If you guys had to pick a more impactful artist - Janet or Whitney - who you picking?

[brownsugah]

Forgot you. Lol.

I was gonna start tagging ppl before ol dude threw me off in here.

No worries.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Most of Teddy Riley beats sound like some Jimmy Jam and Terry beats...

The production on "Nasty" is as New Jack Swing as it gets.

by this logic, I guess james brown, stevie wonder, George Clinton, etc etc etc were all new jack swing pioneers as well.

new jack swing was a combination of all different types of music, with the hip-hop vibe being the main foundation.

theres nothing hip-hop about what jam & terry were doing on "Control". theres nothing hip-hop about "nasty".
you can see the change in jam & terry's beats when the tables were turned and they became influenced by new jack swing with songs like "alright".​

And secondly, nobody is revising history. I said earlier that Whitney’s vocal talent is unmatched. That’s a fact. It’s also a fact that Whitney’s musical output is subpar and has generally been considered subpar/average. This is the same Whitney that was getting booed at awards shows in the 80s for being too commercial and watered down and pop sounding. That’s a fact. When Whitney decided to toughen up her sound later on, she went the Janet route. ALSO a fact.

What you’re overlooking is that Janet’s catalog is legendary and she has three albums easily that will never be surpassed - Rhythm Nation, Control, and The Velvet Rope. I said Whitney wins off vocal talent. But strength of discography??? Janet wins that all day, every day.

whitney didn't get boo'ed for making subpar music. she got boo'ed for making too much popcorn & she was viewed as a sellout.
if she was seen as subpar on top of that, she wouldn't have been able to bounce back from the criticism.

and her music isn't for you, nor is it for me. its for our grandmoms & maybe our moms. hell, as young as you sound, i'll say its for your great-grandmom.
people that listen to chit like Dionne warwick. of course Whitney's music isn't gonna be the rave with our crowd. we just marvel at her vocals and then keep it movin.

I'm not over-looking chit about janet. youre just in here stanning, while also being a fountain of misinformation.

and lol @ whitney going the janet route. those two singers were never remotely similar. you have no clue what youre talking about.

First of all, regarding Aaliyah. You clearly weren’t around in the 90s at all and I’m tired of having to repeat shyt every thread because you revisionist contrarian ass nikkas who weren’t around during that time always feel compelled to speak on the shyt you don’t know and didn’t experience. How was Aaliyah not impactful when she put Timbaland and Missy on?? Both of them have said working with Aaliyah got them their big mainstream break. One In A Million was first. Then Ginuwine came. Then Missy’s solo album after that. That was when they blew up. Aaliyah started that chain reaction. They have BOTH said this. And don’t act like Aaliyah was some flop, either, when baby girl was going double platinum in a year, charting #1 singles off AirPlay alone, and was heralded as a game changer and Queen BEFORE she died. Aaliyah is also your favorite artist’s favorite artist. Everybody from Drake to J Cole to Beyoncé herself has acknowledged the impact Aaliyah has had on their careers and the music industry. FOH.

this is the problem. you weren't around, and I can tell you have no oldhead base around you, so you rely on google to piece chit together.

timbo & missy tend to embellish what Aaliyah did for them. she didn't put them on. they were already on. she basically hired them to work on the majority of her album - which is a big look, especially for them coming out of their previous situation. but she didn't put them ON. she gave them a good look, and in turn they saved Aaliyah's career as well, because she was in bad standing herself.

I never said Aaliyah was a flop on the first two albums. but she was never the queen of chit. she wasn't even top 2 in her own teen princess lane. she was an enhanced studio project that wouldn't even be on if she wasn't born into her record deal. and yea, that 3rd album was a flop until she died buddy. then they milked her death to the fullest, and fooled you youngns into thinking she was running the game.

and lol @ the bolded. drake's 1st album was the clipse. and you clearly got into music around the same time as him.
j,cole is another dweeb. you listing these corny names like I'm supposed to be impressed.
of course beyonce was influenced by Aaliyah, along with the other teen singers of the '90s - some of whom, you've prolly never even heard of. btw, beyonce was bigger than Aaliyah while Aaliyah was still living.

 

[TheDarkCloud]

whitney didn't get boo'ed for making subpar music. she got boo'ed for making too much popcorn & she was viewed as a sellout.
if she was seen as subpar on top of that, she wouldn't have been able to bounce back from the criticism.

and her music isn't for you, nor is it for me. its for our grandmoms & maybe our moms. hell, as young as you sound, i'll say its for your great-grandmom.
people that listen to chit like Dionne warwick. of course Whitney's music isn't gonna be the rave with our crowd. we just marvel at her vocals and then keep it movin.

I'm not over-looking chit about janet. youre just in here stanning, while also being a fountain of misinformation.

and lol @ whitney going the janet route. those two singers were never remotely similar. you have no clue what youre talking about.





this is the problem. you weren't around, and I can tell you have no oldhead base around you, so you rely on google to piece chit together.

timbo & missy tend to embellish what Aaliyah did for them. she didn't put them on. they were already on. she basically hired them to work on the majority of her album - which is a big look, especially for them coming out of their previous situation. but she didn't put them ON. she gave them a good look, and in turn they saved Aaliyah's career as well, because she was in bad standing herself.

I never said Aaliyah was a flop on the first two albums. but she was never the queen of chit. she wasn't even top 2 in her own teen princess lane. she was an enhanced studio project that wouldn't even be on if she wasn't born into her record deal. and yea, that 3rd album was a flop until she died buddy. then they milked her death to the fullest, and fooled you youngns into thinking she was running the game.

and lol @ the bolded. drake's 1st album was the clipse. and you clearly got into music around the same time as him.
j,cole is another dweeb. you listing these corny names like I'm supposed to be impressed.
of course beyonce was influenced by Aaliyah, along with the other teen singers of the '90s - some of whom, you've prolly never even heard of. btw, beyonce was bigger than Aaliyah while Aaliyah was still living.

You have got to be the biggest dumbass posting on this site. I generally respect everybody and overlook stupidity and but you, sir, are a dumbass. Cot damn.

Let me put this in laymen terms for your retarded ass because you clearly can’t conprehend what the fukk I’m saying.

When I said Whitney went the Janet route, I’m talking about in 1990 when she started doing new jack swing on her third album to toughen her sound and image up. I never said she got booed for making subpar music. If you read my post correctly, I said she was booed for being too commercialized and pop sounding and her music was considered watered down Soul. When she started making urban music, was when she started adding new jack swing into her shyt and for the 100th time, Janet was a leader in that regard because she was already doing that shyt in 1986. What the fukk do you not understand about this?

Whitney isn’t revered today for her music because her music was not good. She’s revered for her voice and that’s fine because she was in a lane by herself. But don’t act like her catalog is anywher close to Janet’s, in any way, shape or form. Janet has albums that are genre bending and redefining. Constantly ranked as the greatest albums ever. Shut the fukk up. Whitney’s catalog isn’t even seeing Mary J’s.

And as far as Aaliyah goes, you gotta shut the fukk up about this because again, you have no idea what went on. 1996-1997 was when they blew up mainstream wise. Aaliyah came first. Then Ginuwine. Then Missy’s album. That was when they blew up and that’s a fact. How could they have helped Aaliyah when she was coming off a multi platinum debut album and they were still underground? Cot damn.

This gonna be my last post to you because you’re clearly trying to be antagonistic on purpose. You don’t even read the shyt you’re posting.

 

[JustCKing]

Vocally, it is Whitney without question. Then there's the fact that "I Will Always Love You" is a standard that is bigger than any Janet song.

With Janet, she definitely isn't seeing Whitney vocally. Her strength is the dancing and just being an overall GOAT level performer. Still, Whitney could just stand there and sing and still captivate an audience.

I think Whitney may have this not talong anything away from Janet.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Janet is my girl and my childhood crush but Janet was definitely infuential in the dance and performance aspect of the game, and yes she is successful and influential no doubt BUT the #1 knock on Janet was that she was a product of having top notch production.

Whitney Houston is a once in a lifetime talent, who arguably got too big too fast. In fact, Whitney's success opened the door for Janet to even break through that next level. I think the thing most of you guys didn't live through the the 80's so you can't really say what Whitney meant even as far back as the early 80's. Anita Baker herself credited Whitney for helping to open doors for Black female artists.

Now I could understand the answers for Janet because her music definite skewed to a younger crowd and she did revolutionize the music video in her own way unique from Michaels.

THIS.
that's all I was saying.

but I don't understand how this dude @ghetto_dreams is in here arguing me to the death, but turns around and daps you for essentially saying the same thing ive been saying for the last two pages.

You have got to be the biggest dumbass posting on this site. I generally respect everybody and overlook stupidity and but you, sir, are a dumbass. Cot damn.

stopped reading right there.

you turned around and dapped up a guy who said the same chit ive been saying all along.

I'm not wasting anymore time on idiots like yourself on this site.

get used to the curve fakkit.​

 

[TheDarkCloud]

THIS.
that's all I was saying.

but I don't understand how this dude @ghetto_dreams is in here arguing me to the death, but turns around and daps you for essentially saying the same thing ive been saying for the last two pages.

Shut the fukk up. I dapped him because his argument makes sense. You, on the other hand, in here posting stupid shyt. Talking about “Velvet Rope isn’t a magnum opus” and other dumb shyt.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Shut the fukk up. I dapped him because his argument makes sense. You, on the other hand, in here posting stupid shyt. Talking about “Velvet Rope isn’t a magnum opus” and other dumb shyt.

now youre in your feelings talking tough behind a keyboard. this is clearly the pinnacle for you. lol. you prolly don't even leave the house.

like I said, he posted the same chit I was saying. only difference is, I may have made a couple remarks that sounded off your stan signals and got you in your feelings. that's your personal problem tho.

go talk about lil yachty & lil pump. fakkit. stay in your lane.

 

[TheDarkCloud]

now youre in your feelings talking tough behind a keyboard. this is clearly the pinnacle for you. lol. you prolly don't even leave the house.

like I said, he posted the same chit I was saying. only difference is, I may have made a couple remarks that sounded off your stan signals and got you in your feelings. that's your personal problem tho.

go talk about lil yachty & lil pump. fakkit. stay in your lane.

You’ve already been proven wrong countless times, bytch.

Get the fukk on with your backwards, remedial ass. Can’t even fukkin read my posts correctly and steady posting.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

You’ve already been proven wrong countless times, bytch.

Get the fukk on with your backwards, remedial ass. Can’t even fukkin read my posts correctly and steady posting.

I got proven wrong on what??

you dapped the guy who said the same thing I was saying the whole time.

theres no way around that L. just embrace it, or run away like the rest of the chumps of your ilk.

 

[TheDarkCloud]

I got proven wrong on what??

you dapped the guy who said the same thing I was saying the whole time.

theres no way around that L. just embrace it, or run away like the rest of the chumps of your ilk.

I never run away from shyt.

He didn’t say the same thing you said. In fact, he ended his post saying “Now I do understand the answers for Janet.” However, you in here acting like it’s absurd that people are even mentioning Janet alongside Whitney. That’s the difference in your arguments right there, retard.

But you might be right. It could be considered absurd, as Janet supersedes Whitney. Fact.

fukk on somewhere.

 

[TheDarkCloud]

Janet is my girl and my childhood crush but Janet was definitely infuential in the dance and performance aspect of the game, and yes she is successful and influential no doubt BUT the #1 knock on Janet was that she was a product of having top notch production.

Whitney Houston is a once in a lifetime talent, who arguably got too big too fast. In fact, Whitney's success opened the door for Janet to even break through that next level. I think the thing most of you guys didn't live through the the 80's so you can't really say what Whitney meant even as far back as the early 80's. Anita Baker herself credited Whitney for helping to open doors for Black female artists.

Now I could understand the answers for Janet because her music definite skewed to a younger crowd and she did revolutionize the music video in her own way unique from Michaels.

Now, on to this post.

Whitney’s talent was undeniable. But besides her voice, what else did she bring to the table?

Janet was definitely more innovative and she’s a lot more emulated today than Whitney is.

 

[frush11]

Janet and its not close for me

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I never run away from shyt.

He didn’t say the same thing you said. In fact, he ended his post saying “Now I do understand the answers for Janet.” However, you in here acting like it’s absurd that people are even mentioning Janet alongside Whitney. That’s the difference in your arguments right there, retard.

But you might be right. It could be considered absurd, as Janet supersedes Whitney. Fact.

fukk on somewhere.

I said all of that as well.

so basically, you dapped him because he said it nicely.

LOL. youre soft.

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And as far as Aaliyah goes, you gotta shut the fukk up about this because again, you have no idea what went on. 1996-1997 was when they blew up mainstream wise. Aaliyah came first. Then Ginuwine. Then Missy’s album. That was when they blew up and that’s a fact. How could they have helped Aaliyah when she was coming off a multi platinum debut album and they were still underground? Cot damn.

This gonna be my last post to you because you’re clearly trying to be antagonistic on purpose. You don’t even read the shyt you’re posting.

you googled the release dates.

yea, Aaliyah dropped first, but Ginuwine's album blew up first. also, Ginuwine had a deal over at Epic. he wasn't signed to Aaliyah's uncle. do ya googles.

the "one in a million" album was a slow-burn and took like 4-5 months to go gold. the sales-spike came later when they dropped videos for "one in a million"(the song) and "4-page letter".

meanwhile, Ginuwine's album blew up huge out the gate with PONY. people forget he was the biggest draw when the crew was together...........well you didn't forget. you weren't around.

 

[TheDarkCloud]

I said all of that as well.

so basically, you dapped him because he said it nicely.

LOL. youre soft.

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you googled the release dates.

yea, Aaliyah dropped first, but Ginuwine's album blew up first. also, Ginuwine had a deal over at Epic. he wasn't signed to Aaliyah's uncle. do ya googles.

I dapped him because he answered the question and explained why. Three pages and I’m still trying to figure out what your argument is besides shytting on Janet. All I’ve gotten is that Velvet Rope isn’t a magnum opus and you don’t know what new jack swing is. What else do you have to contribute to this thread, bytch??

And I don’t need to google shyt. But I’m still confused as to your point because your argument is incoherent as fukk.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I dapped him because he answered the question and explained why. Three pages and I’m still trying to figure out what your argument is besides shytting on Janet. All I’ve gotten is that Velvet Rope isn’t a magnum opus and you don’t know what new jack swing is. What else do you have to contribute to this thread, bytch??

And I don’t need to google shyt. But I’m still confused as to your point because your argument is incoherent as fukk.

feel free to come out here and call me a "bytch" to my face. if not, don't play yourself. we both know you sweet.

so basically, the bolded is why youre so mad. thanks for clearing that up clown.