I'm 6 episodes into Hannibal, does it get better?

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You stated yourself that you are well versed in the Hannibal universe, so knowing the showing was primarily based on that material, just what exactly was your expectations going in? And reading through the Hannibal thread I'm not quite sure where the show was misrepresented in any way or form. If you don't think this show is up there with Game of Thrones, Fargo, True Detective and the likes then its hard for me to take your opinions seriously. The only legit gripe I have even heard you state was the "killer of the week" shyt from season 1, in which most people agree with and most people would say Season 2 is a lot better than Season 1 because of that. But the killer of the week shyt was pretty much deaded in Season 1, and Season 2 is where the show really takes off and it ends with one hell of a finale so after finishing Season 2 just what are your gripes with the show going forward?
Just read the responses in this thread.



"Youre not paying attention to the details!!!"
"Youve never seen anything like this on tv!!!!!"
"Best show currently on!!!"
"Everything is connected!!!!"


Etc


Season 1 was weak and most people can agree to that. So how is it the best show on tv when only 1 out of 2 seasons is good. True detective, got etc those shows first seasons take a giant shyt on hannibals 1st season.


If someone reads through the responses to my original post then watches the show going in cold theyre going to be dissapointed just like I am.


People seem more gassed up off the season 2 finale and are glossing over how dull the show is at times. I've already stated more than the killer of the week gripe. The show lacks any suspense because these characters are over done at this point. Its got one main arcing plot that moves at a walking dead on the farm pace with random killers thrown in to fill in time. A slow paced plot can be forgiven for other shows but this show has almost non existant character development to fall back on. Wills literaly the only character on the show whos interesting. Jack crawford is just so thinly written he might as well be cardboard. Hannibal has been done to death at this point so hes not really that interesting anymore.



It's a solid show, a good B tier show. But it's not doing original or noteworthy. It's pretty fukkin formulaic. It's a show you watch and forget about it because theirs no depth ti the show.



But like i said if you read the responses to my OP youd think this show was some ultra fresh, original mind bending show with conplicated plots and intricate writing.
 
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I think my main problem with the show is that the characters are TOO smart. At least Hannibal is. It's like no matter how good of a trap they set, he already knows whats coming. He's already figured it out. He's always ahead of the game. There can't ever be a true cat and mouse feel to it. As soon as you think they are about to execute a well thought out plan, dude does the okie doke and turns up the villainy knob and does everything but do an evil laugh while twisting his mustache. I mean damn, there was one scene where smashes ole girl, and while she is sleep, dude gets up, leaves the house, sneaks into a hospital and NO ONE sees him, kill someone in the most elaborate way possible and gets back, spotless, and is back in bed with ole girl. I mean come the fukk on. It gets to a point where it's too much with no buffer in between. It's okay to have that some of the time, but after dude sneaks into a damn federal court house and strings up a freaking judge, in again, the most elaborate way possible and NO ONE sees anything, I'm to the point where I am asking.....why bother? The only way dude could ever get caught is if Will Graham catches him, but with all the snitches and surveillance we have in this country, no one can catch this evil creepy motherfukker snooping around in a plastic jumpsuit?

Whenever there is a show where you have a "special mind" type of person where they can see things no one else sees, the show creators always end up having to create unrealistic opposition for them. Think about all the killers this dude Will Graham was tracking down. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy seeing these gruesome scenes played out, but just stop and think about this stuff. You have never EVER heard of somebody kidnapping, drugging, then burying people alive and growing mushrooms from them. shyt is just out there. And thats cool. We can forgive that on TV because thats why we watch. My point is, the writers had to create that setup for the Will Graham character so that he would actually have something to do. Imagine them calling dude out to figure out why Pookie got shot and dude goes in to "psychic detective" mode and finds out Ray Ray shot him over 10 dollars and an ounce of weed. Show wouldn't make it past the first episode. So trust me I get it. But then they add Hannibal into the mix. So you got this super psychic mojo nikka, and then you have the super sniffing hypnosis muhfukka and they just end up going around in circles. So to put it simply, I feel the show isn't balanced properly. It'll be interesting to see the direction they go in next season.

Most likely Will Graham will survive and very little will change except the fact that they'll spend the entire 3rd season hunting Hannibal. I couldn't even imagine how they'd squeeze a fourth season out of that.
 

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I think my main problem with the show is that the characters are TOO smart. At least Hannibal is. It's like no matter how good of a trap they set, he already knows whats coming. He's already figured it out. He's always ahead of the game. There can't ever be a true cat and mouse feel to it. As soon as you think they are about to execute a well thought out plan, dude does the okie doke and turns up the villainy knob and does everything but do an evil laugh while twisting his mustache. I mean damn, there was one scene where smashes ole girl, and while she is sleep, dude gets up, leaves the house, sneaks into a hospital and NO ONE sees him, kill someone in the most elaborate way possible and gets back, spotless, and is back in bed with ole girl. I mean come the fukk on. It gets to a point where it's too much with no buffer in between. It's okay to have that some of the time, but after dude sneaks into a damn federal court house and strings up a freaking judge, in again, the most elaborate way possible and NO ONE sees anything, I'm to the point where I am asking.....why bother? The only way dude could ever get caught is if Will Graham catches him, but with all the snitches and surveillance we have in this country, no one can catch this evil creepy motherfukker snooping around in a plastic jumpsuit?

Whenever there is a show where you have a "special mind" type of person where they can see things no one else sees, the show creators always end up having to create unrealistic opposition for them. Think about all the killers this dude Will Graham was tracking down. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy seeing these gruesome scenes played out, but just stop and think about this stuff. You have never EVER heard of somebody kidnapping, drugging, then burying people alive and growing mushrooms from them. shyt is just out there. And thats cool. We can forgive that on TV because thats why we watch. My point is, the writers had to create that setup for the Will Graham character so that he would actually have something to do. Imagine them calling dude out to figure out why Pookie got shot and dude goes in to "psychic detective" mode and finds out Ray Ray shot him over 10 dollars and an ounce of weed. Show wouldn't make it past the first episode. So trust me I get it. But then they add Hannibal into the mix. So you got this super psychic mojo nikka, and then you have the super sniffing hypnosis muhfukka and they just end up going around in circles. So to put it simply, I feel the show isn't balanced properly. It'll be interesting to see the direction they go in next season.

Most likely Will Graham will survive and very little will change except the fact that they'll spend the entire 3rd season hunting Hannibal. I couldn't even imagine how they'd squeeze a fourth season out of that.

4th season is supposed to be "Silence of the Lambs" if I remember correctly. Next season is "Red Dragon".

And I'm petitioning NBC to change the name of this show to "Super Psychic Mojo nikka".

Fred.
 

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Just read the responses in this thread.



"Youre not paying attention to the details!!!"
"Youve never seen anything like this on tv!!!!!"
"Best show currently on!!!"
"Everything is connected!!!!"


Etc


Season 1 was weak and most people can agree to that. So how is it the best show on tv when only 1 out of 2 seasons is good. True detective, got etc those shows first seasons take a giant shyt on hannibals 1st season.


If someone reads through the responses to my original post then watches the show going in cold theyre going to be dissapointed just like I am.


People seem more gassed up off the season 2 finale and are glossing over how dull the show is at times. I've already stated more than the killer of the week gripe. The show lacks any suspense because these characters are over done at this point. Its got one main arcing plot that moves at a walking dead on the farm pace with random killers thrown in to fill in time. A slow paced plot can be forgiven for other shows but this show has almost non existant character development to fall back on. Wills literaly the only character on the show whos interesting. Jack crawford is just so thinly written he might as well be cardboard. Hannibal has been done to death at this point so hes not really that interesting anymore.



It's a solid show, a good B tier show. But it's not doing original or noteworthy. It's pretty fukkin formulaic. It's a show you watch and forget about it because theirs no depth ti the show.



But like i said if you read the responses to my OP youd think this show was some ultra fresh, original mind bending show with conplicated plots and intricate writing.
Its definitely better than your favorite show. I feel sorry that you arent capable of appreciating it but your critiques gave me a laugh. Oh well.
 

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when people say details... it's shyt like below.. a lot of people talk about the cinematography.. and acting with the subtlety and facial expressions... the murders.. the story... or just the look of the show.. details to look at are more like technical aspects.. technical aspects which have no damn business being on tv

we are talking about NETWORK tv... not cable tv... not premium cable tv... not movies

we talking abc, nbc, cbs, fox type shows.... and this show is doing seasons that are legit getting compared to the best cable has to offer.. and that's after 2 seasons

it's not just a bunch of nikkas on the internet saying this.. it's critics, writers of other shows, fans, haters... they all agree that this is a top tier show and everything about it is top notch.. it's getting shytty ratings and getting renewed every damn season like clockwork based off being great alone.. kinda like the wire... no ratings, no big following.. but hbo kept dumping money in, based purely off the fact that everyone who did watch, called it amazing

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shyt like this on network tv???

Somebody put together the Top 5 (7actually but you can see the other two at the site) Kills:

1. Flayed Guardian Angels
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Season 1, Episode 5: “Coquilles”

These ones get top billing because they’re the only Hannibal kills so far to make me feel physically ill. I had to stop eating while watching this episode, man. That never happens. This deserves some sort of award.
Trivia tidbit: the scene pictured above originally had these murder victims bare butt naked (as angels are wont to do) but apparently, five seconds of ass would be too much for our poor virgin network-TV-watching eyes to handle. The solution? Fill the ass cracks with blood to cover up the nudity. So to recap: chunks of skin peeled off people’s backs OK, ass cracks not OK, ass cracks full of blood of the innocent somehow totally OK.


2. The Human Instrument
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Season 1, Episode 8: “Fromage”

A lot of the serial killers on Hannibal tend to rely only on visuals to get their “deep” and “poetic” messages across. Tobias Budge went the extra mile by incorporating his love of music into his big kill… by shoving a cello neck down a trombonist’s throat in season 1. To add to the macabre vision, Will-as-Tobias is seen playing the “instrument” by applying a bow to the poor man’s vocal cords, as pictured above. It’s disgusting. I love it.


3. For SCIENCE
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Season 2, Episode 5: “Mukozuke”

Beverly Katz’s death is memorable on two different levels. One, she was a beloved character, a key member of Team Sassy Science, capable and brilliant (her decision to go into a suspect’s murder dungeon without backup notwithstanding) and Will’s friend and confidant to the end. Two, Hannibal freaking put her frozen body through a meat slicer and then displayed them on glass slides like a demented science project.
Where did Hannibal get those giant slides from so readily? Did he already have them lying around his house like “heh, this would be a really cool thing to do one day” and if so, how pleased was he that he finally had the right circumstances to pull it off? How difficult must it have been to place each Beverly Slice perfectly centered on each slide? Did he get hungry at all during the process? Who cares, this shyt is tight. Objectively speaking (it’s been weeks since her death and I’m still leery of it – she was literally fridged) this is a pretty cool death.
Un-objectively speaking, I’m just gonna put out there that the circumstances leading up to Beverly’s death were out of character and her murder unnecessary. We already know Hannibal is a bad guy, Bryan Fuller, we didn’t need you killing off one of the few women of color in this series to “show” that to us – but that’s a conversation for another time.


4. Wound Man – Nurse Edition
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Season 1, Episode 6: “Entrée”

There are a few different incarnations of the Wound Man in both seasons of Hannibal, but the best one has to be Abel Gideon’s creation in 1×06 “Entrée” where he impaled a Baltimore State Hospital nurse on various medical instruments. There’s something poetic to be said about instruments of healing being used to murder a healer.
Gideon’s Wound Man also stands out because, thanks to Will’s handy dandy empathy, we get to see the events leading up to the murder.


5. People Totem Pole
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Season 1, Episode 9: “Trou Normand”

This one is striking due to the sheer amount of human bodies it took to make it. Also because no one saw him construct this thing? Seriously, no one? I understand it’s a private secluded beach or whatever, but come on. This thing is tall as shyt.

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My favorites are the human instrument and Bev's vivisection.

Finally caught up on this piff show


This shyt is wild.... :whew:

LL


LL


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when people say details... it's shyt like below.. a lot of people talk about the cinematography.. and acting with the subtlety and facial expressions... the murders.. the story... or just the look of the show.. details to look at are more like technical aspects.. technical aspects which have no damn business being on tv

we are talking about NETWORK tv... not cable tv... not premium cable tv... not movies

we talking abc, nbc, cbs, fox type shows.... and this show is doing seasons that are legit getting compared to the best cable has to offer.. and that's after 2 seasons

it's not just a bunch of nikkas on the internet saying this.. it's critics, writers of other shows, fans, haters... they all agree that this is a top tier show and everything about it is top notch.. it's getting shytty ratings and getting renewed every damn season like clockwork based off being great alone.. kinda like the wire... no ratings, no big following.. but hbo kept dumping money in, based purely off the fact that everyone who did watch, called it amazing


shyt like this on network tv???
And that's to say nothing of the subjects of human nature, psychology and behavior, relationships, power, philosophy, faith, morality and culture that are routinely explored and interwoven throughout the show. Just more stuff that doesnt exist according to the brilliant OP.
 

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when people say details... it's shyt like below.. a lot of people talk about the cinematography.. and acting with the subtlety and facial expressions... the murders.. the story... or just the look of the show.. details to look at are more like technical aspects.. technical aspects which have no damn business being on tv

we are talking about NETWORK tv... not cable tv... not premium cable tv... not movies

we talking abc, nbc, cbs, fox type shows.... and this show is doing seasons that are legit getting compared to the best cable has to offer.. and that's after 2 seasons

it's not just a bunch of nikkas on the internet saying this.. it's critics, writers of other shows, fans, haters... they all agree that this is a top tier show and everything about it is top notch.. it's getting shytty ratings and getting renewed every damn season like clockwork based off being great alone.. kinda like the wire... no ratings, no big following.. but hbo kept dumping money in, based purely off the fact that everyone who did watch, called it amazing


shyt like this on network tv???
Great cinematography doesn't change that season 1 was weak as hell and a chore to get through. Again, a 69% on metacritic. Stop gassing it up.



Violence on network tv is old hat by the way. Call me when theyre allowed to show nudity or swear. Because lord knows FBI and serial killers are perfect gentlemen with their language.


Saw also had a lot of creative kills, guess its a goat too.
 
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And that's to say nothing of the subjects of human nature, psychology and behavior, relationships, power, philosophy, faith, morality and culture that are routinely explored and interwoven throughout the show. Just more stuff that doesnt exist according to the brilliant OP.
Yeah, because that has NEVER been done on a 100 other shows.:mjlol:
 

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Great cinematography doesn't change that season 1 was weak as hell and a chore to get through. Again, a 69% on metacritic. Stop gassing it up.
Oh cool, why didnt you say that metacritic was the barometer we were using?

Season 2 = better than True Detective according to metacritic

Guess thats settled, looks like you were way off :snooze:
 

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Oh cool, why didnt you say that metacritic was the barometer we were using?

Season 2 = better than True Detective according to metacritic

Guess thats settled, looks like you were way off :snooze:
Not comparable seeing as true detective doesn't have a season 2.


But last I checked 87%>>>>>>69%.



True detective could very well be terrible in season 2.
 

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Not comparable seeing as true detective doesn't have a season 2.


But last I checked 87%>>>>>>69%.



True detective could very well be terrible in season 2.
So the fact remains that Hannibal season 2 was better than season 1 of True Detective. Seems you must have missed something.
 
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