If Eli Manning wins another Superbowl....

[Texas2step]

So let me get this straight, when the defense gets pressure on the QB it has nothing to do with the opposing defense or the offensive line, but everything to do with the fact that QB wasn't in the right protection.

and as far as the bolded for a long time he wasn't beating them in the regular season either, but SOMETHING changed along the line didn't it?

what a retarded argument I'm close to being done.

You sound retarded. I was merely pointing out how in fact it can be his fault. It was a combination of all things mention.

And the bolded part: I was talking about how he couldn't beat them in the playoffs bc that is when teams bring out there special defensive schemes. How did he get better by only beating them once in the post season

 

[Stone]

You sound retarded. I was merely pointing out how in fact it can be his fault. It was a combination of all things mention.

And the bolded part: I was talking about how he couldn't beat them in the playoffs bc that is when teams bring out there special defensive schemes. How did he get better by only beating them once in the post season

It's a center's responsibility to get the line in the right protection too. linemen also have to make sure they block the right guy, EVERYBODY HAS TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE. And as far as the Pats he hasn't faced them in the playoffs since the 06 championship game.

What are these "special defensive schemes" if you don't mind me asking.

 

[Texas2step]

Who cares whether they were favored? Did you watch how they played in those games? The D held the greatest offense ever to 14 points.

So you play a great game or 2......Now you are a great team?

 

[FTBS]

any proof? How is that proof that they couldn't get off more so than Peyton being confused and changing their routes causing them to be ineffective

And yes I do agree with you about SBs being more than just a QB performance but in Peyton case NO. Because Peyton was the playcaller and had full control of the offense. When you have full control but continue to be successful then he is the blame for the lack of production

Yeah I watched the game and saw nikkas dropping passes, saw Peyton under pressure, and saw nikkas struggling to get open.

Once again you can't give recievers, or RBs, or O-line props for being great and then turn around and try to put it on Peyton when they are ineffective. It's not like Peyton was just standing in the pocket chilling and missing wide open nikka after wide open nikka.

Peyton can't make the O-line keep the defenders at bay. He can't make them make holes for the RB or make the RB see and get through the holes. He can't make the receivers get open or hold on to the ball. No matter what calls he makes if they don't do their jobs it's not gonna work. He certainly can't make the defense or special teams do their job from the sidelines. Once again I am not gonna act like Peyton didn't have his share of fukkups it's just that he was never alone in that regard in Indy. I have seen Eli and other "winners" like Brady and Ben fukk up and either have the team overcome it or the other team squander it. That is were the fortune angle comes in. Peyton won the one year where his team was able to overcome his fukkups and wasnt' overly dependent on him...like pretty much every other QB.

 

[Texas2step]

It's a center's responsibility to get the line in the right protection too. And as far as the Pats he hasn't faced them in the playoffs since the 06 championship game.

What are these "special defensive schemes" if you don't mind me asking.

Yea on most teams but in the Colts offense Peyton was call the protections.

And it is a pretty well known fact that most teams doesn't show certain defensive looks until the playoffs so teams won't be able to plan for them

 

[Stone]

So you play a great game or 2......Now you are a great team?

Now you seem to be missing the point on purpose.

You don't have to be a great team to play great games, which the Giants did when they were in the playoffs.

 

[JYoung24]

Peyton was going to make the hall of fame even if never won a ring Eli on the other hand wouldn't that should let you know that Peyton is the better WB and its not even close

 

[Stone]

Yea on most teams but in the Colts offense Peyton was call the protections.

And it is a pretty well known fact that most teams doesn't show certain defensive looks until the playoffs so teams won't be able to plan for them

ESPN got you all fukked up. Besides even if he does call the protections, the dudes still have to block.

 

[Texas2step]

Yeah I watched the game and saw nikkas dropping passes, saw Peyton under pressure, and saw nikkas struggling to get open.

Once again you can't give recievers, or RBs, or O-line props for being great and then turn around and try to put it on Peyton when they are ineffective. It's not like Peyton was just standing in the pocket chilling and missing wide open nikka after wide open nikka.

Peyton can't make the O-line keep the defenders at bay. He can't make them make holes for the RB or make the RB see and get through the holes. He can't make the receivers get open or hold on to the ball. No matter what calls he makes if they don't do their jobs it's not gonna work. He certainly can't make the defense or special teams do their job from the sidelines. Once again I am not gonna act like Peyton didn't have his share of fukkups it's just that he was never alone in that regard in Indy. I have seen Eli and other "winners" like Brady and Ben fukk up and either have the team overcome it or the other team squander it. That is were the fortune angle comes in. Peyton won the one year where his team was able to overcome his fukkups and wasnt' overly dependent on him...like pretty much every other QB.

If he controls the playcalling by reading the defense then yes he can make a case that he is the blame when plays are unsuccessful.

IF he calls for pass protection Left but the blitz is actually on the right....That is Peyton's fault not the OLine

If he calls his WR to run a 10 yard comeback route because he believes no one will be under than that is Peyton's fault not the WR

If he calls for a run play in the A gap because he believes no one will be there but they happen to have an all out blitz in the A gab...then that is Peyton's fault not the RB

 

[FTBS]

If he controls the playcalling by reading the defense then yes he can make a case that he is the blame when plays are unsuccessful.

IF he calls for pass protection Left but the blitz is actually on the right....That is Peyton's fault not the OLine

If he calls his WR to run a 10 yard comeback route because he believes no one will be under than that is Peyton's fault not the WR

If he calls for a run play in the A gap because he believes no one will be there but they happen to have an all out blitz in the A gab...then that is Peyton's fault not the RB

Okay but what if he calls for pass protection on the left and the blitz is on the left and it still gets through? Unless you can prove that every single bad play was the result of a bad call by Peyton then your arguments have no basis other than "I just wanna blame Peyton." . Beyond that I know for a fact that drops, and fumbles, and fukk ups on D and special teams weren't his fault.

 

[Texas2step]

ESPN got you all fukked up. Besides even if he does call the protections, the dudes still have to block.

Peyton Manning (and Tom Moore)’s Indianapolis Colts Offense: How a Handful of Plays Led to a Decade of Success | Smart Football

He had complete control. And again if he calls for pass protection left but the blitz is from the other side then there is no way the line can block and keep them at bay

 

[Stone]

Peyton Manning (and Tom Moore)’s Indianapolis Colts Offense: How a Handful of Plays Led to a Decade of Success | Smart Football

He had complete control. And again if he calls for pass protection left but the blitz is from the other side then there is no way the line can block and keep them at bay

There's nothing about him calling pass protections in that article. He helps out sometimes by directing to the line who comes with blitzes, but it's mostly the center's responsibility to make sure the line is aligned correctly. He had freedom, but the concept that you don't seem to understand is that he's still dependent on everyone else to do their job.

Everyone has to be on the same page. You're completely ignoring all other factors.

 

[klientel]

Peyton is one of the best QB's of All-Time. I can't even remember a time when I thought Eli MIGHT be the best QB in the league.

They don't even compare.

 

[Sulu]

If Eli Manning wins another Superbowl, is it safe to say he is better than Payton Manning?

Eli never had the weapons Peyton had and still won more super-bowls

hes already better than peyton... he'll start up in the goat talks

 

[nomoreneveragain]

In about 3 years time, Eli will Compile enough numbers that'll put him the discussion