I Want To Believe... But I Can't: The Official 2023 New York Yankees Off-season Thread
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Sky went black in Baltimore.
holidayinn21
:SmugMoneyMike:
He's never coming back. EVER.I wonder what we could've offered to get D-Rob back?
He and the Yankees burned their bridges in 2019.
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
Peraza sent back down again 
. Wont play him, won’t trade him. I feel bad for the kid. This shyt has to harm his confidence.
. Wont play him, won’t trade him. I feel bad for the kid. This shyt has to harm his confidence.
What’s gonna do cashman in is the baby bombers of 2017 all suck now with the exception of judge who is a generational talent that would’ve been great anywhere. His drafting for the most part has been bad for 25 years.
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
and that in turn now makes everyone reluctant to go the youth route again even though you need those guys to pan out to win in today's MLB.
holidayinn21
:SmugMoneyMike:
Two games. On base six times
Best player in baseball. I don't wanna hear about no Ohtani
I don't think I've ever seen a baseball team so reliant on one guy to be great almost literally every game
Best player in baseball. I don't wanna hear about no Ohtani
I don't think I've ever seen a baseball team so reliant on one guy to be great almost literally every game
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
which is kinda why I didn't want him back. Judge has become the security blanket of the Yankees
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
I hate to say it, but IKF is not part of the problem.
Ron Mexico
Superstar
He's a good utility player which is what his role should be.
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
2 position players drafted by them since 1998 have panned out as franchise players:
Judge & Cano
That’s the whole list. Then there’s Gardner too with a career .255 average, maybe a .340 obp, and averages of about 10-11 homers per 162. After Gardner, the next best “success story” of the Yankees developmental system might be Gary Sanchez, which is just sad since he’s basically the poster guy for what not to do with a young prospect. No starting pitchers have panned out that came through the farm system. Closest thing to that would be Severino who has about 3 years worth of games where he was good in his 9 years as a Yankee.
Imagine the sort of RBI totals judge would be putting up if this team could develop young talent and it allowed him to hit 3rd or 4th like he should be (yeah yeah yeah I know Stanton and Trout have also won the MVP while hitting 2nd in the lineup but I just don’t like the sluggers hitting so early). That’s the biggest indictment of cashman. Every team whiffs on free agents or makes signings they end up regretting. No other team gets less out of their draft picks though. Look at what Judge has done the past 2 games. He’s not just the best player they’ve developed since probably Mickey Mantle, but he might be the best position player we’ve seen turn pro since the millennium turned. Hal cannot let this man’s prime conclude without reaching the World Series. He has to do something. Dude was gone for 2 months and picks up right where he left off like it’s nothing.
The only guy in recent memory who had to carry his team the way Aaron Judge does, was Alex Rodriguez in Texas.
AJtheOne
Nets/Giants/Yankees
Yankees will RISE in the standings 
ALL RISE
the Judge is back
ALL RISE
the Judge is back
Yankees will RISE in the standings
ALL RISE
no playoffs for you scrubs this year
Let's just look at Yankees 1st round draft picks under Brian Cashman because while you correctly highlighted the 2 players who DID pan out, adding some context helps to put Cashman's failures in perspective.
To be clear: baseball draft picks are historically volatile. Even the best prospects fail. And in some cases, players can refuse to sign for various reasons. Still, GMs are responsible for their choices.
1998:
Andy Brown OF - Never reached the majors.
Mark Prior RHP (compensation pick) - Could not agree with the Yankees on a contract. Went to college instead.
1999:
Dave Walling RHP - Never reached the majors.
2000:
Dave Parrish C - Never reached the majors.
2001:
John Ford-Griffin OF - Played 13 major league games...with the Toronto Blue Jays. Wound up part of a deal that later brought Jeff Weaver to the Yankees.
Bronson Sardinha SS - Played 10 major league games.
John Skaggs RHP - Never reached the majors.
2002: No 1st round draft picks
2003:
Eric Duncan 3B - Never reached the majors. (To make matters worse, in 2001, several picks after the Yankees chose Sardinha, the Mets took David Wright).
2004:
Phil Hughes RHP - 56-50 record with a 4.53 ERA across 182 games with the Yankees.
Jon Poterson C - Never reached the majors
Jeff Marquez RHP - Traded in a package that brought the Yankees Nick Swisher. Actually wound up pitching 4 innings for the Yankees in 2011 (out of a career 5 major league innings total).
2005:
CJ Henry SS - Never reached the majors.
2006:
Ian Kennedy RHP - 1-4 record with a 6.03 ERA across 14 games with the Yankees. Part of trade to get Curtis Granderson.
Joba Chamberlain RHP - Come on, man. I don't have to explain this, right?
2007:
Andrew Brackman RHP - Pitched 2.1 innings for the major league team. The Yankees drafted Brackman knowing he needed Tommy John surgery.
2008:
Gerrit Cole RHP - Decided to go to college instead. Cole's family had money and probably didn't feel the need to rush to the pros just yet. That's the rumor anyway.
Jeremy Bleich RHP - Pitched 0.1 major league innings for the Oakland Athletics in 2018. That's it.
2009:
Slade Heathcott OF - Hit .400/.429/.720 in 17 games in 2015. Heathcott had trouble staying healthy and it didn't help that the Yankees had a clusterfukk of outfielders and no real way to guarantee him playing time anyway. This one stings not only because Heathcott didn't work out, but because 4 picks earlier the Los Angeles Angels took Mike Trout....with a compensation pick from the Yankees for signing Mark Teixeira the previous winter.
I'll stop here because the next 13 years have been embarrassing, so I'l summarize this as best I can.
From 2010 to 2020, the Yankees made 14 first round picks. Of those 14, ten of them have not reached the majors.
Their Top Prospect, Jasson Dominguez, is currently in AA hitting .228/.352/.374 in 90 games.
Now there's the thing. Drafting players is difficult. Developing players is difficult. Working out good trades and signing free agents is difficult. But we're not talking about a franchise with meager resources like the Pittsburgh Pirates or Kansas City Royals here. If you're the New York Yankees, you have to be held to a much, MUCH higher standard here.
So the final question is....after 26 years on the job....what the fukk does Brian Cashman have to do to get fired? Because he seemingly doesn't have any argument for keeping his job.