Illegals and muslims can't be central to the Democrats anymore. Voters are just stupid. Admit it.

[Scoop]

The Dems and other neolib parties in Europe are definitely getting the stigma that they care more about illegal aliens and Muslim "refugees" then they do their own citizens. They've failed to articulate how taking in such people is beneficial to the citizens already here (because spoiler alert, I don't think it is) especially in the face of terror attacks.

I don't think black people really turn off too many people from the Democratic Party, among those that would consider voting for the Dem Party on merit/policy anyway.

I'm convinced that if it wasn't for the acceptance of illegals and Muslim "refugees" Hillary would be President, Remain would've won, Le Pen wouldn't of made the 2nd round etc.

What separates illegals and Muslims (and this goes for all religions, not just Muslims) from other disadvantaged groups is the factor of choice. People choose to be Muslim. People chose to come here illegally. I don't think you can chose to be something and then get special benefit out of it. On the flip side, one doesn't choose to be gay or black.

Also, "refugees" coming to the US and Europe from the ME aren't refugees at all. They're immigrants. Refugees are people who enter a neighboring peaceful country to escape war. Refugee-ism is defined by necessity, not luxury. You can't pick out the wealthiest countries on the other side of the globe and go there as a "refugee," passing 20 peaceful countries along the way.

As far as the "you can't win by going further to the left" I think that depends.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

If democrats voted and used the same rhetoric as republicans then they would get republican voters:think_son:

Where are these liberals y'all talk about?

They don't exist.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

I was saying this yesterday.

Stop trying to play fair. They ain't playing fair and no one cares that they aren't playing fair except the left.

Why aren't the Dems pointing out the little things? That the party of "freedom" spends most of its time restricting the rights of others? That the party of the constitution spends most of its time using the constitution to violate it? That the party that claims to love the country spends most of its time doing business with companies and organizations that ultimately result in the destruction of the environment which will mean no more hunting, no more amber waves of grain and all that other sentimental horse shyt because it won't exist in 30 or 40 years at this rate? Why aren't they pointing out that the NRA is silent over the murder of an innocent Black man who was a licensed and registered gun owner, that the police shot for NO REASON.

The Dems are afraid to tell the people the truth because most of the Democrats out here right now are HOLLYWOOD LIBERALS. They talk a good game but they wanna eat from these lobbyists and these bankers just like the fukkboys on the right.

The Dems are basically Pete Carroll and the Seattle Seahawks in 2015 at this point. You could have ran Bernie for President and won EASILY because he wasn't as polarizing as Butter E-Mails, and he won some of the crucial states she LOST. The rest of the Blue States would have fallen in line and any purple states would have went Blue because he had that Populist swag.

You could have ran the ball but you chose to air it out, and do a short pass, using a QB that we now know and knew back then, that NO ONE ON THE TEAM LIKES OR RESPECTS AS A LEADER. Just like fukking Russell Wilson.

And that's why the Seahawks continue to fail. No leadership and no unity.

What's the Dems message? fukk Trump? Yeah no kidding what else you got???

 

[JahFocus CS]

Nap, why don't you just support Trump? He's #HOM (Hard on Muslims). And xenophobic and anti-immigrant just like you are. You just don't like his international policies with him (unintentionally) compromising U.S. and Western imperialism. But his domestic policies?

 

[ZoeGod]

No.

They.

Are.

Not.

Liberal economics get NO play out here. I don't know why you all keep saying this shyt and it does NOT work

Raising the minimum wage is popular. Plus there needs to policies to be in place because the middle class is struggling out here. Are you saying Dems should abandon policies to aid the middle class and poor?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I was saying this yesterday.

Stop trying to play fair. They ain't playing fair and no one cares that they aren't playing fair except the left.

Why aren't the Dems pointing out the little things? That the party of "freedom" spends most of its time restricting the rights of others? That the party of the constitution spends most of its time using the constitution to violate it? That the party that claims to love the country spends most of its time doing business with companies and organizations that ultimately result in the destruction of the environment which will mean no more hunting, no more amber waves of grain and all that other sentimental horse shyt because it won't exist in 30 or 40 years at this rate? Why aren't they pointing out that the NRA is silent over the murder of an innocent Black man who was a licensed and registered gun owner, that the police shot for NO REASON.

The Dems are afraid to tell the people the truth because most of the Democrats out here right now are HOLLYWOOD LIBERALS. They talk a good game but they wanna eat from these lobbyists and these bankers just like the fukkboys on the right.

The Dems are basically Pete Carroll and the Seattle Seahawks in 2015 at this point. You could have ran Bernie for President and won EASILY because he wasn't as polarizing as Butter E-Mails, and he won some of the crucial states she LOST. The rest of the Blue States would have fallen in line and any purple states would have went Blue because he had that Populist swag.

You could have ran the ball but you chose to air it out, and do a short pass, using a QB that we now know and knew back then, that NO ONE ON THE TEAM LIKES OR RESPECTS AS A LEADER. Just like fukking Russell Wilson.

And that's why the Seahawks continue to fail. No leadership and no unity.

What's the Dems message? fukk Trump? Yeah no kidding what else you got???

Sanders lost.

You can't just invent math.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Raising the minimum wage is popular. Plus there needs to policies to be in place because the middle class is struggling out here. Are you saying Dems should abandon policies to aid the middle class and poor?

No. Its not.

Its popular to YOU.

The Dems HAVE policies for the poor and middle class.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Nap, why don't you just support Trump? He's #HOM (Hard on Muslims). And xenophobic and anti-immigrant just like you are. You just don't like his international policies with him (unintentionally) compromising U.S. and Western imperialism. But his domestic policies?

I'm not "hard on muslims"

I'm indifferent.

I'm not anti-immigrant. I'm anti-illegal immigrant...like Obama and Hillary were. But I acknowledge the need for legal immigrant reform.

Trump doesn't know shyt about foreign policy

 

[dh86]

Go campaign some more on "government waste from both parties" and see where that gets ya

 

[Snoopy Loops]

I've been saying it for close to two years on here.

And we have more proof.

Blacks aren't going anywhere. Dems will always be "better" than the GOP for black people. Period. The GOP is just too racist.

White people are fickle and flighty...but these things will remain:

1. They're the numerical majority. There is no path forward without them. Period.
2. Illegals can NOT continue to be lionized. Its just pissing people off. How the Democrats Lost Their Way on Immigration https://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-atlantic-how-the-democrats-lost-their-way-on-immigration.548665
3. Muslims are being treated like rare and special breeds of humans. They're not. And its pissing people off to keep acting like they are What’s Attracting Gay Men to the Fascist, White Nationalist Alt-Right?
4. Far leftists don't exist. They just don't. We/They are loud, but they don't exist. You live in cities (as do I) and can't win enough districts to change anything. Why did it work in the UK? Population Density. Pure and simple.

We can come up with a way to handle deportation a little more humanely, NOT HOW TRUMP DOES THINGS and reform immigration. But it must be done.

Muslims are getting way too much coddling in the west. And its pissing people off who can't see beyond that.

Look, we have great candidates doing almost everything right and they CANT win.

Thats not our fault.

People voted for a man who beat up a journalist.

Thy voted for a woman who told a lesbian to her face she wasn't capable of raising a kid and didn't respect her for being gay.

They voted for people who don't support liberal economics.

YOU CANT WIN BY GOING FURTHER LEFT.

CENTRISM MUST HOLD.

On the Muslim issue, what do you really want? State sponsored persecution? Concentration camps? This coddling you say is the only thing keeping some muslims from going full rogue.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

On the Muslim issue, what do you really want? State sponsored persecution? Concentration camps? This coddling you say is the only thing keeping some muslims from going full rogue.

I dont want shyt like the the Khan Family hogging up airwaves. I don't want people acting like this shyt is cool:

I don't want any sort of overt overture to the islamic community outside of mere: "Freedom of religion"

The left KNOWS islam doesn't play well with people they want to vote for them. We can't keep playing with this hot potato.

But we gotta also accept that sometimes, we just won't win. Republicans don't give a fukk about ANY of that. But we can't keep bleeding support

 

[DirtyD]

No.

They.

Are.

Not.

Liberal economics get NO play out here. I don't know why you all keep saying this shyt and it does NOT work

False the majority of americans support policies most would consider liberal or progressive. Check out the links below for proof.

Majority in U.S. Support Idea of Fed-Funded Healthcare System

America’s Views Align Surprisingly Well With Those of “Socialist” Bernie Sanders – Mother Jones

Sorry, Teabaggers: America Really Loves These Liberal Policies

The reason why democrats have lost many of their voters can easily be explained by their shift to the right on numerous issues.

Democrats have occupied the White House for 16 of the last 24 years, and for four of those years had control of both houses of Congress. But in that time they failed to reverse the decline in working-class wages and economic security. Both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama ardently pushed for free trade agreements without providing millions of blue-collar workers who thereby lost their jobs means of getting new ones that paid at least as well.

They stood by as corporations hammered trade unions, the backbone of the white working class – failing to reform labor laws to impose meaningful penalties on companies that violate them, or help workers form unions with simple up-or-down votes. Partly as a result, union membership sank from 22% of all workers when Bill Clinton was elected president to less than 12% today, and the working class lost bargaining leverage to get a share of the economy’s gains.

Bill Clinton and Obama also allowed antitrust enforcement to ossify – with the result that large corporations have grown far larger, and major industries more concentrated. The unsurprising result of this combination – more trade, declining unionization and more industry concentration – has been to shift political and economic power to big corporations and the wealthy, and to shaft the working class. This created an opening for Donald Trump’s authoritarian demagoguery, and his presidency.

Democrats once represented the working class. Not any more | Robert Reich

 

[88m3]

False the majority of americans support policies most would consider liberal or progressive. Check out the links below for proof.

Majority in U.S. Support Idea of Fed-Funded Healthcare System

America’s Views Align Surprisingly Well With Those of “Socialist” Bernie Sanders – Mother Jones

Sorry, Teabaggers: America Really Loves These Liberal Policies

The reason why democrats have lost many of their voters can easily be explained by their shift to the right on numerous issues.



Democrats once represented the working class. Not any more | Robert Reich

Americans may be all of those things but they don't vote that way.


Reich

 

[FAH1223]

The Dems and other neolib parties in Europe are definitely getting the stigma that they care more about illegal aliens and Muslim "refugees" then they do their own citizens. They've failed to articulate how taking in such people is beneficial to the citizens already here (because spoiler alert, I don't think it is) especially in the face of terror attacks.

I don't think black people really turn off too many people from the Democratic Party, among those that would consider voting for the Dem Party on merit/policy anyway.

I'm convinced that if it wasn't for the acceptance of illegals and Muslim "refugees" Hillary would be President, Remain would've won, Le Pen wouldn't of made the 2nd round etc.

What separates illegals and Muslims (and this goes for all religions, not just Muslims) from other disadvantaged groups is the factor of choice. People choose to be Muslim. People chose to come here illegally. I don't think you can chose to be something and then get special benefit out of it. On the flip side, one doesn't choose to be gay or black.

Also, "refugees" coming to the US and Europe from the ME aren't refugees at all. They're immigrants. Refugees are people who enter a neighboring peaceful country to escape war. Refugee-ism is defined by necessity, not luxury. You can't pick out the wealthiest countries on the other side of the globe and go there as a "refugee," passing 20 peaceful countries along the way.

As far as the "you can't win by going further to the left" I think that depends.

A quarter to a third of the Muslims in the USA are African Americans.

South and Southeast Asian immigrants after the 1960s make up a big chunk of the Muslim population. A lot of them are multi-generational and educated.

So how are they not benefitting the states?

It's not the same as in France or Britain. Even in the UK, Muslims have been living there for decades due to colonial legacies.

 

[DirtyD]

Americans may be all of those things but they don't vote that way.


Reich

A large portion of americans dont vote at all,because some feel neither democrats or republicans represent them. Others dont vote, because barriers exist that stop them from voting. So why dont you .