Nap, you're running in circles.
A few comments, then my sense is we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
First of all, be wary of writers making broad pronouncements such as:
The political disadvantage emerges when a majority of voters see the Democratic Party as too far out in front of the electorate — as the proponent of new rights that do not yet have majority support. Republicans reaped the benefits of Democratic overreach in the 1980 election of Ronald Reagan; the “wave” midterm elections of 1994, 2010 and 2014; and the Nov. 8 election of Donald Trump."
That is by far one of the most confidently conclusive (yet UTTERLY unsubstantiated) declarations I've seen in any bit of political writing in a long time.
Except. Its true.
Dems are pushing people away by embracing illegals who literally undermine the nature of the law.
I think you forget the Dems are center left. Just like the republicans are center right
You run the risk of pushing people away who usually would agree with you.
This is one thing among many that hurts the viability of the party.
Elections very rarely can be so summarily explained by vague ideas such as one party being "too far out in front of the electorate." That statement literally tells you nothing. The last time you could plausibly point to being "too out in front" as being a reason for a party losing seats would be what happened after the Civil Rights Act, where one vote devastated the Dems hold on the South in ways that they still haven't yet recovered. But in all those other years you could point to a wide variety of factors that contributed to those losses.
Did you conveniently forget healthcare?
The one point that I KEEP pointing out, and one that neither you nor the piece you refer to ever mention, is the question of what kind of effect mirroring GOP/right wing talking points on immigration will have on the Dem base. The one thing that should be perfectly clear to you is that Dems have no problem voting third party or staying home when they feel disconnected from their candidates.
On immigration, Dems have been as far left as possible. Theres no where left to go on the left for immigration.
And theres a difference in how we approach it vs the GOP.
Down to messaging and implementation of policy.
Winning isn't winning
enough
And none of this addresses that latino votes for the Dems have been falling for decades. They're becoming more and more conservative over the last 20 years-plus.
The point being that black people are not as die hard anti immigrant as you suggest. The guy tries to claim it's immigration that led to decreased turnout by black voters COMPLETELY avoiding the possibility that maybe black turnout is lower because you're comparing Hillary's numbers against the first black president in US history. The link you posted also says the following:
you'll do anything to ignore black people telling you why they don't support illegal immigration, won't you?
Now you're blaming Hillary herself.
Stick to the core question.
The pew polls, and other documents show that DIRECTLY blacks do not support illegal immigration.
McCarty cited an
October 2016 Pew poll to show that “African-Americans support for immigration is about 15 points below Democrats overall.”
Thats massive.
Here is a congressional study showing the same thing:
http://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1025&context=briggstestimonies
Interestingly enough - and this shouldn't surprise anyone, when you look at what the American people actually believe with respect to what hurts American workers, it is :
Now, who has a vested interest in shifting the dialogue from outsourcing to blaming big bad Hispanic bogeymen who end up taking jobs that Americans are unwilling to take? Your Third Way cheerleaders and their right wing compatriots.
I'm trying to win votes.
I don't care about anything else.
Nor should you.
The line about heightened fears of ISIS etc are ridiculous
people aren't thinking with rationality.
You don't realize who you're talking about when shyt blows up.
again, the people who list ISIS infiltration as their primary motivation for voting are never going to vote for a Dem, no matter how "tough" they are on border security etc.
we'll never know, now will we?
You need to understand that Democratic candidates NEVER EVER receive the political benefits of changing their positions.
Hold up.
YOU WANT US TO MOVE MORE TO THE LEFT...so what gives?
Whats this gotta do with illegals?
Illegals benefit from softies like you who debate people like me from supporting kicking them out. The love hearing us argue. Just means they get to stay longer and undermine our poor and unskilled. Many of whom are black.
You are repeating the mistake of all those Dems (not to mention the idiots in the media) who marched lockstep with Bush into Iraq because they thought it was going to help them get "security mom" and other neoconservative votes. That shyt never works.
Wrong again.
The Gulf War wasn't supported by many democrats, so when The Iraq War came up, everyone wanted in on the action.
But nice try
