If Eli Manning wins another Superbowl....

[Texas2step]

This has to be the worst argument ever constructed. Every time I see it . Eli's weapons were obviously good enough to win the SB with. It's not like they won or he put up numbers despite his receivers. It's not like nikkas were dropping all kinds of passes and struggling to get open. It's not like Eli made them hold on to the ball. They made the plays that had to be made when they had to be made. I also find it funny how people always talk about Peyton's weapons and his playoff failures and never talk about how those two things intertwine. nikkas never talk about how normally sure handed nikkas would catch a mysterious case of the drops when subjected to physical playoff football or how they would struggle to get open or make big mistakes. Nope all you hear it Peyton had weapons and didn't win. Peyton has been the more consistent and prolific player. Eli has been more fortunate. Not even gonna front on Eli though, he's really taken his game to a new level in the last couple of years and become far more consistent. He'd need another decade or so of that to beat his brother out.

I never said Eli played with Bums, I said that he didn't have the weapons Peyton had.

Harrison>>>any Giants WR
Wayne>>>>any Giants WR
E.James>>>any Giants RB
D.Clark>>>>any Giants TE
Indy O-line>>>> Giants O-lne

 

[Sterling Archer]

I never said Eli played with Bums, I said that he didn't have the weapons Peyton had.

Harrison>>>any Giants WR
Wayne>>>>any Giants WR
E.James>>>any Giants RB
D.Clark>>>>any Giants TE
Indy O-line>>>> Giants O-lne

Gotta say, that's a pretty good statement.

 

[GreatestLaker]

No.

Eli could win 10 superbowls and he'll never be better than Payton. Would have the better career, but better player? Hell fukking no.

 

[Stone]

Gotta say, that's a pretty good statement.

Not really, because it completely ignores an entire side of the ball, which was the main reason they won the first one.

I mean you do remember the Giants D holding the Pats the greatest offense ever to 14 points right?

 

[Lakers Offseason]

I never said Eli played with Bums, I said that he didn't have the weapons Peyton had.

Harrison>>>any Giants WR
Wayne>>>>any Giants WR
E.James>>>any Giants RB
D.Clark>>>>any Giants TE
Indy O-line>>>> Giants O-lne

Giants DL when they went on their SB runs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of those offensive players from the Colts.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Not really, because it completely ignores an entire side of the ball, which was the main reason they won the first one.

I mean you do remember the Giants D holding the Pats the greatest offense ever to 14 points right?

Vividly. Yet the question is in regard to the individuals and fanned out to the offense which it shouldn't have but for the sake of argument I acknowledged. I drew the line at then further going to the defense which would turn a thread into a "better team" discussion as opposed to QB (and offense at the most). I know what your saying though.

 

[FTBS]

I never said Eli played with Bums, I said that he didn't have the weapons Peyton had.

Harrison>>>any Giants WR
Wayne>>>>any Giants WR
E.James>>>any Giants RB
D.Clark>>>>any Giants TE
Indy O-line>>>> Giants O-lne

Not true. And if it was, what good is that if they don't play like it when it matters? The problem with your premise is that it assumes that those guys played to that level in the playoffs and for the most part they did not. It's not like Marvin and Reggie and Clark were beasting during all those L's. It's not like Peyton wasn't under pressure during all of those L's. It's not like Peyton wasn't sitting on the sideline watching his D get chewed up during those L's. Eli's teammates stepped up during the SB runs. Peyton's did not for the most part. To simply look at names or resumes or one side of the ball and totally ignore actual performance is lazy and most likely agenda driven.

 

[FloorGeneral]

I'm getting tired of the "X is better than Y because he has more Super Bowl Rings" argument. Mufukkas still don't understand that there are 52 other players on an NFL Roster. Winning a Super Bowl is a TEAM accomplishment, not an individual one.

Again, the ultimate example in this argument is Dan Marino. Guess he really wasn't all that good huh, considering he didn't win a Super Bowl.


Eli is good, but he's not as good as Peyton. Probably never will be. And no, that's not a knock on Eli. Peyton is/was just that good.

 

[MMS]

hes already better

I never said Eli played with Bums, I said that he didn't have the weapons Peyton had.

Harrison>>>any Giants WR
Wayne>>>>any Giants WR
E.James>>>any Giants RB
D.Clark>>>>any Giants TE
Indy O-line>>>> Giants O-lne

/thread

everyone thought all those USC QBs were good until you took the talent away from them

 

[PTBG]

Eli will win another SB only if he faces Brady and the Pat's again, but that won't happen though But, I don't care how many SB Eli wins, even though Eli is more clutch, Peyton and his 4 MVP's and his SB ring>>>>>>

 

[Texas2step]

Peyton routinely preformed poorly in the post season. Teams would often unleash a defensive scheme he had not seen all season and Peyton would be out there confused. When Peyton is making all of those adjustments at the line of scrimmage,why is that he gets all of the credit when it is a successful play? Shouldn't this argument be used against him when it is unsuccessful and his offense struggles? It wasn't like Harrison and Wayne was dropping passes. It was the playcalling and that was all on Peyton who kept making the wrong playcalls bc he was confused. Basically, Peyton can handle team's basic defensive schemes but he couldn't handle their complicated defensive schemes

Truth be told Indy won dispute Peyton's poor play. The year they won the superbowl was bc the Defense went beast mode (Bob Sanders was back) in the post-season.

 

[Stone]

Peyton routinely preformed poorly in the post season. Teams would often unleash a defensive scheme he had not seen all season and Peyton would be out there confused. When Peyton is making all of those adjustments at the line of scrimmage,why is that he gets all of the credit when it is a successful play? Shouldn't this argument be used against him when it is unsuccessful and his offense struggles? It wasn't like Harrison and Wayne was dropping passes. It was the playcalling and that was all on Peyton who kept making the wrong playcalls bc he was confused. Basically, Peyton can handle team's basic defensive schemes but he couldn't handle their complicated defensive schemes

Truth be told Indy won dispute Peyton's poor play. The year they won the superbowl was bc the Defense went beast mode (Bob Sanders was back) in the post-season.

Care to give an example of the bolded?

and what about when the Defense faced the only competent QB they had faced in that 06 postseason and gave up 27 to the probably the worst Pats team they fielded this decade?

What about them still winning 12 games when they had the worst run defense ever?

Speaking of Harrison, how is it that he only has ONE 100 yard game and only TWO touchdowns in his entire postseason career? Where was he? Was Manning out there missing open guys?

 

[FTBS]

Peyton routinely preformed poorly in the post season. Teams would often unleash a defensive scheme he had not seen all season and Peyton would be out there confused. When Peyton is making all of those adjustments at the line of scrimmage,why is that he gets all of the credit when it is a successful play? Shouldn't this argument be used against him when it is unsuccessful and his offense struggles? It wasn't like Harrison and Wayne was dropping passes. It was the playcalling and that was all on Peyton who kept making the wrong playcalls bc he was confused. Basically, Peyton can handle team's basic defensive schemes but he couldn't handle their complicated defensive schemes

Truth be told Indy won dispute Peyton's poor play. The year they won the superbowl was bc the Defense went beast mode (Bob Sanders was back) in the post-season.

If you gonna do that then you can't belabor the "look at who he's played with" point then either. If you wanna put it all on Peyton that's fine, just be consistent. Dont' try to diminish his numbers and accomplishments by harping on the teammates that you don't wanna talk about when it comes to the L's.

And actually they were dropping passing and having trouble getting open when playing against physical teams. Just look at Marvin's postseason numbers. In 16 games aka a season's worth of games the nikka had 65 rec for 883 yds and 2 TD. That sound like a HOFer to you? The Colts as a whole, but especially the recievers folded against physical teams. Peyton had his struggles to, no doubt however I'm not sure what QB wouldn't struggle under pressure with recievers struggling to get open or hold on to the ball.

Me personally I call it how I see it and don't subscribe to whatever the popular thought is. Championships, especially in football, are all about a total team effort and good fortune. It doesn't matter how good a qb is if his team doens't have a complete effort and fortune doesn't go his way he ain't winning.

If Indy can win a SB despite Peytons' poor play doesn't that demonstrate how winning SBs are about far more than QB performance? Peyton has had numerous playoffs where he performed better individually but the one year he won was the year where everybody else played their ass off and all the bounces went his way.

 

[Texas2step]

Care to give an example of the bolded?

and what about when the Defense faced the only competent QB they had faced in that 06 postseason and gave up 27 to the probably the worst Pats team they fielded this decade?

What about them still winning 12 games when they had the worst run defense ever?

Speaking of Harrison, how is it that he only has ONE 100 yard game and only TWO touchdowns in his entire postseason career? Where was he? Was Manning out there missing open guys?

Here is just one example:
Breaking Down How New England Can Use Familiar Tactics to Confuse Peyton Manning | Bleacher Report

The Pats always had Peyton's number. I remember how Ty Law had got 3 picks (Peyton threw 4 in all) in one game against Peyton in the postseason. The teams Peyton lost to in the Post season where 3-4 defensive teams (easier to confuse QBs) like Pats, Steelers, and Chargers. Every year he lost to one of these teams in the post season except for the Saints in the Superbowl.

 

[JLova]

Peyton has never had that kind of talent around him.