India Strips Kashmir of its Special Status

[Prince.Skeletor]

Not sure how you want me to explain it so that you get the difference. I've spent enough time in both countries - it's not the same right now.

Imagine Trump with a fully compliant legislature and 80% approval instead of 40%.

It does not work that way, india has coalitions, so 70% BJP in polls does not mean 70% for BJP.

Also I speak with customers in india everyday.
Modi has high approval ratings because of electricity.
India was always having blackouts all day, Modi ended that. Now its electricity all day everyday.

You keep giving american comparisons, you cannot do that. Its completely & utterly different.

 

[Unknown Poster]

The pribability of a nuclear war happening while Trump is in office is too damn high.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It does not work that way, india has coalitions, so 70% BJP in polls does not mean 70% for BJP.

I'm not talking about 70% BJP in polls, I'm talking about literal 80+% approval ratings for Modi himself.

Also I speak with customers in india everyday.
Modi has high approval ratings because of electricity.
India was always having blackouts all day, Modi ended that. Now its electricity all day everyday.

That's such a fukking lie.

The last week I've been in India there must have been 15 blackouts at our place in 7 days. The longest one was four hours. Once we had four in one night. And that was in a state capital.

Modi has improved electrification just like every government does, but there are still lots of blackouts and electricity has literally NOTHING to do with Modi's popularity.

You're listening to people spreading fake news propaganda and using it as evidence that fake news propaganda isn't a problem.

You keep giving american comparisons, you cannot do that. Its completely & utterly different.

I'm the one who is pointing out that it's different.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

I'm not talking about 70% BJP in polls, I'm talking about literal 80+% approval ratings for Modi himself.




That's such a fukking lie.

The last week I've been in India there must have been 15 blackouts at our place in 7 days. The longest one was four hours. Once we had four in one night. And that was in a state capital.

Modi has improved electrification just like every government does, but there are still lots of blackouts and electricity has literally NOTHING to do with Modi's popularity.

You're listening to people spreading fake news propaganda and using it as evidence that fake news propaganda isn't a problem.




I'm the one who is pointing out that it's different.

Dude, ive been around the planet.
I stayed in punjab before & after Modi, in Hyderabad before & after Modi, madhya pradesh before & after modi.

And YES, there is a massive difference with electricity.
MASSIVE difference post modi. Massive.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Dude, ive been around the planet.
I stayed in punjab before & after Modi, in Hyderabad before & after Modi, madhya pradesh before & after modi.

And YES, there is a massive difference with electricity.
MASSIVE difference post modi. Massive.

Stop making up bullshyt. Post receipts. You tried to claim 24/7 electricity for everyone and I gave you a link that showed that's a total lie, and also showed that electricity progress under Modi has generally tracked similar to other prime ministers. And virtually no one says electricity is the reason behind his popularity - google "Why is modi so popular" and 90% of the results don't mention electricity once. If electricity was the reason he was popular then candidates would spend all their time campaigning on THAT during the elections instead of focusing on communal shyt.

And don't try to call India experience receipts on me, I've worked there long enough that I've been able to speak Hindi quasi-fluently since 2013. India's electricity networks have been getting consistently better for decades but they still have a long ways to go. You've already said enough in this little conversation to prove that either you have no clue what you're talking about or you're just another arm of the propaganda machine.

If Modi is really all about electricity and development, and not communalism and hatred, then tell me, why is Yogi Adityanath the chief minister of the biggest state in India right now and frequently mentioned as a leading candidate for Prime Minister in 2024?

He's a fukking Hindu Nationalist PRIEST who was most famous for instigating anti-Muslim riots and claiming that the BJP was losing it's focus on Hindu purity, and they made him the chief minister of the biggest state in India.

In January 2007, a young Hindu boy named Raj Kumar Agrahari was killed while he was caught in a Hindu-Muslim clash during the festival of Muharram. Following his death, chief minister Yogi Adityanath, who was then Gorakhpur MP, visited the site, flouting orders from the District Magistrate to not go there in order to avoid communal tensions. He then made a fiery speech urging the people gathered to ‘revenge’ the death of the Hindu boy. “Agar koi Hinduon ke gharon aur dukano mein aag lagata hain, toh main nahi manta ki aap sab in sab kirtiyon ko karne se rokta hain. (If someone put the homes and shops of Hindus on fire, then I do not believe that you should also be stopped from doing the same),” he had said.

Following his speech, he along with few of his followers were arrested by the local police and put behind bars on charges of disturbing peace. Though he was released after a fortnight, his arrest sparked unrest in the city and communal riots broke out. Several trains, buses, mosques and homes were burnt down. At least 10 people had lost their lives in the incident as well.

In 2005, according to a media report, Adityanath was involved in a 'purification drive' that involved the conversion of about 1,800 Christians to Hinduism in the town of Etah in UP. He said that he wouldn't stop until he turns Uttar Pradesh and India into a Hindu state.[54]

In January 2007, Adityanath with other BJP leaders had gathered to mourn the death of a man who was killed because of religious violence. He and his supporters were subsequently arrested by the police and lodged in Gorkhapur jail on the charges of disturbing peace and violating prohibitory orders. His arrest led to further unrest during which several coaches of the Mumbai bound Mumbai-Gorakhpur Godan Express were burnt, allegedly by protesting Hindu Yuva Vahini activists.[55][56][57] The day after the arrest, the District Magistrate and the local police chief were transferred and replaced.[58]

In 2011, the documentary film Saffron War – Radicalization of Hinduism accused Adityanath of promoting communal disharmony in Uttar Pradesh through hate speeches.[59][60][61]

Statements
In 2010, when opposing the Women's Reservation Bill, Adityanath said that reservation doesn't affect women's domestic responsibilities such as childcare. He added that if men develop feminine traits they become gods, but if women develop masculine traits they become demons.[37][62]

In an undated video that surfaced on YouTube during August 2014, Adityanath, reportedly during a public speech at Azamgarh, referring to the religious conversions due to inter-religious marriages, has said, "if they take one Hindu girl, we will take 100 Muslims girls." In the same video, he continues by saying, "if they kill one Hindu, there will be 100 that we" and pauses, as the gathered crowd shouts: "kill".[63][54][64]

In February 2015, while speaking at the Vishwa Hindu Parishad’s ‘Virat Hindu Sammelan’, Adityanath commented: "If given a chance, we will install statues of Goddess Gauri, Ganesh and Nandi " — Hindu deities — "in every mosque."[65][14][66][67]

In June 2015, Adityanath, while talking about Surya Namaskara, and Yoga said that those who want to avoid Yoga can leave Hindustan. He "requested" those who see communalism in the Sun God to drown themselves in the sea or live in a dark room for the rest of their lives.[68]

During the intolerance debate in the Indian media in late 2015, Adityanath commented that actor Shah Rukh Khan was using the same "language" as Pakistani terrorist Hafiz Saeed.[69][70]

Things changed again when the BJP gained office in 2017. While Muslims have remained the main target of Hindu vigilantes, as evident from the series of lynchings, their situation deteriorated also because policemen and vigilantes began to work together. The typical scenario involved provoking communal clashes, something the HYV excelled at, with the aim of destroying Muslim homes and small businesses. When the police intervened, it was more to apprehend the victims than the instigators of the violence.

And when the police arrested them, it often resorted to booking them under laws such as the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act and the National Security Act, which are intended for criminals posing a threat to state security and under which individuals can be held without charge for up to 12 months. In 2017, 160 Muslims were arrested under the NSA. A former police officer, S R Darapuri, noted: “For the first time in Indian history, this law is being misused so much. This is part of the BJP policy to rule through terror. They are using the police as their power arm to overawe the Dalits and minorities.”

Parallel to that, Yogi Adityanath launched Operation Clean, in the framework of which the police was encouraged to open fire on those suspected of a crime. In June 2017, the chief minister announced on television: “Agar apradh karenge, toh thok diye jayenge (If anyone engages in crime, they will be shot)”. Soon after, he informed the state assembly that 40 criminals had been killed in police shootouts. There were reportedly over 1,100 shootings of this kind between February 2017 and February 2018, a record.

While the targets were supposed to be hardcore criminals, victims of the shootouts were mainly Muslims, some of whom, according to their families, were killed in cold blood. Prashant Bhushan, after investigating the subject with support from the NGO, Citizens Against Hate, concluded that, “people are being murdered in an organised manner…” with complicity of high-level officials. The National Human Rights Commission launched an inquiry in 17 cases and found that “the police personnel in the state of Uttar Pradesh appears to be feeling free, misusing their powers in the light of an undeclared endorsement given by the higher-ups.”

The sense of impunity was reinforced by Yogi Adityanath’s decision to withdraw all the complaints that the state had filed against him and his associates since the 1990s. Cases involving Hindu nationalists implicated in the Muzaffarnagar riots (including 13 charges, out of a total of 131, for murder) were withdrawn.

Twitter takes down Yogi Adityanath's controversial green virus tweet



They make an anti-Muslim extremist priest one of the main faces of their party and you want to claim their popularity is built on electricity.

This is the 21st century equivalent of claiming that Hitler was popular because he made the trains run on time.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

Dude firstly I know India, & I also speak 40% good hindi & 25% punjabi.
I even stayed in villages.
Im a global man yo.

I am saying I have first hand experience of the change in electricity.
Omg you just compared modi to hitler?????

But you obviously dont understand indian politics.
You hate the BJP & you hate Tulsi Gabbard.
You are clearly biased & have hatred for hindus.
Your coli name is a muslim one too, what is your ethnicity?

 

[Json]

Funny you say that.
America does not have borders with terrorists but is engaged in wars across the globe.

India does border with terrorists & is never at war.

So.... in other words, its all good.
Secondly you mentioned funnels money to terrorists, ya America too.

I’m not sure how agreeing that two different countries that don’t have the same regional similarities refutes my point.

Criminals don’t just come from one type of situation. Rich, poor, and in-between.


America does bad stuff all around the globe. That doesn’t change the fact if factors change among the population of both India and Pakistan about nationalism the situation is dangerous.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

I’m not sure how agreeing that two different countries that don’t have the same regional similarities refutes my point.

Criminals don’t just come from one type of situation. Rich, poor, and in-between.


America does bad stuff all around the globe. That doesn’t change the fact if factors change among the population of both India and Pakistan about nationalism the situation is dangerous.

It doesnt refute but it shows borders dont dictate situations.

As far as nationalism, depends on age groups & if they are from the city or village, & family too.
Nationalism is not huge in India, but it is louder than the opposite.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Dude firstly I know India, & I also speak 40% good hindi & 25% punjabi.
I even stayed in villages.
Im a global man yo.

I am saying I have first hand experience of the change in electricity.
Omg you just compared modi to hitler?????

But you obviously dont understand indian politics.
You hate the BJP & you hate Tulsi Gabbard.
You are clearly biased & have hatred for hindus.
Your coli name is a muslim one too, what is your ethnicity?

You've made six comments in this discussion and still have failed to give a single receipt. Your only contributions have been the false claims that all India has 24/7 electricity and that electricity is behind Modi's popularity. When I proved those wrong with receipts, you jumped to a failed attempt to pull authority on the subject, when you got owned there you tried to make the false implication that I'm a Muslim.

You don't know what logical fallacies are, do you?

Here's your job:

1) Here are my receipts that India is nowhere near 24/7 electricity and Modi's government has made about the same work on this issue as previous governments. Bring your receipts proving 24/7 electricity or retract your claim: The curious case of electrification in India amid discom blackouts

2) Every article I've seen about Modi's popularity says nothing of electricity. Either post receipts showing that is the MAIN issue behind his popularity or retract your claim.

3) Modi picked a Hindu Supremicist priest, one who is known for literally nothing other than promoting Hindi Nationalism and anti-Muslim violence, to run the largest state in India. He is now a leading candidate for prime minister despite making calls for wiping out all Islam. WHY???? Explain how this could wver happen if Hindu supremacy isn't their agenda?



The dumbest shyt about this is that Hindu Supremacy has OPENLY been the BJP agenda since they were founded. It's the sole reason they were created, it's why they killed Gandhi, it's why they were banned three times in India's history. How can you deny this when it's literally their mission as a party?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It doesnt refute but it shows borders dont dictate situations.

As far as nationalism, depends on age groups & if they are from the city or village, & family too.
Nationalism is not huge in India, but it is louder than the opposite.

Nationalism isn't huge but people in movie theaters are forced to stand for the national anthem before every flick while militaristic images play across the screen.

College students have been arrested and expelled from school for rooting for Pakistan in cricket matches.

And Modi is the Prime Minister of the country and made Yogi Adityanath the Chief Minister of 200 million people in Uttar Pradesh.

"In 2005 Adityanath was involved in a 'purification drive' that involved the conversion of about 1,800 Christians to Hinduism in the town of Etah in UP. He said that he wouldn't stop until he turns Uttar Pradesh and India into a Hindu state."

"In February 2015, while speaking at the Vishwa Hindu Parishad’s ‘Virat Hindu Sammelan’, Adityanath commented: "If given a chance, we will install statues of Goddess Gauri, Ganesh and Nandi in every mosque."

"Adityanath, referring to the religious conversions due to inter-religious marriages, has said, "if they take one Hindu girl, we will take 100 Muslims girls." In the same video, he continues by saying, "if they kill one Hindu, there will be 100 that we" and pauses, as the gathered crowd shouts: "kill"."

"In June 2015, Adityanath said that those who want to avoid Yoga can leave Hindustan. He "requested" those who see communalism in the Sun God to drown themselves in the sea or live in a dark room for the rest of their lives."

"In January 2007, a young Hindu boy named Raj Kumar Agrahari was killed while he was caught in a Hindu-Muslim clash during the festival of Muharram. Following his death, chief minister Yogi Adityanath, who was then Gorakhpur MP, visited the site, flouting orders from the District Magistrate to not go there in order to avoid communal tensions. He then made a fiery speech urging the people gathered to ‘revenge’ the death of the Hindu boy. "If someone put the homes and shops of Hindus on fire, then I do not believe that you should also be stopped from doing the same,” he had said."

"Yogi Adityanath’s First step: Bans Muslims from Selling Meat: Yogi Adityanath, the new Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh (UP), India, who is known for his vitriolic anti-Muslim language, has started in his first week in office with a crackdown on ‘illegal meat slaughterhouses’. On March 22, an order was issued by the state government to all district magistrates, divisional commissioners, senior police officers, and Municipal Corporation for the inspection of slaughterhouses; this was exactly three days after Yogi Adityanath took oath as the chief minister."

"The Yogi Adityanath government in Uttar Pradesh on Tuesday ordered madrasas in the state to reduce holidays around Muslim festivals while making it compulsory for them to stay shut on festivals of other faiths."

"The Yogi Adityanath government has made Yoga compulsory in all Uttar Pradesh government schools from class 9."

"The Yogi Adityanath government has issued an order that Independence Day celebrations at madrassas across Uttar Pradesh will be videographed."

"Baldev Aulakh, the minister of state for minority welfare, even warned of action against madrassas which do not follow the order. "We have asked for videography of all programmes. We can check at random as to which madrassa has celebrated it or not. If any madrassa does not celebrate it, action will be taken against it. Unlike the previous governments, which indulged in politics of appeasement, we are a government with a nationalist bent of mind."

And he was saying that the Hadiya case proves that Muslims are engaging in "Love Jihad". This shyt was terrible. A 24-year-old girl from an atheist Hindu family chose to convert to Islam in order to marry a Muslim guy (who happened to be a socialist student activist), and the fukking Kerala High Court annuled the marriage just because she was from a Hindu family and sent her to a Hindu monastery to be tortured by the monks for a year in an attempt to force her to renounce Islam.

Hmmm...one adult woman converts to Islam by her own free will, her father, the courts and a Hindu monastery do everything possible including imprisonment and torture to force her to become a Hindu, and this somehow proves that Muslims are the ones engaging in forced conversions?



THAT is the chief minster for the largest state in India and a leading candidate for prime minister of India in 2024. Modi put him there. WHY?

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Opinion | Imran Khan: The World Can’t Ignore Kashmir. We Are All in Danger.

Anyone else catch this?



Scary

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@BrownSkin Intellect ghosted the hell out of this thread when I asked for receipts

Checked his post history and there's a lot of caping for India and even some straight BJP/Hindu Nationalist propaganda in there too.

 

[88m3]

India excludes nearly 2 million people from Assam citizen list


They're saying they're going to do this in the entire country next

@Rhakim

 

[Professor Emeritus]

India excludes nearly 2 million people from Assam citizen list


They're saying they're going to do this in the entire country next

@Rhakim

I was reading this other article you posted - they just created ad hoc "courts" out of nowhere with a single judge who has the deciding vote on all citizenship cases that appear before him...and he doesn't even have to be a judge, he can just be a "lawyer in good standing for at least seven years."

In a country with poor-ass documentation, they're deciding people's entire lives based on what ONE fukking guy who ain't even a judge decides on their case. And they have to prove their family was in the country before 1971 when most rural folk were born at home and never even got proper documentation back in those days.

"Mijanur Rahman, a 47-year-old farmer, found himself, his 21-year-old son, and two of his daughters aged 16 and 14 included in the list. However, his wife and his other three daughters - all under the age of 10 - were excluded."

How fukking stupid is that? If the dad and three of their siblings are on the list then how the fukk are the other two not on the list?

"Mohammad Sanaullah, a decorated army veteran, spent 11 days in a detention camp earlier this year after he was excluded from the draft list. His name was not on Saturday's list either.

"My name and son and daughters are not there in the list. It's definitely painful but I have to be patient enough and wait for the order of the court. I have the faith on the judicial system of our country," he told Al Jazeera."

The Hindu nationalist-led government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, which fully backs the citizenship project in Assam, has often promised to roll out a similar plan nationwide.

But Himanta Biswa, a minister from Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), criticised the process, saying "so many genuine Indians" had been left off the NRC.

"We have lost hope in the present form of the NRC," Sarma told reporters, saying that the party was already mulling a "fresh strategy on how we can drive out the illegal migrants".

The BJP governs Assam and critics say the NRC process reflects the BJP's goal to serve only people of the Hindu faith.

In January, India's lower house passed legislation that grants citizenship to people who moved to India from Bangladesh, Pakistan and Afghanistan as recently as six years ago - as long as they are not Muslims.

Critics say the BJP was planning to pass new legislation to help Hindus who have been excluded from the NRC get Indian citizenship.

Minister of Home Affairs Amit Shah, Modi's right-hand-man, has called for the ejection of "termites" and said before the BJP's thumping re-election victory in May that it would "run a countrywide campaign to send back the infiltrators".

Samujjal Bhattacharya from the All Assam Students' Union, a key driver of the NRC, said the register was necessary to protect Assam's indigenous "sons of the soil".

"We are not ready to live here like second-class citizens in our own motherland," he said.

It's like they were fukking reading Mein Kampf for inspiration. Oh wait, that's because they are. It's the 11th-best selling book in India right now, driven by BJP followers.

No, no fascism, look away, nothing to see here.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

@BrownSkin Intellect ghosted the hell out of this thread when I asked for receipts

Checked his post history and there's a lot of caping for India and even some straight BJP/Hindu Nationalist propaganda in there too.

What propaganda? Show me.
And i did not ghost, im travelling now.
In chicago & aurora almost all week.
Also dude, when you reply your posts has toooo muchhh content.
Read posts that didnt get a reply, probably it will be your long posts.
Its too much, aint nobody gonna read that.
You gotta be more concise.