In Defense of Black Republicans
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I don't think the prison industrial complex is the priority, I don't even really co sign the theory, I think what fundemantally going on is the anti academic culture in the black community is causing people to voluntarily participate in the prison industrial complex
I think our priority is improving our culture
I brought up the prison industrial as a devils advocate, there is no question that Biden is the architect of the prison industrial complex, and back in the day called obama the first articulate black candidate, how is biden not a "cac"??? yet people will support him as supposedlt good white folk or the lesser of 2 evils, which is fine, but I disagree with analyzing things in terms of lesser evils for the aforementioned reasons
Obama made the right move by appointing Biden and making peace with the clintons despite their history of racism and questionable policies, it wasnt a matter of lesser of 2 evils, it was part of a raw power move that made him president
Using the lesser of 2 evils theory is simply one way of analyzing and strategizing, there are other ways of strategizing that includes making deals with racist whites to increase your raw political power, and that is just as legit
And the other side of it is simply a matter of intellectual freedom
So overall I don't see any reason to go with this lesser of 2 evils or the good white folk strategy as I call it, I think it's outdated
NZA
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i dont get your critique, on the one hand you seem critical of black people's ability to overlook biden's racial gaffs and controversial policies, then you seem to promote brokering deals with other people who will also make similar racial gaffs or offend blacks on purpose, and promote similarly controversial policies or weild power against blacks on purpose. the only distinction between the two, in the way you frame it, is party affiliation.
logically this seems to be lesser of two evils or even greater of two evils, but you are banking on the ability to broker supposedly pro-black deals with the more strident racists. this is, quite frankly, bizarre. can you explain a potential scenario in which black people voting with former confederates can be a pro black power move?
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I reject the notion that black people cannot be republicans without betraying their race. Conservatism is an ideological and economic viewpoint, and as such is not regulated to one race and not another. There are people who believe government should be small, taxes should be low, etc...those are color specific views. I'm not a republican or conservative but must say as a brotha I'm disgusted by those who want to put black people in a box and basically accuse them of thoughtcrime if they're on the republican side.
Here's what I don't like about black republicans though, at least on the national level. There seems to be two types. One type are simply republicans and seem to focus more on advancing their conservative beliefs than commentating on "black" issues; JC Watts and Clarence Thomas come to mind. I'm fine with that shyt; I may disagree with them nikkas but that's as far as it goes. The other type are extremist republicans who realize there's a market on the far right for blacks who can make ignorant, disgusting comments about other black people without fear of being called racist. Hermain Cain and Alan Keyes come to mind. Both take massive shyts on black people as tea party cacs get a hard on. It's disgusting.
Here's what I don't like about black republicans though, at least on the national level. There seems to be two types. One type are simply republicans and seem to focus more on advancing their conservative beliefs than commentating on "black" issues; JC Watts and Clarence Thomas come to mind. I'm fine with that shyt; I may disagree with them nikkas but that's as far as it goes. The other type are extremist republicans who realize there's a market on the far right for blacks who can make ignorant, disgusting comments about other black people without fear of being called racist. Hermain Cain and Alan Keyes come to mind. Both take massive shyts on black people as tea party cacs get a hard on. It's disgusting.
Well the reason you are confused is that your premise is that we are discussing policies, but I'm not really discussing policies, I think actual policies fall under intellectual freedom, and I think 2 people can take different policy positions and both call themselves "pro black"
I'm defining "pro black" as increasing the economic and political power of black people, I'm not defining it as a specific set of policies becuase actual policies fall under the auspices of intellectual freedom
Like I said I brought up the prison industrial complex as a devils advocate, I don't really believe in framing the issue that way, but I know a lot of people do and I also know that Biden is the architect of this PIC and I know a lot of people around here love them some biden
People had a heart attack when I admitted that under what I am saying black people would make political deals with racist whites just for the sake of raw political or economic power so I brought up Biden to explain how actually we have done that already
In other words obama getting down with Biden and the Clinton's isn't much different than Tim Scott getting down with sc conservatives, it's a raw political transaction, not only do I approve of it but I'm asserting that that is the real future and the lesser of 2 evils strategy aka "dem some good white folk over there" is outdated
What kind of racist shyt is this mutha fukka.
Racist shyt? :belbetray: Tell me puppet, what is the black agenda and what have the democrats done the last 30 years to further that agenda?
NZA
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what i am saying is that the platforms themselves are partially race based, and the republican party is the party of confederates, among some other interests. that part of their agenda is utterly anti black and accounts for much of their southern vote. until that part evolves, all black political appointments are a moot point.
and policies matter. how one arrives at a policy is intellectual freedom, but there can be objective facts known about the results of various policies, and within those objective facts' impact on black people, we can make value judgements on their usefulness to black people.
what i am saying is that the preponderance of all minority votes (black, jew, latino, asian, gay, native american, etc.) understand the same game you are talking about, and have made the judgement that the time has not come for abandoning voting bloc politics yet. they see the confederacy is only weakened nationally, but nowhere near dead yet, and have to concentrate their power in this way.
Yeah of course policies can have an impact on black folk and I think public housing and welfare have had a negative impact and I have a problem with democrats being anti charter and and anti voucher and I have a problem with their immigration policies, and as i pointed out, for those that believe in it, biden and clinton are the architects of the prison industrial complex, so IMO there is still plenty of room to be pro black and be conservative/libertarian
The fact that the Republican Party is more outright racist is simply a data point amongst many data points, you treat it as the end all and be all which is why I refer to your strategy as the "dem good white folk over there" strategy
IMO our primary goal is not to fight racism our goal is increase our economic and political power which IMO are different things
NZA
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it appears you and i view racism differently. im not worried about how people feel, i am worried strictly about policy, and i see racist policy as one of the cornerstones of the current republican agenda. which is why i reiterate that "good white folks" is kinda shooting in the wrong direction. this all stems from policy difference, not preference for good white folks. it never has been that in all the years black people have had the right to vote. civil rights groups have always had a tense relationship with politicians, and have done what they can to manipulate the politicians that were susceptible to that. in the past it was republicans, today democrats and increasingly it involves latinos, asians, jews, gays, etc.
to reiterate, using democrats does not mean that one thinks some whites are more "good" than the other. it means that some white voting blocs have some other priority besides white supremacy at the top of their concerns (white ethnics and unions for instance) and so black people can get things done with them. same with the growing latino vote and it appears the asian vote is now growing at an even faster rate. white supremacy is obviously not very popular with them, so we are more likely to get things done with them. our tendency to vote the same way as them is not also a "good asian folks" strategy, it is just the fact that we dont hold many interests that are in conflict, so it makes sense.
You don't have to explain all that, I understand that and i still think its accurate to describe it as a reactionary, defensive political strategy and as a "dem good white folk" type of thinking, I still take issue with a lot of democratic policy positions, and I still see racism in the republican party as simply a data point
So yeah we see things differently
NZA
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by definition, progressive politics are not reactionary.
we aren't talking about progressive politics we are talking about black politics, you just explained in detail that your embrace of progressive politics is in reaction to and in defense of racism in the republican party, so you made the case for a reactionary defensive strategy, not me
I'm not even saying its wrong, I'm just making it clear that there are other ways of looking at the situation besides simply reacting to racism
NZA
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im telling you that politically, progressive politics are not reactionary. it is not defense, it is offense. conservative politics are defensive and reactionary.
and i am not arguing the veracity of them, just that the definition as reactionary is actually wrong.