If God is good why do we fear him?
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I was just editing that post Hulk.
eifmp
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THIS MEANS THEY DON'T HAVE FREE WILL, BROTHER!
I disagree. Being born into sin is what makes free will such an important thing. If we were born into sin, and did NOT have the free will of mind to overcome it, then the world would be total anarchy and chaos. But, and I think you'll have to agree, there ARE good people in the world. They are also born into sin, but have overcome the evil desires of their hearts. You have too.
OG_StankBrefs
Da Spice...
Everything I have typed below is of my own opinion.
The purpose of free will is so we as humans can decide how to live our lives. If we live our lives the right way, we get rewarded. If not, we get punished. God puts free will as the ultimate prize given to mankind. He detests the mindless servants and the back breaking laborers who get nothing in return. If He didn't he wouldn't have infused Moses' staff with the power to cause plagues, part seas, and to ultimately free slaves from Egypt. That's why in the old testament when people owned slaves and servants, He made rules to govern the fair treatment of them.
Soooooo what about those born/raised/livin in da remote jungles, up in da mountains,etc away from da world and know nothin bout da bible or da Abrahamic god? What about those who follow a different religion and dont care about christ but who still live good lives? According to your christian belief system, there is no entry to heaven or god's graces without da acceptance of Christ as your savior. Hmmm...ounds like a pretty bad hand dealt to those who aren't born in a culture who has dat religion. lol oh and slavery was cool as long as they were treated "fair" huh?cmon son.
Well, I would like to answer your questions with a question of my own. I stole this question from an episode of Supernatural (season 5 The GOAT)...but it still helps to prove my point.
"What would you rather have: peace or freedom?"
We can't have both. God stated after He caused the Great Flood that all mankind is born into sin from their youth. So there will never be world peace as long as we have free will. As I said earlier, it is my opinion that God puts allowing free will above all other liberties given to mankind. So He would never take that away from us.
Then he shouldn't punish those who choose to exercise it then either. If this all knowing space wizard already knows everything about everything then why would he punish humans for being humans? shyt makes absolutely no sense at all.
As far as why He allows evil to happen, I have a theory. God is like any father; He'll protect His children up to a point but sonner or later they'll have to learn to fend for themselves. In reading The Bible, God only interferes personally with issues that humans alone weren't going to be able to handle. I don't think any adult male wants his pops to fight his battles for him. Murderers, kidnappers, serial killers, we as humans have the power to stop it. We don't need beings with immortal powers to stop very mortal issues.
what:
Fend for demselves? How da fukk do children gettin molested, women gettin raped, people gettin mutilated and murdered "fend for demselves?" Aren't those "issues that humans alone weren't goin to be able to handle"???? Like some group of innocent bystanders have da power to stop some suicide bomber blowin himself killin em inorder to get some virgins in an imaginary place in da sky. You really are sounding like a complete n utter moron right now mah dood.
I disagree. Being born into sin is what makes free will such an important thing. If we were born into sin, and did NOT have the free will of mind to overcome it, then the world would be total anarchy and chaos. But, and I think you'll have to agree, there ARE good people in the world. They are also born into sin, but have overcome the evil desires of their hearts. You have too.
How can you believe in the idea of original sin and still believe in free will? These two ideas are in total conflict with each other.
JoelB
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If heaven is supposedly void of all things evil.....how did 1/3 of it's angels manage to turn bad n revolt against their creator?
god surely must've known dat was gon happen right?....cuz he know's everything right?
The omnipotent God invented evil then shytted on Lucifer and 1/3 of his goons for being "demonic".
Then he creates man, and by simply being human says we're sinful and demonic and need a savior in order to not get punished like Lucifer.
So in order to fix this problem God sends his son/himself to be sacrificed then resurrects his son/self 3 days later just to stunt...and is chillin back in heaven with the
face.
Sounds like God is bored as shytWARNING: (this long ass read below is simply my beliefs and opinions i ain tryin to shyt on nobody's wave of thinking)
I am a minister's son. After law school I plan on becoming a lawyer and a minister (tryin to preach in prisons). With all that being said, there are so many things about God that I ponder and sometimes get angry about. Those memes above got me rolling cuz for the most part they are accurate. But at the same time when u really look at God in the Bible. He ain fair alot of times point blank. Thats not why I choose to serve Him tho. Its because what else I got to do. Live life like alot of these other a$$holes that think their own righteousness is good yet they don even show love to other human beings by sacrificing of themselves. We all have done sum flaw ass shyt that should be rewarded with Eternal Damnation. Thats why in my soul it makes sense that we need Jesus Christ to cleanse our sins because when you look at other religious faiths its mostly based on good works. (Islam means submission to God but what gets you into paradise is whether you were a good muslim or bad muslim). REAL Christianity is simply being real with yourself and saying I need you Jesus to come in my life cuz I can't do this shyt on my own. "For if thou shalt confess with thou mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thine heart God raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved". All that other bullshyt that alot of these fake Christians claim is religion and should be called out on.
I am a minister's son. After law school I plan on becoming a lawyer and a minister (tryin to preach in prisons). With all that being said, there are so many things about God that I ponder and sometimes get angry about. Those memes above got me rolling cuz for the most part they are accurate. But at the same time when u really look at God in the Bible. He ain fair alot of times point blank. Thats not why I choose to serve Him tho. Its because what else I got to do. Live life like alot of these other a$$holes that think their own righteousness is good yet they don even show love to other human beings by sacrificing of themselves. We all have done sum flaw ass shyt that should be rewarded with Eternal Damnation. Thats why in my soul it makes sense that we need Jesus Christ to cleanse our sins because when you look at other religious faiths its mostly based on good works. (Islam means submission to God but what gets you into paradise is whether you were a good muslim or bad muslim). REAL Christianity is simply being real with yourself and saying I need you Jesus to come in my life cuz I can't do this shyt on my own. "For if thou shalt confess with thou mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thine heart God raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved". All that other bullshyt that alot of these fake Christians claim is religion and should be called out on.
i started to post on this but ugh 
i'll never understand how people that aint religious could talk about it so much. i'll just say, as someone who was born in raised deeply in church and left, havin a "fear of god" is a huge misconception. i think its really a fear of the projection of god made by man. free will is just that. free will. i could go out and murder somebody tonight if i wanted but my punishment, my life is gonna be in the hands of man--never god. and i still believe in god by the way, but if jesus died for our sins then why would i still be expected to live accordin to any standard outside of my own??? just sayin
i'll never understand how people that aint religious could talk about it so much. i'll just say, as someone who was born in raised deeply in church and left, havin a "fear of god" is a huge misconception. i think its really a fear of the projection of god made by man. free will is just that. free will. i could go out and murder somebody tonight if i wanted but my punishment, my life is gonna be in the hands of man--never god. and i still believe in god by the way, but if jesus died for our sins then why would i still be expected to live accordin to any standard outside of my own??? just sayin
Hulk Hogan
THE HULKSTER BROTHER
YOU REALLY BELIEVE ETERNAL PUNISHMENT IS SUITABLE FOR WHAT WE DO, BROTHER?
PULLING SID VICIOUS OUT OF THE RING AND LETTING FLAIR WIN THE ROYAL RUMBLE EARNS ME TORTURE FOREVER, DUDE?
lol, speakin as a wrestling mark I can't even argue wit u cuz
Salvation through faith is the biggest problem with Christianity. I respect a religion based on good works than one based on faith. At a very simple level, Ghandi is in hell because he didn't believe in Christ, but if Hitler confessed his sins and sincerely asked Jesus for forgiveness before his death, then he is in heaven chilling.
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eifmp
Looking for a rich woman to take care of me
Of course there is no way to accept Christ in your heart if you've never heard of Christ. But The Bible tells of people who have made it to Heaven for just living life the right way and overcoming their desire to sin.
There is a difference between being born into sin, and committing sin. We all know right from wrong and if we choose to do wrong then why shouldn't we be punished? Are you really saying that people who have free will, and choose to commit evil acts of sin with that free will, shouldn't be punished just because they are born into sin? If we as humans didn't have the free will to become more than that, then you would have an argument. Humans are more than just the sum of our base animal urges, or at least we should be. Why do you think God gave us the ten commandments? Because He knew without rules we'd descend into anarchy. But maybe that's a world you want to live in.
You're thinking to singularly, too small. I'm talking about the problems and plights of human beings as a whole. Yes, it's an unfortunate fact that women and children get raped and molested. While they may not be able to defend themselves at that time; the problem of murderers and rapists as a whole CAN be solved by humans alone. The fact that God has not solved the problem for us proves (at least to me) that we have the tools to do it ourselves. Same thing with the suicide bombers, thinking too small. You're thinking about solving the problem at the time and place where the bomber is ready to die. Maybe the problem could've been solved before the bomb was ever created.
EDIT: I may sound like a complete and utter moron to you, but it's not like I'm trying to convince you that 2 + 2 = 5. We're having a difference of opinion about a topic which cannot be proven by any scientific method known to man. So on that note, this is my last post on the matter. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
OG_StankBrefs
Da Spice...
Yeah but WHY do people need to believe in Jesus christ and WHY do people need him to cleanse their "sins" inorder to have a good life? I know plenty of folks who aren't religious and/or follow any kind of organized religion dat are str8 up good peoples. Treat folks wit respect n are living a very fulfilling life. I know i've brought up dis point in a couple similar threads like dis but i feel it's such a simple observation. You wouldn't be "needing" Jesus christ to cleanse your soul if you didnt even know he existed at all. You wouldn't be needing none of dat if you were born in some other part of da world dat didn't follow dat belief system. IMO it all comes down to geographical and cultural circumstances. Dat shyt has been drilled into ya dome since you were born breh. Memorizations of scriptures, being told not to question any of it, etc. Especially if you were brought up in da church AND your pops was a minister. Dat stuff was prolly heavily ingrained into your mind growin up. It's only natural.
But i've always stated dat if believin in dat kinda shyt(whether it's Jesus, Allah, Budda, Zues, etc.) helps folks get thru the difficulities in their lives then it's no prollem. Go for it. It's no different then when Greeks prayed to their gods, Native Americans chantin to their spiritual dieties, etc. so on n so forth. But just be careful when tryin to speak about dat kinda stuff it like it's some sort of undisputable fact. Because there will be those who will be quick to point out da obvious holes in dat kind of rational. Do ya thang tho pimpin.
And props to you gettin dat education and bettering yourself tho mang. Good shyt on dat front.
Cuz ghandi did evil things to people too jus like we ALL have. Good works don't cancel out evil ones. If Ghandi believed He had the power to determine if he was a good person or not by helping other people he was misguided in my opinion. If Hitler killed a million more jews and gypsies, but on his death bed he genuinely called on Christ to come into his heart then he will be raised up to everlasting glory. I believe when u genuinely become a Christian those traits of love, compassion, and humility will naturally come forth and not be a "work" but rather a characteristic. In the book of James it says "faith without works is dead" so u can't have faith in Jesus and your life isn't showing some signs of it.
I feel u cuz, I asked my pop the other day wut if there wuz sum dude in the African jungle in 35 AD who never heard of Jesus and died. He told me point blank he's gonna be cast in the lake of fire. Stuff like that is harsh and it breaks my heart but I believe it. Cuz like I stated the God I read about isn't always fair. If u want more emphasis read about Jacob and Esau. He really jus does wut he wants to do cuz who are we to question God if he really is who He is. I jus choose to believe in Jesus cuz I don't want in no other way. (Its jus something about the story of Christ that convicts me and I honestly feel like it does so with everybody else in one way or another)