in the early 90's if you weren't street/thug/calling women bytches, you weren't popping -Kid N Play

[mobbinfms]

Wearing flannels with blue and red rags was a style on the East in the early 90s?



I so my bad I never knew that!

Edit:

I'll find that video. It's a female rapping rolling in a 64 or a 63.

That screen grab alone convinces me that you're right :prodigylol:
My bad I didn't really remember the video like that.
But I remember Brand Nubian and Gangstarr with Flannel in the videos. Not like that though with the matching rags.

 

[Art Barr]

man.. its easier to just let dude wallow in his own ignorance..

all hes gonna keep doing is moving the goal posts, and saying yall are mad.. shyt is corny, and played out at this point..

lil dude wasnt around.. no need in even having a convo, with someone who wasnt there like that..

Bboys need to qualify who they are speaking to.
Then realize someone who is not cultural will have dissonnect and lash out.
As they do not understand just because they were marketed rap.
They do not realize being marketed rap.
does not make you a part of actual hiphop culture.
It just makes you a consumer of rap.
It is just like reggae.
In the nineties were were marketed reggae.
Yet we can not say we listened to shabba ranks go pop and say we are ras.


The problem with the American market is.
The consumer in the american market, has been duped.
to think they can misappropiate every culture and you can not.


Art Barr

 

[hustlemania]

Wearing flannels with blue and red rags was a style on the East in the early 90s?



I so my bad I never knew that!

Edit:

I'll find that video. It's a female rapping rolling in a 64 or a 63.

i wanna say you're talking about either Paula Perry, or Nikki D..

 

[Art Barr]

I was waiting for u to finally chime in bro.

The problem with rap sellouts is they never say they sold out.
Simply because they were flawed culturally from jump.
That sooner or later,.....
their lack of cultural connection will rear it's ugly head and expose them regardless of region.

You can see from any region.
If an artist is culturally connected hard hard core.
or if they will falter by their music direction.

Kid n play suffered because they existed in that commercial space.
herby had from salt n pepa's roxanne war carryover diss to dougie and slick from the show.
Which is why when kid n play were going pop.
They never pulled back the reins when they should have in a new school way of thought context.
as herby was a ol school carryover and also was not that connected to new school way of thought ideals.
which were completely cultural and did away with the disco based commercialism of the mca way, and dj Hollywood jiggy meets disco rnb.
which would become chicago to ny to london and overseas based house movements.


Art Barr

 

[mobbinfms]

i wanna say you're talking about either Paula Perry, or Nikki D..

Could be Boss. She's not from the East Coast though...and I don't remember whether she had a video with a lowrider.

 

[BlackDroog]

Excuse. If anything...Rap was way more diverse back then. From a content standpoint and from a musical standpoint. They just wren't able to evolve or mature their look or sound before their run was over. The funny thing is that Play was a real life gangsta before rap but didn't rap about it.

 

[spliz]

the entire aesthetic of DWTK video.. was basically ONYX..

was that the same park Warriors was filmed at..?

I don't believe so. The Warriors was filmed in Riverside Park.

 

[spliz]

The problem with rap sellouts is they never say they sold out.
Simply because they were flawed culturally from jump.
That sooner or later,.....
their lack of cultural connection will rear it's ugly head and expose them regardless of region.

You can see from any region.
If an artist is culturally connected hard hard core.
or if they will falter by their music direction.

Kid n play suffered because they existed in that commercial space hurry had from salt n pepa's roxanne war carryover diss to dougie and slick from the show.
Which is why when kid n play were going pop.
They never pulled back the reins when they should have in a new school way of thought context.
as herby was a ol school carryover and also was not that connected to new school way of thought ideals which were completely cultural and did away with the disco based commercialism of the mca way, and dj Hollywood jiggy meets disco rnb which would become chicago to ny to london and overseas based house movements.


Art Barr

Been tryna tell the doofus threadstarter that Kid n Play was just making excuses this whole thread. Lol

 

[Larry Lambo]

Excuse. If anything...Rap was way more diverse back then. From a content standpoint and from a musical standpoint. They just wren't able to evolve or mature their look or sound before their run was over. The funny thing is that Play was a real life gangsta before rap but didn't rap about it.

Blade Brown was based on reality??? Never knew that but it makes sense.

 

[Rekkapryde]

THe premise of this thread is bad because the principal, kid n play in the discussion were perennial sellouts of the highest order.

As kid n play are using an excuse base to gain sympathy.
to deflect from how sell out and commercial they were.
instead of sticking to their guns making cultural based rap music.
Instead they settled for big budget over produced rap that did not resonate.
Plus coupled with their movie permeation and commercial turn of direction music is why they failed.
It just so happened at the time radio and bds were changing and their more culturally minded contemporaries like heavy d. As first heavy was a ol school way of thought carryover new school way of thought artist. Who could still make ol school way of thought based records like ll cool j who also was also carryover from the new school way of thought.
As heav's mca way ol school new school carryover based artistry and directions.
Pioneered daytime radioplay for rap, almost singlehadidly. Before the full change of radio in april 1993.
Heav in this same instance was an mca based artist and also had pop inclusion and emotional sway from the loss of trouble t Roy.
to act as a buffer for their mca way based commercial outlet music. Plus, mca already had sway wit any anynd everyone because they were mca.
This emotional model to sway the public at mca was also used by puff.
to gain the same wanna be bullet proof sentiment for nwo after big death.
Which resulted in the protection mechanisms being killed off of the skills generation culturally for hiphop and in the business of rap.

Not every group was ruined by gangsta rap and using an unsung gateway show aired on a Viacom network.
Is always never going to tell the full story.
As even their bdk special was missing ain't no half stepping.

So, you can not use unsung as the basis of your knowledge factually in a cultural context to find what you missed in hiphop history.

Plus, kid n play were not ol school to new school carry over groups.
That could not produce the same pass system base semantics of ol school to new school carryover legacy like defjam's ll or mca's heav.
Kid n play tried to play like they were ol school carry over legacy groups and were distinct new school way acts.
That came after salt n pepa's carryover legacy time line from the impact of the Roxanne wars and rhe battle of the sexes. Which also almost ruined rap from no protection mechanisms and why the new school hardcore bboy movement stepped in.
to culturally ground the rap business in premise going into what would be and out of the Golden age to this mid nineties timeline of discussion.


Art Barr


Hope this helps out cause I have posted in depth about kid n play for two decades in this community and how they fell off to their best records that sampled last night.

Lots of truth here.

KnP ate well from the late 80s to the same EARLY 90s so they are lying. 92 was roughly the end though for them though.

 

[kt773]

will was running on fumes by the time summertime dropped, that had urban radio on lock. The next album with jeff was garbage/forgettable and he was focusing more on acting. When he dropped MIIB, big willie style, and wild Wild West...all that got play on urban radio. You're making yourself look stupid by quoting a biased view from the artists when reality says different.

Bro....my mama loved that wild Wild West song and soundtrack ....I hate when cats refuse to be wrong

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Source was started in 88/89 I think?
And do you think that the Chronic and Doggystyle and All Eyez on Me were modified to appease a white audience?

The whole culture was modified, especially after 1992, to cater to the main consumers
of sex, money, murder, drugs Hip Hop, which were young white males.

That's why Kid N Play, Whodini, Run-DMC, MC Shan, PE, X-Clan, Superlover Cee and Casanova Rudd, UTFO
and so many who came from a different mentality and mindset, could not thrive, or for some, even survive.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

here is KOOL MOE DEE pretty much echoing what happened to hip hop from the late 80's to early 90's (TIME STAMPED)...



countdown before another coli poster says that kool moe dee doesn't know what he's talking about

Because Moe Dee is a pioneer from the outset. He knows what he speaks from.

It is difficult to analyze the totality of the cultural swings and shifts if you're not of Kid's, or Moe Dee's, or Chuck D's generation
or credibility.

 

[BlackDroog]

Blade Brown was based on reality??? Never knew that but it makes sense.

Basically...He told this wild story on a documentary about how he almost blew somebody's head off in a robbery but the shotgun didn't fire for some reason. He turned his life around shortly after.

 

[mobbinfms]

The whole culture was modified, especially after 1992, to cater to the main consumers
of sex, money, murder, drugs Hip Hop, which were young white males.

Modified by who? And how?