Illegals and muslims can't be central to the Democrats anymore. Voters are just stupid. Admit it.

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Economic left policies with totalitarian right social policies is fascism

This country is doomed. Most Americans (white n black) are fascists

This is why I don't tolerate slander of democratic candidates.

We simply can't hold back the votes of idiots.

People WANT this shyt.

There was NOTHING wrong with Ossoff. NOTHING. Handel literally told you to shove your minimum wage, gay issues, and socialist healthcare. She said Ossoff had "San Francisco" values like it was an ethnic slur.

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU'RE DEALING WITH.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Americans may be all of those things but they don't vote that way.


Reich

Bingo.

Y'all keep deluding yourselves with these little think-pieces.

No one is taking that shyt seriously

They just hate minorities, gays, and anything egalitarian.

Y'all talking socialism but can't even keep healthcare. How the fvck you gonna affect wages?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

A quarter to a third of the Muslims in the USA are African Americans.

South and Southeast Asian immigrants after the 1960s make up a big chunk of the Muslim population. A lot of them are multi-generational and educated.

So how are they not benefitting the states?

It's not the same as in France or Britain. Even in the UK, Muslims have been living there for decades due to colonial legacies.

That means 75% of blacks are christians.

Whats your point?

Muslims that come here integrate better than they do in Europe. Thats fine. But they can't be the face of the party anymore. People not trying to hear that shyt. Cause its not about ethnicity. Its religion at that point.

You named about a dozen countries.

And all you focused on was Islam.

Thats the problem.

 

[BaggerofTea]

This is why I don't tolerate slander of democratic candidates.

We simply can't hold back the votes of idiots.

People WANT this shyt.

There was NOTHING wrong with Ossoff. NOTHING. Handel literally told you to shove your minimum wage, gay issues, and socialist healthcare. She said Ossoff had "San Francisco" values like it was an ethnic slur.

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU'RE DEALING WITH.

really a sad situation

Crazy how proto fascism has now resurfaced as a alternative.

What's worse it's fascism based off of shyt economics and a Nazi esque propaganda machine

This will fall apart badly

 

[ExodusNirvana]

I dont want shyt like the the Khan Family hogging up airwaves. I don't want people acting like this shyt is cool

That is ABSURD

That is exactly the type of shyt that should be front and center

The fact that this man was a muslim born and raise and DIED defending this country against Muslim Terrorist Extremists

 

[NotaPAWG]

Funny, I don't see the people complaining about illegal immigration affecting wages taking up the issues of wage theft by employers, the Fight for $15, or, gasp... more radical solutions for the working class, namely, moving towards production for human need instead of profit.

That's because those people are only concerned with scapegoating and putting vulnerable groups against each other.

Immigrants can have anti-immigrant sentiments and can scapegoat as well, just like we have Afrikans who hold and advocate for anti-Afrikan ideas.

youre assuming a lot.

i'm for higher wages, keeping jobs in the U.S, demand + profit and i'm against wage slavery.

but illegal immigration is an issue. it drives down wages in southern states and the west coast, especially in places like Florida where there is no union.

i'm not even trying to scape goat illegals, in fact i understand why people come here illegally and that the immigration process is TOO long, that employers who hire illegal immigrants should be facing harsh penalties etc

you do realize that someone can be critical of the government, capitalism, immigration process but still be aware of how illegal immigration affects the poor and middle class?

in south florida and other places illegal mexicans get hired over black men. you don't see an issue with that?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Did you mean to quote yourself? @ you being "indifferent" on Muslims

I walk a fine line.

I'm not in favor of the islamification of society. This IS a threat in Europe and white Americans fear it too. However irrational.

I do not support the overt discrimination against muslims...but we have to acknowledge there is a body of ideology that is fundamentally incompatible with many Western values

And I'm a social liberal, center-left on economics, existential nihilist/atheist, black man.

Then when you add in the trans bathroom thing, people just say "fukk it" and bounce

I mean we got mainstream podcasters with millions of views ranting about "safe spaces" and "SJWs" and campus free speech to invite right-wing a$$holes to rant about their eugenics agendas.

THATS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The next step to attract more white voters will be to stop so called "identity politics" and racism.

If you remember, I said this would happen on November 10th.

No one believed me.

Blacks will always be a core of the DNC, as a people, but some of the ideological corners will have to go.

Illegals? You're finished.

Islam? Fun while it lasted.

And this isn't even addressing the demographic changes.

Hispanics flipped right back into the GOP.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The problem with issue based polls is that they are presented in a way that is not replicated in a politically charged setting. Often they are not presented with costing and other variables that crop up when they are debated in a public domain. Healthcare is a good example, a poll can show support for a Fed funded system but politicians are hardly campaigning on that issue as a yes/no vote , they campaign on that issue at a more abstract level including things such as taxes, personal freedoms etc hence the backlash against the ACA formented by Tea party types and talk radio. There is also a question of priority, how does one issue stake up with regards to importance if it is put up against other issues.

As for the illegals and muslims part, there is a difference between dropping the immigration stuff and using rhetoric that is anti-immigration. If you take the view that most people are anti illegals then the party that uses explicit rhetoric like Trump would get that vote before they consider a party that is half-assing on the issue. The muslim issue is the same as well, you have Fox and GOP people talking about sharia and chiding Obama for not saying radical Islamic terrorist. Chasing the white vote eventually leads to the triangulation-era of Dem politics.

Like I said. Its a fine line.

Dudes hated Obama for not going for single payer. Well we see why, don't we?

Illegals and muslims? Again. Its a fine line. The Dems went WAY too far into that hole.

 

[JahFocus CS]

youre assuming a lot.

i'm for higher wages, keeping jobs in the U.S, demand + profit and i'm against wage slavery.

but illegal immigration is an issue. it drives down wages in southern states and the west coast, especially in places like Florida where there is no union.

i'm not even trying to scape goat illegals, in fact i understand why people come here illegally and that the immigration process is TOO long, that employers who hire illegal immigrants should be facing harsh penalties etc

you do realize that someone can be critical of the government, capitalism, immigration process but still be aware of how illegal immigration affects the poor and middle class?

in south florida and other places illegal mexicans get hired over black men. you don't see an issue with that?

I invariably side with workers over the interests of capital. Undocumented immigrants get hired because their labor benefits capital and business owners -- they can be hyper-exploited because of their tenuous legal position.

It needs to be made much easier for workers to organize.

If there's an issue with it, it lies with the businesses doing the hiring. I'm not going to attack undocumented immigrants for getting hired and fuel rhetoric that divides and feeds into racist attitudes between factions of workers.

 

[NotaPAWG]

Another phenomenon we are seeing is that the traditional liberal bastion in the Midwest is getting more conservative. Something isn't right. Dems have to figure out how they let that happen.

i've seen that here in Mass as well and from people who has been more left.

the middle class sees democrats fight for illegal immigrants as a slap in the face, especially when dems aren't saying shyt in regards to keeping jobs in the U.S (a thing republicans and Trump ran with even if they were bullshytting), higher wages, single payer etc

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

That is ABSURD

That is exactly the type of shyt that should be front and center

The fact that this man was a muslim born and raise and DIED defending this country against Muslim Terrorist Extremists

It doesn't play well.

You want their votes? Or do you want moral superiority?

You can't shame these people into submission. They know they're racist and they don't care.

 

[FAH1223]

That means 75% of blacks are christians.

Whats your point?

Muslims that come here integrate better than they do in Europe. Thats fine. But they can't be the face of the party anymore. People not trying to hear that shyt. Cause its not about ethnicity. Its religion at that point.

You named about a dozen countries.

And all you focused on was Islam.

Thats the problem.

Just veiled Islamaphobia from you and Scoop.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Just veiled Islamaphobia from you and Scoop.

They do a shytty job of veiling it, then

 

[NotaPAWG]

I invariably side with workers over the interests of capital. Undocumented immigrants get hired because their labor benefits capital and business owners -- they can be hyper-exploited because of their tenuous legal position.

It needs to be made much easier for workers to organize.

If there's an issue with it, it lies with the businesses doing the hiring. I'm not going to attack undocumented immigrants for getting hired and fuel rhetoric that divides and feeds into racist attitudes between factions of workers.

i completely agree with you on this, illegal immigrants shouldn't be the scape goat they are just a pawn being exploited, but illegal immigration does affect the working class in the long run.