If He Dies, He Dies : GGG introduces Canelo to 160 - The Official Canelo Vs GGG Thread

[reservoirdogs]

I agree with you in that Canelo didn't seem as fast as I thought at the workout and GGG when showing off his speed looked pretty quick at the workout.
However, I look at that with major caution because there is the natural fight speed and I expect Canelo to operate faster than GGG. GGG is more methodical and doesn't use any speed in his fights.

The power difference was huge as you said. Canelo was definitely trying to push power onto his punches and they still didn't have near the power as GGG's did just flowing like water.

That said it comes down to the basic things to me: even though GGG hits harder, is Canelo's power enough to keep GGG honest and how big a factor will Canelo's functional speed advantage be - can he make it harder to time like Brook did?

this is one of the major delusions about this fight imo

Golovkin has huge power so people kinda look over the fact that Canelo is also a hard puncher, he has real power and proved it plenty of times. No way that anybody just walks though his punches in 160. Canelo either KTFO or hurt just about everybody he fought except Mayweather and that's because Canelo couldn't hit him clean not because Canelo's power is shyt.

Golovkin will be there to be hit
Canelo is faster
Canelo has better defense
Canelo is younger and in his physical prime

If Canelo could keep Chavez - who has a god chin and the only time he got stopped was against a natural lhw who's a good puncher in there - honest so much that he didn't even really dare to lead an offense then he has enough power to make Golovkin think twice

I never really understood how the idea that Golovkin just gonna walk through Canelo came up
If Golovkin tries to do the same shyt as against Brook, it's gonna be night-night for him

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

this is one of the major delusions about this fight imo

Golovkin has huge power so people kinda look over the fact that Canelo is also a hard puncher, he has real power and proved it plenty of times. No way that anybody just walks though his punches in 160. Canelo either KTFO or hurt just about everybody he fought except Mayweather and that's because Canelo couldn't hit him clean not because Canelo's power is shyt.

Golovkin will be there to be hit
Canelo is faster
Canelo has better defense
Canelo is younger and in his physical prime

If Canelo could keep Chavez - who has a god chin and the only time he got stopped was against a natural lhw who's a good puncher in there - honest so much that he didn't even really dare to lead an offense then he has enough power to make Golovkin think twice

I never really understood how the idea that Golovkin just gonna walk through Canelo came up
If Golovkin tries to do the same shyt as against Brook, it's gonna be night-night for him

Maybe I worded it wrong. I know Canelo has legit power. GGG will be kept honest by Canelo's power in the sense that he won't just discard his punches like he has some previous opponents. What I mean is that due to Canelo's speed advantage GGG may have to work his way inside and have to risk being hit by punches. Does Canelo have enough power to dissuade that? We saw vs. Brook that GGG wasn't dissuaded at all and walk right through it to get to him (although I don't think Canelo is as fast as Brook). But vs. Jacobs, he had enough power that GGG wasn't going to let himself eat a flush shot to land one.

If Canelo's power is strong enough that GGG won't take any chances, that is a huge bonus for Canelo's odds to win.

 

[GzUp]

No excuses breh Canelo taking the belts, and I'm taking that avi @GzUp

 

[GzUp]

this is one of the major delusions about this fight imo

Golovkin has huge power so people kinda look over the fact that Canelo is also a hard puncher, he has real power and proved it plenty of times. No way that anybody just walks though his punches in 160. Canelo either KTFO or hurt just about everybody he fought except Mayweather and that's because Canelo couldn't hit him clean not because Canelo's power is shyt.

Golovkin will be there to be hit
Canelo is faster
Canelo has better defense
Canelo is younger and in his physical prime

If Canelo could keep Chavez - who has a god chin and the only time he got stopped was against a natural lhw who's a good puncher in there - honest so much that he didn't even really dare to lead an offense then he has enough power to make Golovkin think twice

I never really understood how the idea that Golovkin just gonna walk through Canelo came up
If Golovkin tries to do the same shyt as against Brook, it's gonna be night-night for him

Triple G is not going to walk through his punches like he did against Brook and Monroe, he will respect his power like he did david, stevens and danny. What we saying is triple g has seen bigger punchers then canelo so thats not going to be a problem, Hes also seen fighters with fast hands.

Triple g will get hit but he wont be there to be hit like you think, he wasnt there to be hit vs david, danny or stevens.
Canelo has faster hands but has slow feet so at the end of the day his speed doesnt mean much really, the faster fighter will be triple g.

Canelo couldnt ko chavez but he couldnt even stop him. He was busy standing between rounds maybe he should have used his energy and went for a stoppage. Stopping people is something people over look, sometimes u cant knock everyone out cuz u dont have the power but u can go in there and put so much punishment that the ref will stop it, canelo failed at that.

 

[patscorpio]

Canelo couldnt ko chavez but he couldnt even stop him. He was busy standing between rounds maybe he should have used his energy and went for a stoppage. Stopping people is something people over look, sometimes u cant knock everyone out cuz u dont have the power but u can go in there and put so much punishment that the ref will stop it, canelo failed at that.

This.. this is one of significant reasons why Canelo-Jr was shytted on. On that same card Lemieux inflicted more of a beating, a brutal one at that, on Reyes in 10 rounds than Canelo did to Jr in 12 rounds. Jr was a walking dead man and Canelo didn't even come close to forcing a stoppage and Jr was barely marked at the end

 

[GzUp]

This.. this is one of significant reasons why Canelo-Jr was shytted on. On that same card Lemieux inflicted more of a beating, a brutal one at that, on Reyes in 10 rounds than Canelo did to Jr in 12 rounds. Jr was a walking dead man and Canelo didn't even come close to forcing a stoppage and Jr was barely marked at the end

He doesnt have the dog in him tbh.

He couldnt even get cotto out of there either?.... Cotto swells really easy and he looked fresh after the fight too.

 

[patscorpio]

He doesnt have the dog in him tbh.

He couldnt even get cotto out of there either?.... Cotto swells really easy and he looked fresh after the fight too.

And it's not like Canelo is foreign to being able to do that...he tried his damnedest to get Shane Mosley out of there..he didn't stop him but it was a fight that should have been....didnt see that type of effort in the Jr fight at all

 

[reservoirdogs]

Triple G is not going to walk through his punches like he did against Brook and Monroe, he will respect his power like he did david, stevens and danny. What we saying is triple g has seen bigger punchers then canelo so thats not going to be a problem, Hes also seen fighters with fast hands.

maybe... But the experience advantage is still on Canelo's side, despite Golovkin being 300something-5 on amateur fights and being 35.
From both aspect, think about it...
if you look at strictly who has faced better opponents then Canelo name comes up. Make a top 5 list of opponents they beat, 3 out of 5 will be Canelo's, make a top 5 list of opponents they faced 4 out of 5 will be Canelo's.

also in a stylistic sense: GGG has met fast and also strong fighters, true, Canelo met them too but I think while Canelo has met fighters who represent Golovkin's pressuring style - just on a lower level - Golovkin hasn't yet met with a Canelo type of stalking combination counter puncher.

Triple g will get hit but he wont be there to be hit like you think, he wasnt there to be hit vs david, danny or stevens.
Canelo has faster hands but has slow feet so at the end of the day his speed doesnt mean much really, the faster fighter will be triple g.

I think he used to have a better defense but it diminished plus he never met a puncher as sharp as Canelo, ye not even Jacobs. btw strange that you entioned Jacobs, I think he tagged Golovkin many times and Golovkin didn't really pull out any defensive moves to stop him from doing that, Lemieux was the best Golovkin defense wise but things happened since, Golovkin got older, never looked that good again since and Lemieux is pretty crude anyway, not like Canelo.

Canelo couldnt ko chavez but he couldnt even stop him. He was busy standing between rounds maybe he should have used his energy and went for a stoppage. Stopping people is something people over look, sometimes u cant knock everyone out cuz u dont have the power but u can go in there and put so much punishment that the ref will stop it, canelo failed at that.

Nah man... I can't blame him for not stopping JCC Jr. We can tell many bad things about Chavez but his chin is rock solid. He never was knocked down before or after the Fonfara fight. Again... the only time he got stopped was against a natural 175 pounder who is also a good puncher at 175.

 

[GzUp]

 

[Jmare007]

Only 8 days away, we finally getting there brehs

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Trout: Jacobs Exposed Golovkin; Canelo Will Beat Him On Points - Boxing News

Trout is friends with Jacobs and says he thinks Canelo can turn in a similar performance. Funny how he slips in there that he is picking Canelo by UD and it doesnt matter who actually wins the fight, Canelo will get the decision if it goes the distance. He knows about the judging vs. Canelo.

Actually one of my biggest concerns. Unless it is a clear round, I am guessing Canelo gets the benefit on all close rounds. GGG better be aware of this.

 

[Birdie]

GGG has already been exposed twice so Canelo will take this fight. He's a much better boxer than GGG and has the power to stop him.

 

[GzUp]

GGG has already been exposed twice so Canelo will take this fight. He's a much better boxer than GGG and has the power to stop him.

Lol

 

[FreedMind]

we know for a fact Canelo gonna get his head snapped back by at least 1 Golovkin jab.... Gonna be interesting to see how he reacts to it.

 

[GzUp]

GGG with a broadside: 'I am not Chavez Jr. and Canelo is no Danny Jacobs'

Kevin Iole
BoxingSeptember 8, 2017

Canelo Alvarez (L) poses with Gennady Golovkin (R) to promote their Sept. 16 middleweight title bout in Las Vegas.

For nearly all of his career, middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin has exuded a quiet confidence. He was good, and he knew it, but he never explicitly would say it.

He never demeaned opponents. He would never make wild boasts.


But on the eve of his biggest fight, a Sept. 16 match at T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas against Canelo Alvarez, Golovkin has taken a broadside against Alvarez, the fighter he repeatedly referred to in the past as “a good boy.”

The “good boy” line was more Golovkin’s difficulty with English — He was trying to say Alvarez is a nice guy — but it became popular with the public that watched him regularly on HBO the last five years and he saw the value in repeating it.

As the big fight nears and as promoter Oscar De La Hoya for some reason keeps talking about ‘The Money Fight,’ Golovkin unloaded big-time on Alvarez.

Golovkin snuck past Daniel Jacobs in New York on March 18, and then Alvarez routed Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. on May 6, setting up the mega-fight between them on Sept. 16.

Several times after the Jacobs fight, Golovkin trainer Abel Sanchez insisted Golovkin didn’t fight his hardest against Jacobs because if he had, Alvarez wouldn’t have taken the fight with him. Golovkin had been silent on that issue until now.

Eight days before the bout, he let Alvarez have it.

“I am not Julio Cesar Chevez Jr. and Canelo is no Danny Jacobs,” Golovkin said. “There are no survivors in my fight. Boxing is a business. If I look great against Jacobs, if I knocked him out, I would not be getting this fight with Canelo now. Jacobs was a very good fighter and gave me good learning experience going 12 rounds. I had never done that before. I felt amazing going 12 rounds for the first time. Jacobs gives everyone problems.”

Gennady Golovkin, of Kazakhstan, fights Daniel Jacobs during the third round of a middleweight boxing match early Sunday, March 19, 2017, in New York. Golovkin won the fight. (AP Photo/Frank Franklin II)
Sanchez doubled down on his previous comments. He insisted that Golovkin had more to give against Jacobs and made a calculated decision to hold back somewhat.

Coming eight days before the event and with virtually no news coming out of the Alvarez camp other than De La Hoya talking about UFC lightweight champion Conor McGregor, the words from Golovkin and Sanchez could just be a ploy to get the conversation started about their fight.

But boxing is that unique sport in which fighters have to back up their words. In this case, Golovkin is also going to have to stand by his trainer’s words.

“Danny Jacobs is the second-best middleweight in boxing,” Sanchez said. “It was a tough fight because the two best in the middleweight division were fighting each other. The matchup was as good in the ring as it was on paper. Jacobs also gamed the system by skipping the IBF’s mandatory fight day weigh-in where the fighters are only allowed to gain ten pounds from the previous day’s official weigh-in. Gennady, as defending champion, honored the IBF’s rule and weighed-in the next morning. Who knows how heavy Jacobs was the night of the fight? But even with that advantage, Gennady was able to win. Jacobs was easily one weight division heavier than Gennady.

“Not getting the knockout may have been a double blessing for us. It showed that Gennady was capable of going 12 rounds with an elite fighter and it gave us the fight with Canelo. If Gennady had knocked Jacobs out, there is no way Golden Boy would have the confidence to put Canelo in with us this year. Now let’s look at Canelo’s last fight. Chavez hasn’t fought under 167 pounds in five years. He was drained and barely threw a punch. If that same Chavez fights Gennady, there is no question Gennady knocks him out. Chavez was a sitting duck. There is no debate on who had the better win against the better opponent. Watching Canelo’s performance against Chavez gave us a lot of confidence, too.”

Shots are fired. Alvarez arrives in Las Vegas on Tuesday for the start of fight-week activities. Presumably, he’ll have a response ready then.