Illegals and muslims can't be central to the Democrats anymore. Voters are just stupid. Admit it.

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Yall kill me thinking illegal immigrants are the main thing turning these voters off.

Muslims, BLM (which really just means black people in general), legal Hispanics, etc. are disliked just as much if not more. Hell, every time a cop murders a black person tons of these voters donate generously to their cause. You all are overestimating the importance of this one issue and missing the bigger picture about what's going on in the country.

Lets take one of these issues off the table.

Illegals.

My goal is to gain ground in the political stalemate.

I'm not about to surge over the trenches. I just need a few yards in the other direction.

Illegals are a solid path forward.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Immigration is largely a class issue or a racism issue.

You address the class issue by addressing the economic/labor policies that are creating these class divisions.

You don't entertain racists.

Guess which race and class is affected the most by illegals?

 

[88m3]

The problem isn't illegal vs legal to the majority of people in this country, it's that they're not white.

If they were protestant cacs immigrating here we'd be having parades like we were the Third Reich.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Understood, but in order to enforce the border, there must a crackdown on illicit narcotics.
Mostly true but...
Acri at anytime, close to half of Hispanics are republican. Some hispanic groups are majority republican. Muslims were also split prior to the current millennium. These groups are not dem strongholds and the party has to realize that. Dems used to be able to win prior to the Pelosi-Schumer-Reid gang getting in.

I really don't get why people are so hesitant to agree with me here. @Call Me James is trying to come up with any reason to avoid deporting people who shouldn't be here.:

Dude tried doing a mini-excel sheet budget analysis...like he gives a fukk

I've already advocated damn near jail time for employers who hire illegals.

Whats next?

Illegals are a drag on the democrats. They must go in order win back ANY seats.

And guess what. We'll get around as many hispanics as we always do but we get way more moderates who enjoy our stance on immigration.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I actually agree that the groups aren't Dem strongholds, I just don't think that changing the rhetoric about them is going to win any "moderate" voters.

And the past environment was different than now. Obama's election pretty much made the alt-right mainstream which wasn't the case back in the day. So it's apples and oranges.


But I don't want people to think I'm making some pro-illegal immigration argument, I'm only arguing that the Dems won't benefit much from changing their position on it.

The problem isn't illegal vs legal to the majority of people in this country, it's that they're not white.

If they were protestant cacs immigrating here we'd be having parades like we were the Third Reich.

I showed you 4-5 articles with analysis showing you this.

The Dems stance on illegals, especially after this 2016 election was fukking FAWNING over these illegals. Had them out here chanting and doing marches celebrating flouting immigration law.

That pisses people off to the highest order.

Blacks, whites, and legal hispanics themselves.

I'm not saying this is the issue to fix all issues. This is not a panacea.

I'm saying that in the stalemate, this allows us to gain a few yards in the other direction. We won't surge over the trenches. We will change the positioning on the field.

Thats all we need right now.

We can pick up some votes

We can pick up some seats.

We're not trying to change the GOP. We're trying to win.

This is one of many paths forward.

 

[Tom Foolery]

It's great. He realized half the year is over and he might be trailing in WOAT voting.

This is the guy you negged me for.
You are partially to blame for him.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is so pathetic.

Y'all out here saying "well we won't gain that much"

Bruh it won't matter. If people are leaving your party over people who can't even vote, you are LOSING.

 

[panopticon]

@4d 6f 6e 65 79

Edward Luttwak saw all this coming over 20 years ago.

Christopher Lasch saw it around the same time as well.

Luttwak's piece from the 1994 LRB:

LRB · Edward Luttwak · Why Fascism is the Wave of the Future

Christopher Lasch's last book before dying of cancer:



It's been a long, winding road, but we're finally here. We're now on different sides of the aisle (I switched my registration to Republican last year as a result of the Democrats' failure to address trade and immigration), and it really didn't have to be that way.

More in my next post, but I hope you enjoy the Luttwak article in the meantime.

 

[Pressure]

This is the guy you negged me for.
You are partially to blame for him.

 

[TNC]

I was saying this yesterday.

Stop trying to play fair. They ain't playing fair and no one cares that they aren't playing fair except the left.

Why aren't the Dems pointing out the little things? That the party of "freedom" spends most of its time restricting the rights of others? That the party of the constitution spends most of its time using the constitution to violate it? That the party that claims to love the country spends most of its time doing business with companies and organizations that ultimately result in the destruction of the environment which will mean no more hunting, no more amber waves of grain and all that other sentimental horse shyt because it won't exist in 30 or 40 years at this rate? Why aren't they pointing out that the NRA is silent over the murder of an innocent Black man who was a licensed and registered gun owner, that the police shot for NO REASON.

The Dems are afraid to tell the people the truth because most of the Democrats out here right now are HOLLYWOOD LIBERALS. They talk a good game but they wanna eat from these lobbyists and these bankers just like the fukkboys on the right.

The Dems are basically Pete Carroll and the Seattle Seahawks in 2015 at this point. You could have ran Bernie for President and won EASILY because he wasn't as polarizing as Butter E-Mails, and he won some of the crucial states she LOST. The rest of the Blue States would have fallen in line and any purple states would have went Blue because he had that Populist swag.

You could have ran the ball but you chose to air it out, and do a short pass, using a QB that we now know and knew back then, that NO ONE ON THE TEAM LIKES OR RESPECTS AS A LEADER. Just like fukking Russell Wilson.

And that's why the Seahawks continue to fail. No leadership and no unity.

What's the Dems message? fukk Trump? Yeah no kidding what else you got???

Hillary fukked up by not making Bernie her vice. That would have been an actual show of leadership and united the party.

She chose to put her head down and keep pushing her own way and that led to her demise

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@4d 6f 6e 65 79

Edward Luttwak saw all this coming over 20 years ago.

Christopher Lasch saw it around the same time as well.

Luttwak's piece from the 1994 LRB:

LRB · Edward Luttwak · Why Fascism is the Wave of the Future

Christopher Lasch's last book before dying of cancer:



It's been a long, winding road, but we're finally here. We're now on different sides of the aisle (I switched my registration to Republican last year as a result of the Democrats' failure to address trade and immigration), and it really didn't have to be that way.

More in my next post, but I hope you enjoy the Luttwak article in the meantime.

are you black?

and whats your thoughts on immigration, legal and illegal?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Hillary fukked up by not making Bernie her vice. That would have been an actual show of leadership and united the party.

She chose to put her head down and keep pushing her own way and that led to her demise

Bernie didn't do his part and fall in line. He reluctantly endorsed her and even now keeps trying to fracture democrats running races in tough spots.

 

[Pressure]

are you black?

and whats your thoughts on immigration, legal and illegal?

Illegal immigration is more of a class issue. Black voters aren't jumping across the aisle in any meaningful way over illegal immigration if at all.

Secondly, well off blacks don't really sweat illegal immigration at all.

 

[panopticon]

I am black.

I am completely opposed to illegal immigration. I am for mass deportation, as swiftly as we can manage to do it.

I am also in support of a complete overhaul of our existing immigration system to drastically reduce legal immigration.

Fundamentally, I believe the basis for prosperity for the average American is the combination of expensive labor and cheap land. High levels of immigration do the exact opposite - it raises the price of land and depresses the price of labor.

I am also very much opposed to "free trade" as it is currently practiced. I have no qualms with trading with countries that are roughly equivalent in terms of environmental restrictions and wage levels, but I have no interest in pitting average Americans against folks earning $2 an hour in toxic environments. The competitive advantage that a country like China enjoys over the US has nothing to do with innovations in manufacturing techniques or higher-quality goods - it all boils down to the low wages and the Chinese government's willingness to ignore egregious environmental damage. Japan, on the other hand, has established a competitive advantage based on manufacturing techniques/innovation (they even tried to teach US carmakers some of their secret sauce back in the 80s: look up NUMMI if you want to learn more), and they enjoy roughly equivalent incomes/standard of living with Americans - so no issues with Japanese imports AFAIC.

 

[TNC]

Bernie didn't do his part and fall in line. He reluctantly endorsed her and even now keeps trying to fracture democrats running races in tough spots.

I agree, but he was clearly hedging his bets.

He didn't believe in her and probably didn't trust her and he would have damaged his own brand too much to get behind her fully.


Hindsight is 20/20 but Hillary was the one with the most leverage and in a show of real leadership, should have met him AT LEAST halfway if not moreso since ultimately she had the most to gain and the most to lose.

Like any negotiation, the players will stick around as long as the terms are favorable or if there is no other option. But if the terms aren't favorable they are going to look for the first option to move on if it comes, even at their immediate detriment.