If Dallas wins a title will Kyrie be put on the Mt Rushmore of 1B/Robin players alongside Pippen…..?

[Professor Emeritus]

Are we overlooking that Pippen was like 3rd in the MVP voting in the '93-94 season and the Bulls won 55 games with him as the #1?

Just show me where Kyrie has done something similar...

We'll also overlook that players like Kareem, Cousy, Wade, Kobe, Havlicek, Big O, Dr. J, Steph, etc. were MVPs or Finals MVPs in other seasons, but took a step down to play with an even better #1 that year.

We'll also overlook that players like Pippen, Heinsohn, Sharman, Jones, McHale, etc. won far more rings as a sidekick than Kyrie has.


Nah, man, the ONLY criteria that matters is Kyrie's ppg in one series back in 2016.

 

[the elastic]

If breh was 6’6

 

[L. Deezy]

Kyrie. Pippen. Shaq. Who’s the 4th?

Klay

 

[Diondon]

nikka score just as much as the Batman
He's just a weirdo and a horrible leader

 

[Bryan Danielson]

You might be right if they beat them in 5 or 6 the next season but if it took them being at full strength to come back from 3-1 down to win in 7 games on a last second shot then beating them in 6 is legit even if they were shorthanded

Nope

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

Kareem,Mchale,Dumars.Pippen,Kobe, TP,Wade,Klay,Pau,Steph (or KD)


In short…hell naw

 

[NoMorePie]

If he can win with Lebron and Luka but KD couldn't win with him

 

[smitty22]

He's no Sam Jones

John Havlicek screaming from his grave “this motherfukker never stole no damn basketball “

 

[stepbackj34spud]

KYRIE GOT MORE 30 POINT GAMES
IN THIS POST SEASON THAN PIPPEN HAD
DURING THE WHOLE 6 TITLE RUN.







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Right. Kyrie aint no sidekick but he’s also not a #1. We seen what multiple Kyie lead teams look like.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Kyrie deserves a lot of credit for playing as well as he has this season and the Mavs getting to the Finals. I don't think a lot of people expected that but he's also held to a lesser standard than other great players. If the Mavs lose from here, it won't be him who receives the blame it'll be Luka.

You see it on these boards all the time. A guy like Tatum or Ant scores 17 points on a bad shooting night and they are destroyed. When they score 36 and fill the box score it's "they did what they are supposed to.."

A guy in Kyrie's position as a Robin can have multiple inefficient games and nobody cares

 

[FTBS]

#2s (1a stuff is just juelz to protect egos and feelings) get in where they fit in. Ky wasnt that until recently and he still has certain limitations as far as being a supporting player. He a lil nikka that can get buckets. That only really works if you got a 6'8 PG that can run the offense and drop 30-40. A nikka like Pip can get in where he fit in wherever. Those Cs with prime Pip are a problem. Same with him and KD in BK. It seems like those experiences have helped him to embrace who he is and where he actually fits. But we still got damn near a decade of him refusing to do so.

 

[Primetime21]

He helped Lebron bring a title to Cleveland and was the stabilizer. Now he’s doing the same with Luca. If not for the pandemic and them pressing to trade for Harden, he probably would’ve done the same thing in Brooklyn.

Clearly you don’t know what a 1B is.

Show me Pippen mirroring Jordan’s numbers in a Finals series.

 

[SadimirPutin]

The Coli is the revisionism capital of the internet.....

cause it wasn't even one series ago against the Thunder that Kyrie's game went off the blink

With that said he is undeniably the best under the rim finisher I have ever seen and certainly the best improv ball handler that I can think of

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

The Cavs were never beating Golden State with KD.

If Kyrie doesn't demand a trade, LeBron and him stays in Cleveland until 2020. They win three titles

 

[murksiderock]

I literally put this in the Kyrie trade thread on Thursday and nikkas got in they feelings about it:

BREAKING: The Brooklyn Nets are trading Kyrie Irving to the Dallas Mavericks for Spencer Dinwiddie, Dorian Finney-Smith and picks

Trade worked out better than most thought, but it's really the trade deadline moves this year that pushed Dallas up a level... Most of yall on here were not only down on Ky, yall were down on Luka, let's not forget the narratives about him too. You mf's didnt see Dallas as a Final 4 team, and...

www.thecoli.com

Trade worked out better than most thought, but it's really the trade deadline moves this year that pushed Dallas up a level...

Most of yall on here were not only down on Ky, yall were down on Luka, let's not forget the narratives about him too. You mf's didnt see Dallas as a Final 4 team, and neither did I...

Kyrie wins this title he's gonna be in the conversation for greatest #2 ever...

I'm not trying to do anything. It's frustrating dealing with you guys and your conspiracies...

So Pippen is generally thought of as the GOAT #2, because he played most of his career in that role and won all his rings in that role. Alot of guys who were greats 2s won at least one ring as a #1, so it kinda disqualifies them. So when the topic of GOAT #2s comes up, we're really talking about 2s who never won as a #1, were never league MVPs, etc...

So the list is short, and for the record I wouldn't put Kyrie there anyway because he simply hasn't won enough in his career. But the guys generally discussed as GOAT 2s (no order):

Davis, Gasol, Havlicek, Jones, McHale, Pippen, West, Worthy

Kyrie is already generally regarded as one of the 80 greatest players ever. Winning another title assuredly pushes him higher on that All-Time list, and puts him in the conversation with the 8 names I listed above...

I'll be back later to elaborate but the idea that Kyrie is in the convo with other All-Time 2s, with another ring, has merit...