If He Dies, He Dies : GGG introduces Canelo to 160 - The Official Canelo Vs GGG Thread
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naw...thats going to happen to hughie fury though after parker is done with him
When the Gypsy Prince schools that bootleg Alex Leapai, #GypsyGang will be celebrating in the streets.
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Monster Breadman mailbag, with a lot of good stuff. Here you go:
1. You make a great point. There are guys that I don’t think Canelo would beat at 154 and possibly 160. I think GGG can beat more people of you lined up guys at 154 and 160. But Canelo does pass the eye ball test to an extent. You can see his talent. He also fought Lara a guy no one really wants to fight. He’s also had favorable matchmaking because of his marketability. Therefore he has been able to get fights and a platform that they fighters you named can’t get. Right or wrong, we know more about Canelo and he has achieved more because of this.
For example he got to fight Khan and ko him. We can assume most of the others would have but he actually did it. He got to fight Liam Smith and James Kirkland and KO them. He got to fight Cotto and beat him. None of these other young guns can get those kind of fights. Think about that. Canelo’s lofty ranking is directly connected to his marketability.
But this does not mean he can’t beat GGG. He has a good shot whether you accept it or not. When you have a machine behind you and favorable matchmaking where the variables of a fight usually benefit you, your chances become greater. Canelo is never up against it in a fight. On top of that, he can fight and does have talent.
2. I don’t have a problem on how Canelo was prepped. If he fought all of the guys you named he would possibly lose and the Super Fight would not be a Super Fight anymore. You have to factor in the matchmaking. It’s one of the reasons why I don’t attack GGG’s resume. Fighters just don’t play with slick boxers like Willie Monore, Brutal punchers like David Lemiuex and Curtis Stevens, and big well rounded guys like Martin Murray. Canelo surely didn’t try any of them to prep for the big dog. It’s simply easier to match Canelo than it is GGG.
You also have to factor in Canelo’s confidence. If he struggles with any of the aforementioned then his confidence could get shot going into the GGG fight. I get what you’re saying but for a fighter with the aura of Canelo they did the right thing in staying away from the guys you named.
3. GGG does better against the field. Meaning he punches so hard that he beats more people. But that doesn’t mean he beats Canelo. Foreman did better vs Frazier and Norton than Ali. But Ali beat Foreman. You can’t go by that.
4. GGG is very clever and skillful. He’s accurate and he has special punch variety and delivery. His defense is probably his weakest area. It isn’t horrible because he can’t over move. If he did he wouldn’t be a destroyer. It’s just not Chavez Sr or Duran for that style. It will be a key in this fight. I think he’s very skillful. Punchers don’t get the tag of being skillful because they end their fights on physicality.
Canelo is also very skillful. He has great punch sequence and delivery. His combinations could be the most unique I have ever seen. He really runs them off. He also is a great counter puncher. He’s short so he has developed a slip and roll game. His skill is more noticeable. It’s loud but it’s real.
5. In all honesty I favored GGG more a year ago. Maybe Danny Jacobs did fight over his head. Maybe he fought better than he ever has or will again. That can happen. But GGG was a little slow in getting off vs Jacobs for some reason. Maybe it was Jacobs, maybe it was him. But here is the thing. When a fighter has difficulty in 2 fights in a row at 35 years old, the masses will criticize. At the end of the day, who cares what “they” say. Here is Golovkin’s chance to show he hasn’t slowed. Personally I don’t like to hold a small microcosm as the rule. Fighters can have off nights in their primes. So when a guy has an off night at 35 we say he’s old. It’s almost not fair but 35 is a drop off age for clean fighters. So…
6. This fight needs to be done under VADA. So much depends on it if it’s not we can get a tainted result. I heard it is. But the thing about drug testing is if it doesn’t start before the camp then I don’t believe in it all the way. You can cycle for the few months you are waiting to announce the fight then taper off once the fight gets signed and go through camp with the benefits. 75% of the top guys I suspect of cheating these days. It’s pretty obvious. One of the reasons why this fight has closed in odds is because GGG is 35 and has been testing VADA, so he has looked human vs top level fighters.
7. It just depends on who the judges are. Some judges are influenced and some call good fights and are objective. I assume each team will pick good judges that favor their style and have not turned in any off cards.
Canelo did well early vs Floyd but CJ Ross overcompensated down the stretch. Floyd took over in the 2nd half of the fight. What was bizarre to me was Ross had already turned in a bad scorecard in Pacquiao vs Bradley1. No one flagged her. She was still allowed to score Mayweather vs Canelo. If I see a judge on this panel that has turned in a really odd scorecard then it will make me uneasy. Canelo has always received the benefit of doubt. But he does throw judge friendly eye catching punches and he is the crowd favorite. It scares me for GGG because GGG is the plodder in this fight like Hagler was vs Leonard.
To be fair though GGG got full credit for his work vs Danny Jacobs. I know a large % of boxing insiders who feel Jacobs won. So it’s not like GGG has been screwed over before. Let’s hope the judges call it fair.
1. You make a great point. There are guys that I don’t think Canelo would beat at 154 and possibly 160. I think GGG can beat more people of you lined up guys at 154 and 160. But Canelo does pass the eye ball test to an extent. You can see his talent. He also fought Lara a guy no one really wants to fight. He’s also had favorable matchmaking because of his marketability. Therefore he has been able to get fights and a platform that they fighters you named can’t get. Right or wrong, we know more about Canelo and he has achieved more because of this.
For example he got to fight Khan and ko him. We can assume most of the others would have but he actually did it. He got to fight Liam Smith and James Kirkland and KO them. He got to fight Cotto and beat him. None of these other young guns can get those kind of fights. Think about that. Canelo’s lofty ranking is directly connected to his marketability.
But this does not mean he can’t beat GGG. He has a good shot whether you accept it or not. When you have a machine behind you and favorable matchmaking where the variables of a fight usually benefit you, your chances become greater. Canelo is never up against it in a fight. On top of that, he can fight and does have talent.
2. I don’t have a problem on how Canelo was prepped. If he fought all of the guys you named he would possibly lose and the Super Fight would not be a Super Fight anymore. You have to factor in the matchmaking. It’s one of the reasons why I don’t attack GGG’s resume. Fighters just don’t play with slick boxers like Willie Monore, Brutal punchers like David Lemiuex and Curtis Stevens, and big well rounded guys like Martin Murray. Canelo surely didn’t try any of them to prep for the big dog. It’s simply easier to match Canelo than it is GGG.
You also have to factor in Canelo’s confidence. If he struggles with any of the aforementioned then his confidence could get shot going into the GGG fight. I get what you’re saying but for a fighter with the aura of Canelo they did the right thing in staying away from the guys you named.
3. GGG does better against the field. Meaning he punches so hard that he beats more people. But that doesn’t mean he beats Canelo. Foreman did better vs Frazier and Norton than Ali. But Ali beat Foreman. You can’t go by that.
4. GGG is very clever and skillful. He’s accurate and he has special punch variety and delivery. His defense is probably his weakest area. It isn’t horrible because he can’t over move. If he did he wouldn’t be a destroyer. It’s just not Chavez Sr or Duran for that style. It will be a key in this fight. I think he’s very skillful. Punchers don’t get the tag of being skillful because they end their fights on physicality.
Canelo is also very skillful. He has great punch sequence and delivery. His combinations could be the most unique I have ever seen. He really runs them off. He also is a great counter puncher. He’s short so he has developed a slip and roll game. His skill is more noticeable. It’s loud but it’s real.
5. In all honesty I favored GGG more a year ago. Maybe Danny Jacobs did fight over his head. Maybe he fought better than he ever has or will again. That can happen. But GGG was a little slow in getting off vs Jacobs for some reason. Maybe it was Jacobs, maybe it was him. But here is the thing. When a fighter has difficulty in 2 fights in a row at 35 years old, the masses will criticize. At the end of the day, who cares what “they” say. Here is Golovkin’s chance to show he hasn’t slowed. Personally I don’t like to hold a small microcosm as the rule. Fighters can have off nights in their primes. So when a guy has an off night at 35 we say he’s old. It’s almost not fair but 35 is a drop off age for clean fighters. So…
6. This fight needs to be done under VADA. So much depends on it if it’s not we can get a tainted result. I heard it is. But the thing about drug testing is if it doesn’t start before the camp then I don’t believe in it all the way. You can cycle for the few months you are waiting to announce the fight then taper off once the fight gets signed and go through camp with the benefits. 75% of the top guys I suspect of cheating these days. It’s pretty obvious. One of the reasons why this fight has closed in odds is because GGG is 35 and has been testing VADA, so he has looked human vs top level fighters.
7. It just depends on who the judges are. Some judges are influenced and some call good fights and are objective. I assume each team will pick good judges that favor their style and have not turned in any off cards.
Canelo did well early vs Floyd but CJ Ross overcompensated down the stretch. Floyd took over in the 2nd half of the fight. What was bizarre to me was Ross had already turned in a bad scorecard in Pacquiao vs Bradley1. No one flagged her. She was still allowed to score Mayweather vs Canelo. If I see a judge on this panel that has turned in a really odd scorecard then it will make me uneasy. Canelo has always received the benefit of doubt. But he does throw judge friendly eye catching punches and he is the crowd favorite. It scares me for GGG because GGG is the plodder in this fight like Hagler was vs Leonard.
To be fair though GGG got full credit for his work vs Danny Jacobs. I know a large % of boxing insiders who feel Jacobs won. So it’s not like GGG has been screwed over before. Let’s hope the judges call it fair.
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Bread’s Response: They both look ready to go. But Canelo looks maniacal. His intensity looks next level. He’s locked in because he knows the danger of his opponent. The technical thing that stands out is Canelo is countering on the pads in combination. His hands are also faster. GGG really has work cut out for him because multiple flashier shots will catch the judges attention more than methodical power punches.
I hate that you asked me about the aura I feel. Because I do have one and I hate it because I can’t shake it. I just can’t. I don’t even want to speak on it at this time.
You have good boxing eyes. Canelo’s stance defends against uppercuts better. He doesn’t bend his head over his front foot. GGG is more squared up and he bends more. I think Canelo’s uppercut will land often.
I agree about the last two opponents. GGG had to fight who was willing to fight him. Canelo gets to fight who he wants to fight. GGG stops Liam Smith in 3 rounds and Chavez within 7. Brook while still undefeated would have been right with Canelo and I feel the Danny Jacobs who fought GGG would outpoint Canelo. So you make a great point but here is the thing. That’s why so much is in Canelo’s favor because he doesn’t have to take those kinds of fights. It’s not fair but it’s the game.
I hate that you asked me about the aura I feel. Because I do have one and I hate it because I can’t shake it. I just can’t. I don’t even want to speak on it at this time.
You have good boxing eyes. Canelo’s stance defends against uppercuts better. He doesn’t bend his head over his front foot. GGG is more squared up and he bends more. I think Canelo’s uppercut will land often.
I agree about the last two opponents. GGG had to fight who was willing to fight him. Canelo gets to fight who he wants to fight. GGG stops Liam Smith in 3 rounds and Chavez within 7. Brook while still undefeated would have been right with Canelo and I feel the Danny Jacobs who fought GGG would outpoint Canelo. So you make a great point but here is the thing. That’s why so much is in Canelo’s favor because he doesn’t have to take those kinds of fights. It’s not fair but it’s the game.
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Bread’s Response: GGG is not hard to figure out. He’s very simple. He comes forward behind a jab and he tries to wreck your life. He’s hard to beat however because he’s vicious puncher with both hands, he has pedigree, he’s accurate, he has a great chin and he does not stop coming. In my opinion this fight comes down to 2 things. Can Canelo take his punches without putting his offense away? When Canelo gets tired can he overcome it and still win rounds. It’s that simple. If Canelo can do those two things he wins. I just don’t know if he can…..
Bread’s Response: I f you don’t have money to lose stay away from GGG vs Canelo. I don’t have an exact grasp on the fight. I’m slightly leaning GGG but there are variables out of the bettors control. Judges, subjective preference and GGG’s slow starts. I think the fight goes the distance… I lean GGG but expect lots of controversy and your pockets don’t understand controversy.
Bread’s Response: I f you don’t have money to lose stay away from GGG vs Canelo. I don’t have an exact grasp on the fight. I’m slightly leaning GGG but there are variables out of the bettors control. Judges, subjective preference and GGG’s slow starts. I think the fight goes the distance… I lean GGG but expect lots of controversy and your pockets don’t understand controversy.
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Bread’s Response: GGG is not hard to figure out. He’s very simple. He comes forward behind a jab and he tries to wreck your life. He’s hard to beat however because he’s vicious puncher with both hands, he has pedigree, he’s accurate, he has a great chin and he does not stop coming. In my opinion this fight comes down to 2 things. Can Canelo take his punches without putting his offense away? When Canelo gets tired can he overcome it and still win rounds. It’s that simple. If Canelo can do those two things he wins. I just don’t know if he can…..
Bleed The Freak
Superstar
Funny part is I'm not even biased. When Canelo fought Jose Cotto, Josesito Lopez, Cintron, I thought it was a hype job.
But when he went to fight Punisher (damn sad) and it fell through and then looked good against Lara and Trout you saw his progression. Those dudes are a bytch to fight. And whether you think he won he got the look and feel of their styles. He added new wrinkles. He took the disappointment of Floyd and worked on his skillset. He went from a slow plodder with stamina issues to a damn good boxer.
He wasn't facing Euro bums (most of GGG shyt) who wilted, but skilled practitioners. GGG really needed a prime Sergio or Taylor or Pavlik. Not his fault, but Kell Brook and Jacobs showed me a dude who has slow feet and poor head and upper body movement saved by a once in a lifetime chin and jab. It would not shock me one bit if he's eating combos from Canelo mixed with uppercuts and body shots.
But when he went to fight Punisher (damn sad) and it fell through and then looked good against Lara and Trout you saw his progression. Those dudes are a bytch to fight. And whether you think he won he got the look and feel of their styles. He added new wrinkles. He took the disappointment of Floyd and worked on his skillset. He went from a slow plodder with stamina issues to a damn good boxer.
He wasn't facing Euro bums (most of GGG shyt) who wilted, but skilled practitioners. GGG really needed a prime Sergio or Taylor or Pavlik. Not his fault, but Kell Brook and Jacobs showed me a dude who has slow feet and poor head and upper body movement saved by a once in a lifetime chin and jab. It would not shock me one bit if he's eating combos from Canelo mixed with uppercuts and body shots.
But Canelo doesn't move backwards and throw when he fights like they did vs GGG though. He plants his feet & is always standing in the pocket when he throws.
There are plenty +'s & -'s for both combatants this weekend......so may the best man win
Jmare007
pico pal q lee
If triple g had slow feet he wouldn't have been able to keep up with Danny, Monroe, brooks. He found all of them, canelo on the other hand has looked like a statue.
Breh they think canelo is Floyd or pernel.. canelo is going to be standing there with his hands up, if he drops his hands and tries to look cute he's getting laid out. He's gonna have that high guard and triple g has no problem getting around that.... getting hit behind the ear or on top of the head like Rubio.But Canelo doesn't move backwards and throw when he fights like they did vs GGG though. He plants his feet & is always standing in the pocket when he throws.
There are plenty +'s & -'s for both combatants this weekend......so may the best man win