Indianapolis Colts held Peyton Manning back

[JLova]

Can you name a playoff game Peyton's Colts lost because of the defense?

I can name several they lost because Peyton was fukking up.

They got smoked by the Patriots one year 20-3.

Took a loss to a Pittsburgh team that scored just 21.

17-16 loss to the Jets.

23-17 to the Chargers

Name one they actually won besides that one SB run. Name one. Don't give me scores, name the damn games. Scores don't list chokes or the times the D didn't come through in the clutch.

 

[yseJ]

Stop right there. The Cover 2 is a prehistoric defense that teams stopped running years ago.

since you sound like you're an expert on the cover 2 defenses, how about you outline when the teams stopped running cover 2 defense ?

there were teams in the league this year that run the cover 2 even as their base. I bet you didnt know that

cover-3 seattle runs is heavily influenced by 'tampa 2' kiffin and dungy used to run. not only that, seattle does cover-2 plenty of times as well as cover-1 and cover-3

what is this ? denver broncos running a....cover 2 coverage ?

wait...what is this again ?

what about this one ?

The moment you start saying shyt like Peyton had a top 10 defense half of the years Dungy coached is the moment you lost this argument.

he is right- colts had top 10 defenses 4 out of 7 years under dungy. he didnt 'lose' anything

 

[Jplaya2023]

I'm not saying Peyton had great defensive teams at all. I'm not saying they even had good defensive teams, but let's be reality.

The Colts were not taking Ls because of their defense. That's the revisionist history.

Outsiders: Peyton Manning's playoff career is better than you think

Three plays to glory; three plays to ruin




No quarterback has been part of more close playoff losses than Manning, while no quarterback has been part of more close playoff wins than Brady.

Manning has lost a record six playoff games after leading in the fourth quarter, twice the number of Brady. Warren Moon (four) is the only other quarterback with more than three. Manning's teams had a lead in the final 40 seconds of four of those games. Five of the blown leads account for more than half of Manning's one-and-done seasons.

Some will say Brady's play in the clutch is the reason for this difference in close games. Manning blows games with costly turnovers, they will point out, such as the Tracy Porter pick-six in Super Bowl XLIV or the overtime interception against the 2012 Ravens.

I mention those two examples because they are the only two times Manning has turned the ball over in the playoffs in the fourth quarter or overtime with his team tied or down by eight points or fewer. Brady also has two interceptions in those situations -- both in 2006.

The difference is San Diego's Marlon McCree intercepted Brady on fourth down with the Chargers leading 21-13 with 6:16 left, but then fumbled the ball back to the Patriots, allowing Brady to tie the game and go on to win. The only other quarterback since 1994 to throw an interception in the fourth quarter and have it fumbled back to his team in a playoff game was Brett Favre. A week after that gift, Marlin Jackson intercepted Brady in the final minute to send Manning to his first Super Bowl.

Brady has nine game-winning drives in the playoffs, three more than the next-closest quarterback (John Elway). Manning had only his second on Sunday, and is 2-10 in game-winning drive opportunities, which is when the offense has the ball in the fourth quarter or overtime with his team tied or down eight points or fewer. Brady is 9-4 in those situations.

However, Brady's defense also did more to ensure the leads stood up. The Patriots are 11-3 at defending a one-score lead in the playoffs compared to a lousy 6-6 record for Manning's teams. Offenses can close games, too, but it is clear that Brady has not played as well as Manning with a one-score lead in the fourth quarter in his playoff career. His success rate (SR) is worse and he has thrown more interceptions. Even on Saturday against the Chiefs, his game-clinching first down to Julian Edelman was dangerously tipped by two players.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

The Colts were not taking Ls because of their defense. That's the revisionist history

If you can't blame the loss on the defense, sounds like D was doing its job....

And if the defense does its job within the context of the game, then there is no way you say that the D was anything less than solid

 

[Womb Raider]

Not at all.. You a Google nikka more than likely.... Pull the numbers up

Naw I'm a Colts fan that actually watched the games, nikka


I don't have to pull up the stats to know that the narrative you're trying to paint is wrong

since you sound like you're an expert on the cover 2 defenses, how about you outline when the teams stopped running cover 2 defense ?

there were teams in the league this year that run the cover 2 even as their base. I bet you didnt know that

cover-3 seattle runs is heavily influenced by 'tampa 2' kiffin and dungy used to run. not only that, seattle does cover-2 plenty of times as well as cover-1 and cover-3

what is this ? denver broncos running a....cover 2 coverage ?

wait...what is this again ?

what about this one ?

he is right- colts had top 10 defenses 4 out of 7 years under dungy. he didnt 'lose' anything

I meant Tampa 2

top 10 defenses according to what? yards? points? click the link and tell me what you're speaking of cuz it's not making sense

Indianapolis Colts Team Encyclopedia | Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[mastermind]

Last lost to NYJ where Indy took the lead at the end but defense / special teams instantly gave up a fg.

The Jets scored 17 points in that game.

The high powered, 4th ranked Colts offense scored 16

Name one they actually won besides that one SB run. Name one. Don't give me scores, name the damn games. Scores don't list chokes or the times the D didn't come through in the clutch.

I don't care about the clutch, I care about a team with a high powered offense that continuously scored under 20 in playoff games.

Football games are 60 minutes, not the final 2 minutes.

Outsiders: Peyton Manning's playoff career is better than you think

this is all bullshyt because the offense under performed massively

 

[yseJ]

I meant Tampa 2

tampa 2 is basically cover 2 with MILB dropping into deep coverage. know your fukking coverages before attempting to speak on them.

top 10 defenses according to what? yards? points? click the link and tell me what you're speaking of cuz it's not making sense

Indianapolis Colts Team Encyclopedia | Pro-Football-Reference.com

you blind breh ?

 

[Jplaya2023]

The Jets scored 17 points in that game.

The high powered, 4th ranked Colts offense scored 16


I don't care about the clutch, I care about a team with a high powered offense that continuously scored under 20 in playoff games.

Football games are 60 minutes, not the final 2 minutes.

this is all bullshyt because the offense under performed massively

how many teams maintain their regular season scoring averages in the playoffs? The panthers are so far though actually exceeding it. But typically teams score less in the playoffs

 

[mastermind]

how many teams maintain their regular season scoring averages in the playoffs? The panthers are so far though actually exceeding it. But typically teams score less in the playoffs

There is scoring less

And then massively scoring less like the Colts did. Stop saving his playoff legacy, he don't need it.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

The Jets scored 17 points in that game.

The high powered, 4th ranked Colts offense scored 16


I don't care about the clutch, I care about a team with a high powered offense that continuously scored under 20 in playoff games.

Football games are 60 minutes, not the final 2 minutes.

this is all bullshyt because the offense under performed massively

That Colts offense was pure shyt and dealt with injuries all year. That was the year Manning dragged them to the playoffs throwing balls to Blair White, Austin Collie and Jacob Tamme. Going against a defense that went on to also shut down New England.

Despite putting up only 16 points the offense put the team in the lead and only had to stop a Mark Sanchez offense from driving and did not do so.

Even if you want to say it is not on the defense because offense only put up 16 it still isn't on Manning entirely either like you stated earlier in the thread.

If anything of shows how inane it is to try and play the blame game and assign losses to parts of the team.

 

[Womb Raider]

tampa 2 is basically cover 2 with MILB dropping into deep coverage. know your fukking coverages before attempting to speak on them.


you blind breh ?

no shyt dikkhead


Nobody runs the Tampa 2 anymore and that's what got Lovie Smith's ass fired. Just because a team has a Cover 2 base, it doesn't mean they stick with it through the entire game. In fact, since it has became a passing league teams have been moving away from the Cover 2. There's been several articles in recent years detailing that trend. But of course some nikka that knows basic coverages is going to act like he knows more than others.


And I notice you still haven't answered my question.

 

[mastermind]

That Colts offense was pure shyt and dealt with injuries all year. That was the year Manning dragged them to the playoffs throwing balls to Blair White, Austin Collie and Jacob Tamme. Going against a defense that went on to also shut down New England.

Despite putting up only 16 points the offense put the team in the lead and only had to stop a Mark Sanchez offense from driving and did not do so.

Even if you want to say it is not on the defense because offense only put up 16 it still isn't on Manning entirely either like you stated earlier in the thread.

If anything of shows how inane it is to try and play the blame game and assign losses to parts of the team.

I'm not blaming Peyton entirely but we not gonna sit here and pretend the Colts were losing shootouts.

And we had in prime Colts teams that were not doing it in the postseason. It wasn't because of bad defense.

 

[yseJ]

Nobody runs the Tampa 2 anymore and that's what got Lovie Smith's ass fired. Just because a team has a Cover 2 base, it doesn't mean they stick with it through the entire game.

you said its a prehistoric defense, yet teams run it on the regular. and yeah, teams dont run it the whole game. the colts didnt run a tampa 2 whole game either.

But of course some nikka that knows basic coverages is going to act like he knows more than others.
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I know more coverages than you do, and its easy to notice by what you say because youre simply parroting shyt you saw or overheard. Im not denying cover-2 is going out of fashion, but the fact is it was 1) a force in the times we're talking about 2) still extremely effective with right personnel and good defensive coordinators, and employed by top notch defenses in the league today

And I notice you still haven't answered my question.

here, I took two minutes out of my time because your illterate ass couldnt read a site as simple as pro football reference

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

I'm not blaming Peyton entirely but we not gonna sit here and pretend the Colts were losing shootouts.

And we had in prime Colts teams that were not doing it in the postseason. It wasn't because of bad defense.

No one is arguing the Colts were losing shootouts. The Colts welcomed shootouts because that played into their hands. Nearly every team that tried to shoot it out got ran through.


Indys problem was in non shootouts where it needed the D to step up. Indys D could not be relied on to take over a game like Denvers D did today. Colts needed more balance for the inevitable days the offense wouldn't drop 30. Colts were on some flawed Manning goes nuts or we lose shyt. Does not work for any team regularly.

 

[Womb Raider]

you said its a prehistoric defense, yet teams run it on the regular. and yeah, teams dont run it the whole game. the colts didnt run a tampa 2 whole game either.

But of course some nikka that knows basic coverages is going to act like he knows more than others.
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I know more coverages than you do, and its easy to notice by what you say because youre simply parroting shyt you saw or overheard. Im not denying cover-2 is going out of fashion, but the fact is it was 1) a force in the times we're talking about 2) still extremely effective with right personnel and good defensive coordinators, and employed by top notch defenses in the league today



here, I took two minutes out of my time because your illterate ass couldnt read a site as simple as pro football reference

I meant Tampa 2, and yes, it is a prehistoric defense. And since you need the right personnel to run the Cover 2, you would notice that we didn't have the right personnel to actually run said defense. If we ever had to play from behind we were literally fukked.


And by the way, your dumbass still didn't answer my question. If both pts and yards are taken into account, you realize that only 2 of those years we had a top 10 defense right? 11th is not top 10. Also, in 2007 we lost in the playoffs due to giving up a long run on defense. In 2002 we lost to the Jets, 41-0.


You don't really know as much as you think you do, I would suggest you stop pretending.