Lol at him posting a video of all people picking him to win, does this make him feel better?
If He Dies, He Dies : GGG introduces Canelo to 160 - The Official Canelo Vs GGG Thread
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Lol at him posting a video of all people picking him to win, does this make him feel better?
((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL
RIP MR. SMOKE
Brook was able to take little g's best shots and never went down. Canelo will be fine. Little g won't be able to handle the accumulation of punishment Canelo will put on him.we know for a fact Canelo gonna get his head snapped back by at least 1 Golovkin jab.... Gonna be interesting to see how he reacts to it.
BlackManLiveFromLondon
New God
All banter aside lemme lay down my thoughts on this fight
On to the main fight - you know Oscar really should have never gotten into Floyds bad book because this fight could have easily been hyped as the legit 50/50 PICK EM fight of the year. Prediction will change but as of right now I predict between 1.2-1.7 million buys. I'd be confident in 2 million if both fighters could speak good English and promote themselves but
The blueprint to beating Canelo well.. its already been shown by Floyd. The one way we've seen Canelo beaten is one man staying in the pocket and forcing Canelo to be more aggressive than he usually is.. furthermore we've also seen that boxers with good footwork make Canelo uncomfortable because his flatfooted ass doesn't like having to chase you around. Patience is also key because as we saw in the Floyd fight he was waiting for Canelo to make shots that he could counter. Its also about having a good jab and power that makes Canelo respect you which Golovkin also has. The problem however is that Golovkin isn't like the man above, hes a straight forward guy who from the start will put the pressure on Canelo, hes nowhere near as patient and he doesn't have that footwork which in theory (because we haven't seen the fight play out) should give Canelo the advantage because Canelo is a classic counter puncher who waits for you to make the mistake before attacking.
Now the next problem for Canelo is his bad habit of inactivity which I assume comes because he gases and needs to wait a while before getting that second wind... but you can't do that against Golovkin because hes a guy that pressures from the beginning, he won't allow you to rest.. Floyd saw these tendencies and he exploited him and if Golovkin notices him doing this hes only gonna up the pressure.
On the other side we also need to consider this - yes GGG is a straight forward fighter but part of his success comes from the fact that he doesn't respect his opponents power enough to the point where hes forced to switch up that strategy but what if Canelo has enough power to make him re-think? That could change this fight.
We haven't seen GGG be beaten yet so I cant show you a blueprint but what we can look to is Ward-Kovalev as an example on how you breakdown a fighter with more knockout power than you.. you've gotta make it ugly, you've gotta throw the important shots in the clinch (now the referee you get will impact how much you can do this), to be straight with it you've got to attack the body because through attacking the body, you can potentially show a side to a fighter that we've never seen before. We know Canelo is a good body puncher so this should work for him, the only issue is that Golovkin is also a good body puncher. Again, we've seen Canelo gas in the past (hence his periods of inactivity) so this should give Golovkin some confidence when putting in work towards the body.
Looking more at Golovkins weaknesses we've seen him get hit more often in recent fights so perhaps age is truly catching up to him. We've also seen that his main form of defense lies in his offense and that once you get through his jab, he doesn't really have defense and hes easier to hit because he doesn't display a lot of head movement. The same can't be said for Canelo because we all know he shows good head and upper body movement so we can say that GGG may struggle to establish his jab.
Looking at the Kell Brook fight, GGG gave him big shots and Brook, a mere Welterweight was not dropped by these shots hell it was only his eye socket that let him down. Funny enough, that should give Canelo confidence like 'hey, he couldnt knock down a WW so his power cant be all that' but heres 2 flipsides to that : Number 1 - he broke his eye socket and in this sport you know you're 1 good shot away from a broken eye socket..to a coma and hell even to death. Number 2 - we also saw a WW in Floyd stun Canelo multiple times, so that should actually give Golovkin more confidence because he has more power than a WW.
Referring back to Canelo's issues with gas well yeah thats always a problem but we can also argue that hey, its because he was always fighting at 154 where he would cut a lot of weight only to balloon back up to the mid 160s. Fighting at 160 now, hes not cutting as much weight so perhaps it can be said that he wont be suffering from this issue of gassing out.
How do I see GGG winning this? Most likely outcome is through a stoppage, I don't see GGG coming in and outboxing Canelo for 12 rounds.
How do I see Canelo winning this? Most likely outcome (and what I kinda think will happen) is him outboxing GGG for 12. I see him stopping GGG but only if he adopts a Ward strategy of breaking him down via the body (which.. he praised Ward on and said that that would be the key to beating Golovkin so...
)
I give Canelo 2 routes to victory simply because hes shown more in the past that hes able to win a fight going the distance. I ultimately give the slight edge to Canelo to win because on paper he has more tools along with youth to back him. Its gonna be interesting to see how good these fighters are at adapting...
On to the main fight - you know Oscar really should have never gotten into Floyds bad book because this fight could have easily been hyped as the legit 50/50 PICK EM fight of the year. Prediction will change but as of right now I predict between 1.2-1.7 million buys. I'd be confident in 2 million if both fighters could speak good English and promote themselves but
The blueprint to beating Canelo well.. its already been shown by Floyd. The one way we've seen Canelo beaten is one man staying in the pocket and forcing Canelo to be more aggressive than he usually is.. furthermore we've also seen that boxers with good footwork make Canelo uncomfortable because his flatfooted ass doesn't like having to chase you around. Patience is also key because as we saw in the Floyd fight he was waiting for Canelo to make shots that he could counter. Its also about having a good jab and power that makes Canelo respect you which Golovkin also has. The problem however is that Golovkin isn't like the man above, hes a straight forward guy who from the start will put the pressure on Canelo, hes nowhere near as patient and he doesn't have that footwork which in theory (because we haven't seen the fight play out) should give Canelo the advantage because Canelo is a classic counter puncher who waits for you to make the mistake before attacking.
Now the next problem for Canelo is his bad habit of inactivity which I assume comes because he gases and needs to wait a while before getting that second wind... but you can't do that against Golovkin because hes a guy that pressures from the beginning, he won't allow you to rest.. Floyd saw these tendencies and he exploited him and if Golovkin notices him doing this hes only gonna up the pressure.
On the other side we also need to consider this - yes GGG is a straight forward fighter but part of his success comes from the fact that he doesn't respect his opponents power enough to the point where hes forced to switch up that strategy but what if Canelo has enough power to make him re-think? That could change this fight.
We haven't seen GGG be beaten yet so I cant show you a blueprint but what we can look to is Ward-Kovalev as an example on how you breakdown a fighter with more knockout power than you.. you've gotta make it ugly, you've gotta throw the important shots in the clinch (now the referee you get will impact how much you can do this), to be straight with it you've got to attack the body because through attacking the body, you can potentially show a side to a fighter that we've never seen before. We know Canelo is a good body puncher so this should work for him, the only issue is that Golovkin is also a good body puncher. Again, we've seen Canelo gas in the past (hence his periods of inactivity) so this should give Golovkin some confidence when putting in work towards the body.
Looking more at Golovkins weaknesses we've seen him get hit more often in recent fights so perhaps age is truly catching up to him. We've also seen that his main form of defense lies in his offense and that once you get through his jab, he doesn't really have defense and hes easier to hit because he doesn't display a lot of head movement. The same can't be said for Canelo because we all know he shows good head and upper body movement so we can say that GGG may struggle to establish his jab.
Looking at the Kell Brook fight, GGG gave him big shots and Brook, a mere Welterweight was not dropped by these shots hell it was only his eye socket that let him down. Funny enough, that should give Canelo confidence like 'hey, he couldnt knock down a WW so his power cant be all that' but heres 2 flipsides to that : Number 1 - he broke his eye socket and in this sport you know you're 1 good shot away from a broken eye socket..to a coma and hell even to death. Number 2 - we also saw a WW in Floyd stun Canelo multiple times, so that should actually give Golovkin more confidence because he has more power than a WW.
Referring back to Canelo's issues with gas well yeah thats always a problem but we can also argue that hey, its because he was always fighting at 154 where he would cut a lot of weight only to balloon back up to the mid 160s. Fighting at 160 now, hes not cutting as much weight so perhaps it can be said that he wont be suffering from this issue of gassing out.
How do I see GGG winning this? Most likely outcome is through a stoppage, I don't see GGG coming in and outboxing Canelo for 12 rounds.
How do I see Canelo winning this? Most likely outcome (and what I kinda think will happen) is him outboxing GGG for 12. I see him stopping GGG but only if he adopts a Ward strategy of breaking him down via the body (which.. he praised Ward on and said that that would be the key to beating Golovkin so...
) I give Canelo 2 routes to victory simply because hes shown more in the past that hes able to win a fight going the distance. I ultimately give the slight edge to Canelo to win because on paper he has more tools along with youth to back him. Its gonna be interesting to see how good these fighters are at adapting...
GREENandYELLOW
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HamAndEgger
All Star
Bruh, he left the fight with a broken orbital bone. What realistically was gonna happen after round 5? Because he never went down that means he left the fight unscathed?
HamAndEgger
All Star
Canelo fights nothing like Jacobs and or has the size / reach advantage/ movement Jacobs had to replicate what he tried to do. It's like saying GGG is going to replicate Floyd because he gave Canelo the most trouble. The undeniable truth is Canelo's fighting his 1st fight at Middleweight against the best in the World who has a size, slight reach, punching power, Middleweight experience advantage over him with a very solid skillset. If Canelo overcomes that?
That being said, I think Nelo is
by round 9-10. I don't think Nelo got that kinda dog in him like people are thinking.Canelo fights nothing like Jacobs and or has the size / reach advantage/ movement Jacobs had to replicate what he tried to do. It's like saying GGG is going to replicate Floyd because he gave Canelo the most trouble. The undeniable truth is Canelo's fighting his 1st fight at Middleweight against the best in the World who has a size, slight reach, punching power, Middleweight experience advantage over him with a very solid skillset. If Canelo overcomes that?
That being said, I think Nelo is
You're right to an extent. Jacobs has physical attributes that Canelo does not possess. However, Jacobs best work was not done from the outside. In fact, Jacobs had a lot of success in close range, slipping golovkin's punches on the ropes, countering with quick combinations, forcing Golovkin to shell up. Canelo can do all of that, and I'm betting he does it even better. Canelo throws better combinations, has faster hands, excellent body work, great defense, excellent countering.
Furthermore, it's also noteworthy that Golovkin did seem to gas as the fight went on. His power noticeably declined, and Jacob was taking clean punches well enough to engage in exchanges with GGG. Even when Jacobs was hurt late in the fight, Golovkin could not muster the energy to go after Jacobs.
Lastly, if there was ever a fight where Golovkin could have shown his boxing skills, it would have been against Jacobs. Once he couldn't knock out Jacobs, Golovkin looked like a one dimensional fighter. He wasn't feinting effectively, didn't show a good jab, and in the eyes of many, should have lost a decision to Jacobs.
Also, what are their official reach? Boxrec has Canelo with a slighter longer reach than Golovkin.
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Bleed The Freak
Superstar
You're correct in my opinion I think once Canelo realizes that he can take triple G's power his slipping encounter shots are going to make Triple G continually walking a straight line. It will keep him away from the ropes and I think that's in his boxing pedigree is going to take place. Canelo stamina is obviously the question mark.
But GGG and that bullshyt of letting him get hit is trash....Brook and Jacobs showed he's there to be hit. But to his credit he has a good chin. I had Jacobs winning but that knockdown (really an off balance thing) and his slight inactivity cost him at times. Once Jacobs took his power he looked like Matthysse (just a comparison style wise....he's way better than Lucas)....you are 100% correct.
I wouldn't be shocked if he hits Triple G with something that really gets his attention early. I look at it this way....who looked more dominant against "A" talent? Canelo and it ain't even close.
It wouldn't shock me if GGG plans on bombs away and Canelo outboxes his ass.
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OfTheCross
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Watching GGG Jacobs now
((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL
RIP MR. SMOKE
and brook had his orbital broken in his very next fight. it's safe to assume he just has some fragile orbital bones. i'm not saying little g isn't a hard puncher. he's still one of the best punchers in boxing. but he's not a one punch knockout guy. he's an accumulation guy just like canelo. rubio knocked out lemieux earler than he did. angulo knocked out rosado way earlier than he did. the only guy in recent years who he actually knocked out with one punch was geale and that shyt was weak. even cotto knocked geale out with one punch. little g even needed an accumulation to knock out dominic wade. danny jacobs already said his power is nothing special. rosado said his power isn't crazy either. I mean anybody can be knocked out if a punch is right on the button, but I just don't see little g landing that type of punch on canelo. a guy who's great at slipping and rolling with punches.Bruh, he left the fight with a broken orbital bone. What realistically was gonna happen after round 5? Because he never went down that means he left the fight unscathed?
in order for little g to knock out canelo he's gonna need an accumulation. and I just don't see that happening. canelo rarely even gets hit with flush hard punches at all. and once canelo starts countering him and going to the body, little g will start doubting himself and hesitating to throw at all. just like he did with jacobs. if we're being honest, jacobs had little g lookin shook as hell in there. aside from the KD, every single time they got into an exchange, danny got the better of it. little g's punches were too wide and too slow and danny slipped em easily. and danny himself isn't even that sharp. dude is long and loops his punches at times. now little g is gonna be facing canelo who's short, compact, fast, and will be beating him to the punch every time. on top of that, canelo even has a longer reach than little g so the height difference won't be too much of an advantage. canelo's speed will have little g shook to sit down on his punches and he'll just start looking to land anything he can. once little g starts taking some power off his punches, it's gonna be target practice. canelo will be in his head early. little g will be bleeding by the 3rd round.
OfTheCross
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Bleed The Freak
Superstar
I will say this until I'm blue in the face...the two "A" talents GGG fought he looked like a slow come forward plodder with a granite chin. Combos, counter punches and inside fighting (especially upper cuts) are his weaknesses.
His defense and lack of upper body movement was severely lacking. And when someone didn't fold he looked lost.