IDF ground invasion of Gaza( Israel killed 2,700+ Palestinians) (Hamas is victorious)

[thekingsmen]

I can't tell. One minute you're on Putin's nuts and the next you're supporting anti-western propaganda. I know where you stand.

Don't hide like you aren't some anti-Israel agent on here.

I'm an atheist and not even a zionist but I do acknowledge the legitimacy of power. Proven power.



Meanwhile you're supporting Russian invasions of ex-soviet states and shytting on those "civilians" too

We see you fam.

I hope those RT labeled cheques show up soon.

1. Well I know what side you are on through this whole thread. Im on Putin's nuts? Bring evidence...you won't. I don't support propaganda period but you do.
2. Anti-Israel Agent...? What company is that from? Who is paying me? Anti-Colonialism yes.
3. Alot of you Atheist don't get it who do you think is the fore fathers of Israel? Atheist. Always were. They never saw Jewish people as religious people but a race and nationalistic sovereign entity.
4. Proven Power hmmm...you Mean White Supremacy( Zionism, Nazism, Colonialism, etc). Yes you already told me acknowledge and respect that.
5. Invasion.....lol. Is that what you call it? shytting on civilians? Your lack of history in the last decade proves you don't know shyt about the world and using straw-man arguments in separate subjects proves it.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Look my position is that just because you have a "democratically elected " blah blah blah doesn't mean the rest of the world is going to be cool with it.

"Democracy" has never stopped the rest of the world from caring who your leadership is.

If HAMAS is the people's choice, they gotta change their message to TRULY absolve themselves of any responsibility to actions that the international community could even use against them.

THEN will maybe Israel truly be taken to task for what its doing right now.

Basically, you gotta come across as a non-violent protestor.

All I can agree with is that they shouldn't say death to all Jews and all that because it would help them in the overall narrative. But things like not recognizing Israel or being involved in armed resistance is totally fine as far as I'm concerned because it's to be expected. Even the extreme view of Hamas should be taken in context of all the things Israel had done beforehand. Before Hamas it was the PLO, if they do enough to permanently cripple Hamas then what comes next might be more extreme than Hamas could hope for.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Yes, you say ridiculous things like if Black people just dikkrides America enough things will change for the better.

Except, thats not what I said

I think everyone knows full well the type of idiot you are, if you have no means of figuring out the solution I'm suggesting that's not on me.

blah blah blah

In fact, are you talking about "Make up your mind?" I'm pretty sure I made my position clear I'm not gonna repeat it again cuz your too stupid to understand it. lol, only thing Israel can lose is its goodwill in the world and as long as they run rampant in that land as they do that immunity will deteriorate.

Don't assert a solution you don't believe in. I don't understand that mentality.

If you want a UN back "neutral zone or a two state solution (because that what that is) then say so and stand by ith. Otherwise say you don't care.

 

[killacal]

Good god @Napoleon is an attention seeking fakkit

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

All I can agree with is that they shouldn't say death to all Jews and all that because it would help them in the overall narrative.

Right.

But things like not recognizing Israel

Terrible idea by them.

or being involved in armed resistance is totally fine as far as I'm concerned because it's to be expected.

Armed resistance is NOT the damed as armed offensive.

Even the extreme view of Hamas should be taken in context of all the things Israel had done beforehand.

No doubt, but all actors should know how much power they have.

Before Hamas it was the PLO, if they do enough to permanently cripple Hamas then what comes next might be more extreme than Hamas could hope for.

It really can't get much worse.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Good god @Napoleon is an attention seeking fakkit

You're free to block my posts.

 

[killacal]

You're free to block my posts.

only good post youve made in this thread

 

[BocaRear]

1. I understand and support the need to get rid of the muslim brotherhood.... but...

2. if HAMAS is who Palestine wants, then the workd will continue to treat them that way. The notion that "democracy" alone will insulate you completely from the influence of others, especially neighbors isn't as internally consistent as we like to pretend that it is.




3. I completely understand this...but thats like saying you can't use guns against people with swords. I don't say this to say I support Israel however. But having shytty weapons doesn't make your case better. This is purely a nitpicking point.

Breh, it's easy for us in our comfy homes to judge & condemn Hamas but this shows the extent of desperation the Palestinian people are in. Fatah was the more peaceful of the 2 parties but where did that lead them? Arafat was assassinated breh. the endless occupation has driven the people to Hamas. At the end of the day, what other option do the Palestinian people have but to fight?

Should they just allow the closure of all their underground tunnels that provide food & water? Should they allow the destruction of all their weapons & be at the mercy of the IDF?

Peace for them is not a viable option because Israel DOES NOT WANT peace, it's evident from even the basic concept of a Pure White Jewish only motherland. Word to Donald sterling about how disgusting the country's treatment of anyone not white & Jewish is.

You may not support Israel breh but you're justifying their actions.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Right.

Terrible idea by them.

Armed resistance is NOT the damed as armed offensive.

No doubt, but all actors should know how much power they have.


It really can't get much worse.

They have no need or reason to recognize Israel because like I said, it contradicts their very existence as a Palestinian Resistance. It doesn't matter to them and I think that's what you're not understanding. Israel has created such a desperate situation that it's come so such an offensive, I'm sure if you asked anyone in Gaza right now many would say they'd much rather have the siege ended and blockades lifted over mercy. Both Hamas and Israel are in extremely precarious positions which makes a ceasefire all the more difficult, if Hamas stops resisting then they, and the Gazans, are fukked and if Israel suddenly stops then by their narrative they just surrendered to a terrorist organization and lost Israeli lives in the process which is career suicide for Bibi Netanyahu who was already facing pressure from within the Knesset.

....oh, and I'm sure it can get MUCH worse than this on both sides if this isn't addressed long term.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Breh, it's easy for us in our comfy homes to judge & condemn Hamas but this shows the extent of desperation the Palestinian people are in. Fatah was the more peaceful of the 2 parties but the endless occupation has driven the people to Hamas. At the end of the day, what other option do the Palestinian people have but to fight?

I get it...but...Its not like Israel is going to just roll over.

Only DJ CLUE the UN can squash this.

Should they just allow the closure of all their underground tunnels that provide food & water? Should they allow the destruction of all their weapons & be at the mercy of the IDF?

were they engaging in offenses against israel?

I don't know man. Being a small nation/area/entity sucks and there are no easy decisions.

Peace for them is not a viable option because Israel DOES NOT WANT peace, it's evident from even the basic concept of a Pure White Jewish only motherland. Word to Donald sterling about how disgusting the country's treatment of anyone not white & Jewish is.

You may not support Israel breh but you're justifying their actions.

I don't like seeing this shyt take up my TV news cycle either, but the international community won't stop Israel, no one will....and partly because of the other threats facing israel when this conflict is over.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

They have no need or reason to recognize Israel because like I said, it contradicts their very existence as a Palestinian Resistance.

And its a terrible idea on the path to "peace"

Listen. If you're a little nation and you refuse to acknowledge your neighbor, shyt goes south REALLY quickly. Period.

No matter how rough things are for you, they get exponentially worse by failing to engage in that aspect of diplomatic respect.

It'd be different if they didn't share borders.

It doesn't matter to them and I think that's what you're not understanding.

Stop telling me "what you don't understand"

I GET all of this, and I don't know what you want me to do to show you I know what the fukk i'm talking about for the most part. What I don't understand or know, I ask...I don't think you know who you're talking to. Not everyone you engage on here is an idiot.

Israel has created such a desperate situation that it's come so such an offensive, I'm sure if you asked anyone in Gaza right now many would say they'd much rather have the siege ended and blockades lifted over mercy. Both Hamas and Israel are in extremely precarious positions which makes a ceasefire all the more difficult, if Hamas stops resisting then they, and the Gazans, are fukked and if Israel suddenly stops then by their narrative they just surrendered to a terrorist organization and lost Israeli lives in the process which is career suicide for Bibi Netanyahu who was already facing pressure from within the Knesset.

we've already gone over this

....oh, and I'm sure it can get MUCH worse than this on both sides if this isn't addressed long term.

The arab world has largely forgotten the strip. This isn't the 60s.

 

[BocaRear]

I get it...but...Its not like Israel is going to just roll over.

Only DJ CLUE the UN can squash this.

were they engaging in offenses against israel?

I don't know man. Being a small nation/area/entity sucks and there are no easy decisions.



I don't like seeing this shyt take up my TV news cycle either, but the international community won't stop Israel, no one will....and partly because of the other threats facing israel when this conflict is over.

No one can tell Israel nothing,

The UN is BS, their condemnation isn't worth a thing without the big boys agreeing with em. USA is being held by the balls by the Jewish lobby & I doubt we'll ever see a day where that aid stopping.

Israel will win & it's a damn shame because no one will be able to do anything about it. But this by no means the end of the attacks Israel will face.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

And its a terrible idea on the path to "peace"

Listen. If you're a little nation and you refuse to acknowledge your neighbor, shyt goes south REALLY quickly. Period.

No matter how rough things are for you, they get exponentially worse by failing to engage in that aspect of diplomatic respect.

It'd be different if they didn't share borders.

That's why I keep saying you don't get it, there can't be a peace because the existence of these two nationalisms side by side contradicts that. One has to destroy the other or both have to be neutralized completely. Plus lets not act like Israel also doesn't refuse to negotiate with Hamas, this is a constant tit for tat situation. There is no peace solution or two state solution to be had, maybe you think so but I don't.

Stop telling me "what you don't understand"

I GET all of this, and I don't know what you want me to do to show you I know what the fukk i'm talking about for the most part. What I don't understand or know, I ask...I don't think you know who you're talking to. Not everyone you engage on here is an idiot.


we've already gone over this

lol, if you GET all of this why do I have to constantly go over shyt with you? I dont give a fukk who I'm talkin to breh you're not above anyone, the point I keep making is the one you keep missing which I have to keep expanding on.

The arab world has largely forgotten the strip. This isn't the 60s.

Arab leadership yes, the consensus amongst the people is a much different story.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

scust @ any dumbass telling an occupation resistance force to lay down their weapons in a mass killing spree they didn't even instigate...bu bu but the tunnels...

I'd like to see how some of you p*ssy ass nikkas would live in a place where they blockade food and essential goods for everyday life...

This is primarily what those tunnels are used for...

That cow, fish and cement to rebuild infrastructure are a serious threat to the safety of Israel...

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

That's why I keep saying you don't get it, there can't be a peace because the existence of these two nationalisms side by side contradicts that. One has to destroy the other or both have to be neutralized completely. Plus lets not act like Israel also doesn't refuse to negotiate with Hamas, this is a constant tit for tat situation. There is no peace solution or two state solution to be had, maybe you think so but I don't.

So why even get mad at israel in your view?

This is all pointless, no?