In Defense of Black Republicans

[MeachTheMonster]

im getting tired of your scared negro schtick

What are you talking about? Please tell me how 7% of anybody can force change in anything. You have all these great ideas but they make no sense whatsoever. All you want to do is call people scared negros and slaves, but when it comes time to actualy explain your position and how it could be beneficial you have no answer.

 

[88m3]

What are you talking about? Please tell me how 7% of anybody can force change in anything. You have all these great ideas but they make no sense whatsoever. All you want to do is call people scared negros and slaves, but when it comes time to actualy explain your position and how it could be beneficial you have no answer.

What else is new.

 

[NZA]

well again, this is why i brought up biden, more than any other politician alive, biden is the most responsible for the prison industrial complex, do you consider him to have racist policies or not?



yes you described how you plan to outpace the "cacs", presumably with hispanics and asians to create a "progressive" majority

i personally will not co-sign that, thats all



yeah and there is nothing wrong with that, but there are other ways of looking at the issue of black politics that doesnt include joining with progressives or a revolution

specifically what policy? drug law or the violent crime act?

i also described how you fight cacs with progressive policy, which over time has forced them to the left on many issues. you are cherry picking what you want, for some reason. a basic reading of american history will show you that people fight, die, get locked up, and beat up opposing conservatives and making things change. even if you are not "impressed" with progressives, you surely know that every social improvement that you benefit from comes from them in some capacity, never conservatives. i cant believe we even have to go over this.

as of yet i have not seen any concrete explanation of any alternatives, just rhetoric of a general discontent with the way things are going.

 

[theworldismine13]

specifically what policy? drug law or the violent crime act?

biden has been the head of the judiciary committee since the 80's, every single piece of drug law and/or crime law passed for the past 30 years has his fingerprints if not actually authored by him, it as accurate to describe biden as the architect of the prison industrial complex

so does biden promote racist policies or not?

i also described how you fight cacs with progressive policy, which over time has forced them to the left on many issues. you are cherry picking what you want, for some reason. a basic reading of american history will show you that people fight, die, get locked up, and beat up opposing conservatives and making things change. even if you are not "impressed" with progressives, you surely know that every social improvement that you benefit from comes from them in some capacity, never conservatives. i cant believe we even have to go over this.

yeah i am cherry picking and the issues i do like i consider them to be simply political transactions

are you trying to say that i owe "progressives" something?

as of yet i have not seen any concrete explanation of any alternatives, just rhetoric of a general discontent with the way things are going.

the point of the the article is that there are alternatives simply by applying the concept of intellectual freedom, including joining the republican party

im not promoting one particular way, except to say that the overall goal should be to increase black economic and political power, and it shouldnt be necessarily ending racism

i wasnt trying to promote any particular method

 

[theworldismine13]

What are you talking about? Please tell me how 7% of anybody can force change in anything. You have all these great ideas but they make no sense whatsoever. All you want to do is call people scared negros and slaves, but when it comes time to actualy explain your position and how it could be beneficial you have no answer.

its pretty simple, first black people make up 12 percent of the vote, plenty of states were won or lost by razor thin margins, so a split in the black vote would have a huge impact

 

[NZA]

biden has been the head of the judiciary committee since the 80's, every single piece of drug law and/or crime law passed for the past 30 years has his fingerprints if not actually authored by him, it as accurate to describe biden as the architect of the prison industrial complex

so does biden promote racist policies or not?




yeah i am cherry picking and the issues i do like i consider them to be simply political transactions

are you trying to say that i owe "progressives" something?



the point of the the article is that there are alternatives simply by applying the concept of intellectual freedom, including joining the republican party

im not promoting one particular way, except to say that the overall goal should be to increase black economic and political power, and it shouldnt be necessarily ending racism

i wasnt trying to promote any particular method

i dont have any context to describe the motivation for his advocacy of the crime bill to be racist (in fact it strengthens hate crime punishment) but the end result, is definitely executed in a racially disparate way by police and courts all across the country. in this case, if progress within american politics is not moving at the pace one likes, i bring back the concept of revolution...

im not talking about you cherry picking issues you like, i mean you cherry pick what i say. i never said that waiting for cacs was the only way, but you only frame the argument as such when i have said so much more, that is by definition, cherry picking. and no, you dont owe progressives anything (and by progrssive, i include black civil rights advocates that worked within the system such as MLK). i am just stating facts about politices and results of history to illustrate my points that these changes did not merely happen, they came from the progressive activity in this country.

i am saying that intellectual freedom is fine, but that is not the reason why most non-whites dont vote for conservatives. and i guess i will say it one more time, this is not about ending racism, it is about racial equity. "states rights, property laws that strengthen segregation, and several other tea party type goals are not popular with minorities. i also am not promoting one method, i am merely explaining why things are the way they are, and how it has nothing to do with intellectual freedom.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

its pretty simple, first black people make up 12 percent of the vote, plenty of states were won or lost by razor thin margins, so a split in the black vote would have a huge impact

You're still not making sense. Splitting the vote up is never a good idea for anybody. Florida and Ohio were won by thin margins, republicans got NONE of the black/Latino vote which is why they lost those states and also why they are now changing their tune to be more friendly to minorities. If half of our vote would have gone to republicans, they would have won and they would have no need to change their policies to attract us. If both parties know they are only getting half of us, then there would be no need to pander to any of us because 6% can't change anything. Until recently neither party gave a shyt about black folks cause they thought we couldn't/wouldn't make an impact politically. They thought we wouldn't vote, they thought we couldn't organize and make a change. Democrats are winning right now because they figured out first that we can make a change. Our best bet is to throw all our weight behind/with others that have our best interests in mind. Joining a party won't change them. Why should they change they already have your vote? Forcing a party to pander to your needs will.

 

[theworldismine13]

i dont have any context to describe the motivation for his advocacy of the crime bill to be racist (in fact it strengthens hate crime punishment) but the end result, is definitely executed in a racially disparate way by police and courts all across the country. in this case, if progress within american politics is not moving at the pace one likes, i bring back the concept of revolution...

you sound like michael steele

im not talking about you cherry picking issues you like, i mean you cherry pick what i say. i never said that waiting for cacs was the only way, but you only frame the argument as such when i have said so much more, that is by definition, cherry picking. and no, you dont owe progressives anything (and by progrssive, i include black civil rights advocates that worked within the system such as MLK). i am just stating facts about politices and results of history to illustrate my points that these changes did not merely happen, they came from the progressive activity in this country.

i am saying that intellectual freedom is fine, but that is not the reason why most non-whites dont vote for conservatives. and i guess i will say it one more time, this is not about ending racism, it is about racial equity. "states rights, property laws that strengthen segregation, and several other tea party type goals are not popular with minorities. i also am not promoting one method, i am merely explaining why things are the way they are, and how it has nothing to do with intellectual freedom.

whatever it is you are saying is fine, im sure it is completely rational, but there are other completely rational alternatives to your formulation

i definitely do not co-sign the "progressive agenda" or conflate it with the "black agenda" especially your little master plan of outpacing the cacs with hispanics, asians and good white folk

the "black agenda" is should just be about increasing the political and economic power of black people, period

 

[NZA]

you sound like michael steele



whatever it is you are saying is fine, im sure it is completely rational, but there are other completely rational alternatives to your formulation

i definitely do not co-sign the "progressive agenda" or conflate it with the "black agenda" especially your little master plan of outpacing the cacs with hispanics, asians and good white folk

the "black agenda" is should just be about increasing the political and economic power of black people, period

wow, breh. you are just saying anything at this point.

 

[CACtain Planet]

You're still not making sense. Splitting the vote up is never a good idea for anybody. Florida and Ohio were won by thin margins, republicans got NONE of the black/Latino vote which is why they lost those states and also why they are now changing their tune to be more friendly to minorities. If half of our vote would have gone to republicans, they would have won and they would have no need to change their policies to attract us. If both parties know they are only getting half of us, then there would be no need to pander to any of us because 6% can't change anything. Until recently neither party gave a shyt about black folks cause they thought we couldn't/wouldn't make an impact politically. They thought we wouldn't vote, they thought we couldn't organize and make a change. Democrats are winning right now because they figured out first that we can make a change. Our best bet is to throw all our weight behind/with others that have our best interests in mind. Joining a party won't change them. Why should they change they already have your vote? Forcing a party to pander to your needs will.

So let me guess, you now think Democrats give a shyt about black folk because of Obama? Ive seen democrats craft specific policies for latinos, Ive seen democrats craft specific policies for gays, ive seen democrats craft specific policies for the rich (bank bailouts), but tell me friend, what specific policies have democrats crafted for black people the last 30 years? The war on drugs? Subprime mortgage lending? WIC?

 

[theworldismine13]

You're still not making sense. Splitting the vote up is never a good idea for anybody. Florida and Ohio were won by thin margins, republicans got NONE of the black/Latino vote which is why they lost those states and also why they are now changing their tune to be more friendly to minorities. If half of our vote would have gone to republicans, they would have won and they would have no need to change their policies to attract us. If both parties know they are only getting half of us, then there would be no need to pander to any of us because 6% can't change anything. Until recently neither party gave a shyt about black folks cause they thought we couldn't/wouldn't make an impact politically. They thought we wouldn't vote, they thought we couldn't organize and make a change. Democrats are winning right now because they figured out first that we can make a change. Our best bet is to throw all our weight behind/with others that have our best interests in mind. Joining a party won't change them. Why should they change they already have your vote? Forcing a party to pander to your needs will.

well you can do whatever the hell you want, and whatever you think is in your interest but you asked me a question and i answered it

i dont co-sign the democratic party or their agenda as a means to increase the political and economic power of black people

 

[theworldismine13]

wow, breh. you are just saying anything at this point.

hmm im saying the same thing i was saying since the beginning of the thread

im still cracking up over your answer about biden, that was a great political response

 

[theworldismine13]

So let me guess, you now think Democrats give a shyt about black folk because of Obama? Ive seen democrats craft specific policies for latinos, Ive seen democrats craft specific policies for gays, ive seen democrats craft specific policies for the rich (bank bailouts), but tell me friend, what specific policies have democrats crafted for black people the last 30 years? The war on drugs? Subprime mortgage lending? WIC?

oh oh oh i know what they have done for black people, affirmative action!!!

 

[NZA]

hmm im saying the same thing i was saying since the beginning of the thread

im still cracking up over your answer about biden, that was a great political response

i dont advocate good white folks, and i have little info on biden's racial beliefs. i believe in legalization of all drugs (crack, heroin, whatever), which places me at odds with both he and his boss obama. i still voted for his boss because i felt the alternative ticket was worse, and i am not a revolutionary so i vote instead of going outside of politices. i also see medical pot legalizations occuring all over the country, including in my own state, so i know we are making progress on this and are, as usual, ahead of politicians on issues by a certain number of years. the only right wing alternative to obama i could have chosen was ron paul, and i didnt agree with the rest of his platform, and quite frankly he couldnt win one state in his own primary.

 

[theworldismine13]

i dont advocate good white folks, and i have little info on biden's racial beliefs. i believe in legalization of all drugs (crack, heroin, whatever), which places me at odds with both he and his boss obama. i still voted for his boss because i felt the alternative ticket was worse, and i am not a revolutionary so i vote instead of going outside of politices. i also see medical pot legalizations occuring all over the country, including in my own state, so i know we are making progress on this and are, as usual, ahead of politicians on issues by a certain number of years. the only right wing alternative to obama i could have chosen was ron paul, and i didnt agree with the rest of his platform, and quite frankly he couldnt win one state in his own primary.

ok, thanks for sharing