Brett Favre
LAMAR IS ABOUT TO BE
THE 1ST PLAYER EVER WITH 3 MVPS
IN THEIR 1ST 7 SEASONS.
YOU GIVE IT UP
If Lamar is considered "Lamar Drexler/McGrady" here, who are the NBA equivalents of J Allen & Burrow?
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AND LET ME ROCK nikka
I got you, I didnt Google it, though. It was in my head, already. Knowing that Favre was a young man, who still is the only man to win 3 straight
AFTER I POST IT
AND LET ME ROCK nikka
IsThatBrothaMouzone?
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Mahomes is MJ because he's keeping an entire generation of guys from winning a ring.
Allen = not 100% on this one. Kinda makes me think of David Robinson. Big/strong, likeable dude in what's seen as a smaller market. Will probably need some help to finally win a title. He can singlehandedly keep you competitive at least
Burrow = Patrick Ewing. Amazing in college. Great in the pros. Had a shot at a ring but may never get another chance
Lamar = Malone. Consistent, wins MVPs but just can't get it done when it matters. Doesn't matter what you do, it always falls apart at clutch time
Allen = not 100% on this one. Kinda makes me think of David Robinson. Big/strong, likeable dude in what's seen as a smaller market. Will probably need some help to finally win a title. He can singlehandedly keep you competitive at least
Burrow = Patrick Ewing. Amazing in college. Great in the pros. Had a shot at a ring but may never get another chance
Lamar = Malone. Consistent, wins MVPs but just can't get it done when it matters. Doesn't matter what you do, it always falls apart at clutch time
That was a seriously, well thought out and accurate analogy
murksiderock
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We gotta stop doing this, I've already illustrated how Mahomes has the age advantage over almost all the good-to-great QBs...
Mike was in Y7 when he won his first title. If Mahomes wins in 10 days, it'll be 4-2 over Mike at the same stage in his career. The difference is that when Mike started winning, most of his peers were in his age range...
If you run down the best QBs in football today, here is the season they just finished in 2024:
Year 9
Goff
Dak
Year 8
**Mahomes**
Year 7
Allen
Lamar
Baker
Darnold
Year 6
Kyler
Year 5
Hurts
Tua
Burrow
Herbert
Year 4
Love
Year 3
Purdy
Year 2
CJ
Year 1
Jayden
Nix
He's not keeping all the old guys from winning titles, they all got one (Russ, Rodgers, Padford), so what generation is he keeping from winning championships?
Allen is the only guy he's beaten multiple times in the playoffs, so you can say this about Allen. You can't say this about anyone else. First of all, if you're more than 3 draft classes younger than Mahomes, you don't even have the time in to be considered a competitor yet (so drafted in 2021 or after)...
Dak and Goff are both a year older than Mahomes, but Mahomes ain't the reason these guys haven't won. Dak is a habitual playoff choke artist, that's not Mahomes' work. Goff has led a Super Bowl run and two NFC Championship runs, he's in the other conference, Mahomes ain't stopping shyt...
People quickly forget that both Lamar AND Burrow have BOTH had two seasons cut short by injury, so in addition to being younger than Mahomes, the injuries mean that they have less experience than they'd have if healthy. Darnold and Baker both fukking sucked most of their careers, they weren't good enough to be kept from shyt
Kyler and Tua are the definitions of mid, so they aren't good enough to make the convo, and while Herbert is good enough, he's either never in the playoffs or losing his playoff appearance in historic meltdown fashion. Neither of his playoff games were vs Mahomes...
So what "generation" is Mahomes shutting out?
Here's what's about to happen, because you nikkas don't follow history and think shyt stays sweet forever:
This dynastic Chiefs run is near its end, if this year isn't the last year of it, next year is the final one. That's NFL history, dynasties don't last longer than 7 years...
We're about to see a real reshuffling of the deck, now that his division is loaded with HOF coaches at every team, and these younger QBs and teams mature. Mahomes has battled injuries but never lost real time because of them, so compared to several of his peers (Lamar, Burrow), he's avoided a real injury year. And he'd be wise to adapt his play style soon, because the way he plays isn't conducive to staying healthy the older he gets...
I think barring injury, Mahomes and the Chiefs will always be contenders in the same way the Patriots and Brady were, so long as he remains in his prime. But, the second half of the 2020s, is likely to see a new guy winning it every season, some guys are about to get theirs...
ALL THE OTHER GREAT QBs are YOUNGER THAN MAHOMES. These guys are about to have their time to shine...
Bookmark it!
fifth column
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The MJ thing aside, Mahomes is going for his 4th SB in year 8 so the young guys are just young guys at this point.We gotta stop doing this, I've already illustrated how Mahomes has the age advantage over almost all the good-to-great QBs...
Mike was in Y7 when he won his first title. If Mahomes wins in 10 days, it'll be 4-2 over Mike at the same stage in his career. The difference is that when Mike started winning, most of his peers were in his age range...
If you run down the best QBs in football today, here is the season they just finished in 2024:
Year 9
Goff
Dak
Year 8
**Mahomes**
Year 7
Allen
Lamar
Baker
Darnold
Year 6
Kyler
Year 5
Hurts
Tua
Burrow
Herbert
Year 4
Love
Year 3
Purdy
Year 2
CJ
Year 1
Jayden
Nix
He's not keeping all the old guys from winning titles, they all got one (Russ, Rodgers, Padford), so what generation is he keeping from winning championships?
Allen is the only guy he's beaten multiple times in the playoffs, so you can say this about Allen. You can't say this about anyone else. First of all, if you're more than 3 draft classes younger than Mahomes, you don't even have the time in to be considered a competitor yet (so drafted in 2021 or after)...
Dak and Goff are both a year older than Mahomes, but Mahomes ain't the reason these guys haven't won. Dak is a habitual playoff choke artist, that's not Mahomes' work. Goff has led a Super Bowl run and two NFC Championship runs, he's in the other conference, Mahomes ain't stopping shyt...
People quickly forget that both Lamar AND Burrow have BOTH had two seasons cut short by injury, so in addition to being younger than Mahomes, the injuries mean that they have less experience than they'd have if healthy. Darnold and Baker both fukking sucked most of their careers, they weren't good enough to be kept from shyt
Kyler and Tua are the definitions of mid, so they aren't good enough to make the convo, and while Herbert is good enough, he's either never in the playoffs or losing his playoff appearance in historic meltdown fashion. Neither of his playoff games were vs Mahomes...
So what "generation" is Mahomes shutting out?
Here's what's about to happen, because you nikkas don't follow history and think shyt stays sweet forever:
This dynastic Chiefs run is near its end, if this year isn't the last year of it, next year is the final one. That's NFL history, dynasties don't last longer than 7 years...
We're about to see a real reshuffling of the deck, now that his division is loaded with HOF coaches at every team, and these younger QBs and teams mature. Mahomes has battled injuries but never lost real time because of them, so compared to several of his peers (Lamar, Burrow), he's avoided a real injury year. And he'd be wise to adapt his play style soon, because the way he plays isn't conducive to staying healthy the older he gets...
I think barring injury, Mahomes and the Chiefs will always be contenders in the same way the Patriots and Brady were, so long as he remains in his prime. But, the second half of the 2020s, is likely to see a new guy winning it every season, some guys are about to get theirs...
ALL THE OTHER GREAT QBs are YOUNGER THAN MAHOMES. These guys are about to have their time to shine...
Bookmark it!
murksiderock
Superstar
Which is the point I'm making. He hasn't kept these young mf's from shyt, they aren't even anywhere near there apex yet...
Two of his direct peers have lost multiple seasons to injury...
Mahomes has had more fortune than majority of his counterparts. Now, the fact he plays better in big games than everybody, is a him thing, and he deserves and gets his flowers for that. But to be in contention so often, he's had a ton of breaks go his way, from the very start of being drafted to that coach/GM combo, and being allowed to learn from a vet on a team that was already an annual playoff team----->instead of being forced to start immediately on a team that is annually terrible, like Jayden for example...
His run will never be forgotten, and thus far he's the greatest player of the era, his competition has miles of ground to go to catch up. But most of his peers are multiple years younger than him. These guys will get their opportunities This back half of the decade...
VegetasHairline
Veteran
How the hell can you hate on Patrick Mahomes but defend James Harden?
Clark Wayne
Superstar
@murksiderock i don't think we can put a time table on the Chiefs dynasty just yet in regards to your 7 year analysis.
Having Andy & Spags is a cheat code. Kelce will be gone and Chris Jones might be on the decline but Veach as GM will keep the roster solid.
Add in the Chiefs having a Patriots mystique now where teams seem to self destruct or always come up short against them.
Lamar & Josh are in good situations and will have their chances. Burrow is the one I’m not so sure of, and that’s because of the team he plays for.
Having Andy & Spags is a cheat code. Kelce will be gone and Chris Jones might be on the decline but Veach as GM will keep the roster solid.
Add in the Chiefs having a Patriots mystique now where teams seem to self destruct or always come up short against them.
Lamar & Josh are in good situations and will have their chances. Burrow is the one I’m not so sure of, and that’s because of the team he plays for.
murksiderock
Superstar
I mean Belichick was a cheat code and those guys still went a decade between championships...
I'm definitely not predicting a 10-year title drought for Mahomes and the Chiefs. But winning it all is hard, and maintaining that over a long period of time is even harder. You're not gonna just up and replace Kelce and Jones' historic production and intellect. You'll draft well and fill their roles with solid starters, but you won't just be able to replace those guys!
Look at the Tyreek thing. Year 3 without Tyreek and they still don't have an adequate replacement, and they've gone thru every option from former great (Hop) to run of the mill vet (Juju) to young dynamos with potential (Rice, Worthy). They've been able to keep winning titles, in part, because they have All-Time anchors at a skill offensive position who ups his game in the playoffs, and the most important defensive talent there is (rushing the passer)...
If the Chiefs had just a " really good" tight end, but not historically great one; and just a good d-lineman, bit not a historically great one who could both inside and outside like Jones, would this run post-Tyreek be identical? If you had Dalton Kincaid or Zach Ertz in Kelce's role, or Vita Vea or Johnathan Allen instead of Chris Jones?
It was hard for the Patriots to replace Richard Seymour and Vince Wilfork, they never truly did. And they went thru plenty of receiving tight ends before they hit on Gronk...
As long as Veach, Andy, and Spags are there, the Chiefs will be a contender. But there are looming threats, as some of their great players age out, and there is a combo within their own division (Paton/Payton/Joseph) that is pretty damn formidable, now that they've hit on a quarterback, it seems. They've already built quite a damn good roster....
The Chiefs will be elite so long as Mahomes is in his prime and they have the GM/HC/DC trio they currently have. The continuation of the dynasty though, is hinging upon a bunch of other moving parts, their defense, while still elite relative to this season, already took a step back this year, from what it was the past two championship years...
fifth column
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So Mahomes is 29 yrs old with already 3 and maybe soon to be 4 sb, Lamar is 28, Allen is 28, Burrow is 28, Hurts is 26. These are his contemporaries that ain’t winning shyt cause he’s dominating.
Ain’t nobody eating until Mahomes throws out the scraps breh
murksiderock
Superstar
When I say "age" I mean experience, not birth date...
Allen has no excuse, he's been healthy and played 16+ games every single year since Y2, but he's 0-4 vs the Chiefs. Hrs being blocked by Mahomes, some plays he makes in the clutch, Mahomes just doesn't make (his last drive vs KC last week, Mahomes doesn't typically miss those plays). No excuse for Allen at this point...
I think Lamar gets a slight asterisk, there are two seasons (2022, 2021) he couldn't finish due to injury. 3 of the last 4 complete seasons he's had (2024, 2023, 2019), he's been the MVP of the entire league. From a development aspect, let's day he completes '22 and '21, the version we have of him in '24 is likely breaking thru to a title. It's not a poor inference given we can chart his year-to-year growth...but I do think you can hold him accountable for the bad playoff games, as he's just a year behind Mahomes...
Burrow is 3 draft classes behind Pat, + lost two years to injury. He's the only active to guy to beat Mahomes, and almost beat him again in '22 (his late pick cost them, though in the '22 AFCCG, bit they were right there). I don't think there's nearly enough cons there, for him to receive the vitriol he gets on this board...
Everybody else, save Dak and Goff, who incidentally play in the other bracket, are just too young. Mahomes aomt keeping anybody but Josh Allen and the Bills from winning...
