pretty much tampa 2 - which you had no clue when you first posted on here. the only difference is how deep the MILB is dropping back instead of cover 2 'hook zone'. two of the pictures I posted in this thread were tampa 2 coverages. and tampa 2 is used interchangeably at this point with cover 2, all concepts besides MILB assigment are the SAME.

teams still run tampa 2 coverages a lot- whether not you like it or not.

And by the way, your dumbass still didn't answer my question. If both pts and yards are taken into account, you realize that only 2 of those years we had a top 10 defense right? 11th is not top 10.

who said both pts and yards are taken in account ? usually defenses rank is decided by pts (scoring defense)
but even if they are top 11 twice out of 8 factors makes it not a top 10 defense? stop it youre grasping at straws

You don't really know as much as you think you do, I would suggest you stop pretending.

you dont know shyt,period. youre a biased clown who tries to polish your hero qb's dikk(and probably an alias of the other clown colts fan on this board) and parroting shyt.

you are out of your element here, sit the fukk down before I school you even further.

 

[Ice Cold]

Last lost to NYJ where Indy took the lead at the end but defense / special teams instantly gave up a fg.

That was on Jimmy Caldwell, he called a timeout and gave the jets time to think when they had a rookie QB (the Sanchize I think that was his rookie year)

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Hey, with all that being said....


Peyton still>Brady....

 

[Womb Raider]

again, cover 2, is pretty much tampa 2 - which you had no clue when you first posted on here. the only difference is how deep the MILB is dropping back instead of cover 2 'hook zone'. two of the pictures I posted in this thread were tampa 2 coverages. and tampa 2 is used interchangeably at this point with cover 2, all concepts besides MILB assigment are the SAME.

teams still run tampa 2 coverages a lot- whether not you like it or not.


who said both pts and yards are taken in account ? usually defenses rank is decided by pts (scoring defense)
but even if they are top 11 twice out of 8 factors makes it not a top 10 defense? stop it youre grasping at straws


you dont know shyt,period. youre a biased clown who tries to polish your hero qb's dikk(and probably an alias of the other clown colts fan on this board) and parroting shyt.

you are out of your element here, sit the fukk down before I school you even further.

Again, no shyt nikka. One is an original concept and the other is a variant that is slowly being phased out of the league. It's common knowledge, but again nikkas like you think you schooling someone cuz you can use google



Why do you think I asked which one you were referring to dumbass? You circled both scoring and yards but were only talking about yards? Again, you really suck at this teacher shyt nikka


aight you can have that top 11 shyt lol, fact is the defense still got shyt on in the playoffs, which defeats your entire point. Peyton had a top 10 defense that still shat the bed when it mattered? Then why have it at all?


I'm a clown? You don't know shyt about the Colts besides stats. You aint schooling shyt, sucka ass nikka.

 

[yseJ]

Again, no shyt nikka. One is an original concept and the other is a variant that is slowly being phased out of the league.

you are really clueless. theyre pretty much the same shyt. both cover-2 and tampa-2 are used extensively by teams in zone coverages. theyre not used as much for base, but theyre still effective on teams with good secondaries

It's common knowledge, but again nikkas like you think you schooling someone cuz you can use google

why would I use google for something I know ?: heh: funny how you say something as common knoweldge but yet you only mention once I mention it

Why do you think I asked which one you were referring to dumbass? You circled both scoring and yards but were only talking about yards? Again, you really suck at this teacher shyt nikka

the scoring offense was clearly a top 10 defense in those years.

fact is the defense still got shyt on in the playoffs, which defeats your entire point. Peyton had a top 10 defense that still shat the bed when it mattered? Then why have it at all?

my entire point was that you were wrong about the defenses not being top 10 defenses, and I called you

I'm a clown? You don't know shyt about the Colts besides stats. You aint schooling shyt, sucka ass nikka.

of course I know shyt, and unlike you I watch all-22 film of EVERY team for fun. like, I go through all-22 film and concept coverages for fun. you a colts stanley who only cares about colts games. I see you.

I was breaking film down before you even joined that site (unless you another alias of that horrible colts/pacer stan)
Coaches film analysis from the superbowl

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Can you name a playoff game Peyton's Colts lost because of the defense?

I can name several they lost because Peyton was fukking up.

They got smoked by the Patriots one year 20-3.

Took a loss to a Pittsburgh team that scored just 21.

17-16 loss to the Jets.

23-17 to the Chargers

Let's see in 2003 they had to win a game against Kansas City where the defense forced 0 punts. In 2005, there was no excuse for getting carved up by second year qb Big Ben at a time when you could still play defense and get physical without fear of getting flagged all the time. 2007 their defense allowed billy fukking volek to drive for the game winning score. 2008 Peyton left the field with a 3 point lead and his defense gave it up and then gave up 6 on the first possession of overtime, in the super bowl against New Orleans his defense generated 1 sack, forced 0 turnovers, his special teams unit allowed an onside kick to be recovered, let Drew Brees complete 75% of his passes, and gave up 24 points. In 2010 he drove the colts to take a 2 point lead with 50 seconds left and the defense and special teams gave it away right away. In 2012 against the Ravens champ Bailey got beat for a pair of 50 yard touchdowns by Torrey smith (), their safety blew the coverage on Jacoby jones on the Hail Mary for 70 yards with 40 seconds left, and in overtime with the Ravens on their own 15 yard line with a 3rd and 18, they gave up a 20 yard pass over the middle. In the super bowl against Seattle, the Seahawks got a safety from a bad snap by the center that went over Peyton's head, they scored on a kickoff return, and the Seattle offense scored 27 points while the Broncos defense forced 0 turnovers and generated 0 sacks. You're not beating that Seahawks team when their offense gets 27 and they get a safety off that and they take a kick to the house. Not a whole lot manning could have done to fix these issues.

 

[mastermind]

Let's see in 2003 they had to win a game against Kansas City where the defense forced 0 punts. In 2005, there was no excuse for getting carved up by second year qb Big Ben at a time when you could still play defense and get physical without fear of getting flagged all the time. 2007 their defense allowed billy fukking volek to drive for the game winning score. 2008 Peyton left the field with a 3 point lead and his defense gave it up and then gave up 6 on the first possession of overtime, in the super bowl against New Orleans his defense generated 1 sack, forced 0 turnovers, his special teams unit allowed an onside kick to be recovered, let Drew Brees complete 75% of his passes, and gave up 24 points. In 2010 he drove the colts to take a 2 point lead with 50 seconds left and the defense and special teams gave it away right away. In 2012 against the Ravens champ Bailey got beat for a pair of 50 yard touchdowns by Torrey smith (), their safety blew the coverage on Jacoby jones on the Hail Mary for 70 yards with 40 seconds left, and in overtime with the Ravens on their own 15 yard line with a 3rd and 18, they gave up a 20 yard pass over the middle. In the super bowl against Seattle, the Seahawks got a safety from a bad snap by the center that went over Peyton's head, they scored on a kickoff return, and the Seattle offense scored 27 points while the Broncos defense forced 0 turnovers and generated 0 sacks. You're not beating that Seahawks team when their offense gets 27 and they get a safety off that and they take a kick to the house. Not a whole lot manning could have done to fix these issues.

They won the Kansas City game. One of the few times the offense stepped up.

The Pittsburgh loss, the Colts scored 18 points.

We not talking about his Denver teams although the offense mustered 8 in a super bowl they were favored to win.



The Saints game is the only one but he a goal line interception.

No other quarterback gets the benefit of a doubt but Peyton and that includes Brady.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

i have no rebuttal so I'm just going to ramble since I've been proven wrong.

 

[Brief Keef]

We are getting to witness him with a real team around him now.

he won a SB with them STFU

 

[Brief Keef]

you said its a prehistoric defense, yet teams run it on the regular. and yeah, teams dont run it the whole game. the colts didnt run a tampa 2 whole game either.

But of course some nikka that knows basic coverages is going to act like he knows more than others.
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I know more coverages than you do, and its easy to notice by what you say because youre simply parroting shyt you saw or overheard. Im not denying cover-2 is going out of fashion, but the fact is it was 1) a force in the times we're talking about 2) still extremely effective with right personnel and good defensive coordinators, and employed by top notch defenses in the league today



here, I took two minutes out of my time because your illterate ass couldnt read a site as simple as pro football reference

nikka never lost more than 6 games with indy yet this fool (op) said they held him back

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

 

[Bugatti Biceps]

He always had a great offense but whenever he needed his defense to come up big, they didn't (sans the SB win).

Defense even didn't that well in the SB, the Bears offense was hot garbage that year.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Defense even didn't that well in the SB, the Bears offense was hot garbage that year.

They had to get break at some point. The colts offense had to face the top 3 defenses in the league that postseason in a row

 

[pete clemenza]

He's doing less movement and changes on offense as well..In Indy dude would change the play up like ten times before the ball was snapped. He start off in the shotgun, yell out some sh*t, then go pro style and get right up under the center, call out some more sh*t then transform back into the shotgun all over again on damn near every play Now its just a few "Omahas" and then they snap that sh*t

 

[calh45]

Nope