I think Grime could blow up once they get good beats

[IllmaticDelta]

Ok I'm done here

Am I wrong?

 

[DaveyDave]

Ok I'm done here

technically it is, elec music as it is today was developed at the same time if not as a sub genre of Hip Hop

 

[IllmaticDelta]

technically it is, elec music as it is today was developed at the same time if not as a sub genre of Hip Hop

Hiphop production basically is the origin of the modern techniques used in all "EDM" music which was achieved on electronic hardware/software.

 

[Dushane Hill]

Basically all of the "black" music in the UK is based on the foundation of Afram music. All they do is add on top something from their own backgrounds.



the setting that created dancehall isn't all that different from the settings that birthed hiphop. The real reason grime has more similar visuals to HipHop is because that's what influenced it to a larger degree.

Both genres were created in similar built up urban environments in developed English speaking western countries. Dancehall was created in a developing country with people living wood shack slums, not high rise projects/estates.....all while being in a tropical climate. If your talking music iconography is a result of surroundings, environment, people and culture, do the math.

 

[Dushane Hill]

Article explaining why Grime isn't a sub genre of Hip Hop

Deeper Than Rap: Grime is Not a Subgenre of Hip-Hop

From a respected media outlet, not a Wikipedia link and diagrams found from google images

Grime’s clearest forefathers are reggae and dancehall, not hip-hop. Logan Samamentioned this in a recent discussion, as did Novelist in July’s No Ceilings interview. It’s even broken down by Breakage and Newham Generals with the tune “Hard,” in which David Rodigan symbolically passes the torch in his speech halfway through the track. Tracing the lineage of reggae and dancehall culture directly to grime is easy when we consider the almighty dub—the rework or remix of an existing recording.

This continuum stretches back to King Tubby and Lee “Scratch” Perry tinkering away in Studio One, Kingston, Jamaica. The mentality of re-visioning—or whatreggae theorist and filmmaker Julian Henriques calls “re-presenting”—existing music in new forms is at the crux of Jamaican music culture. The mass migration from the West Indies to the UK in the 1950s saw the culture come with the people, and acts such as Steel Pulse and Channel One Sound System are as British now as a cup of Earl Grey and a digestive biscuit, while their culture of dubs has been readily incorporated firstly into drum and bass and then grime.
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Dunno why this is so hard to understand. The amount of MC's I've seen say their main influences were people like Super Cat, Ninja Man etc. Theres always been Grime MC's that have bitten Dancehall artists lyrics and just flat out used them as their own.

Hell who remembers the stage show era when Skepta was coming out n stage dressed as a soldier, basically trying to replicate Sting.

 

[Therht]

House > US Garage > UK Garage > Influx of producers and MCs from Jungle > Speed Garage > 2 Step > Breakbeat > Grime

Hip Hop > UK Hip Hop

Hip Hop > Road Rap



Hope this helps @IllmaticDelta

 

[Dushane Hill]

Beg someone tell mw how guys like Flirta, Dee, Wiley etc. getting the most disgusting wheel ups at Eskimo dance is more reminiscent to Hip Hop than Dancehall

 

[JCalli]

Wrong thread

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Breakbeats/Funk drums + House > US Garage + HipHop and modern R&B (which is HipHop influenced) > UK Garage > Influx of producers and MCs from Jungle > Speed Garage > 2 Step >

2 Step Garage + Dancehall + HipHop > Grime (a distinctly UK take on HipHop)

 

[Therht]

[QUOTE="Therht, post: 18812430, member: 16583"]Breakbeats/Funk drums + House > US Garage + HipHop and modern R&B (which is HipHop influenced) > UK Garage > Influx of producers and MCs from Jungle > Speed Garage > 2 Step >

2 Step Garage + Dancehall + HipHop > Grime (a distinctly UK take on HipHop)[/QUOTE]

You are mixing up what you think happened with what actually happened

You are looking at an end result and working backwards to fit your own narrative, looking for the most obvious leads

If you had grown up here and actually lived through the natural evolution of our underground uk dance music culture you would understand this, but you didn't, and Google is your friend hence your conclusion

Grime could literally not have been conceived at any other time or place in the world other than in the early 00s in London

Heritage and influence are two very different things and that seems to be the thing you can't quite get your head around

 

[MikeyC]

technically it is, elec music as it is today was developed at the same time if not as a sub genre of Hip Hop

 

[u mad son?]

Beats moving to Trap and US influence is the worst thing that has happened to grime

infact the genre is near enuff non existent now, just because the beat is at 140 tempo doesnt mean shyt anymore .... its like 140bmp automatically makes it grime even though the beat couldn't possibly be anymore american



Jon E Cash beats were the ultimate when grime first came about, sublow days. Just minimalist, dark, skippy and violent.

 

[Dushane Hill]

Deeper Than Rap: Grime is Not a Subgenre of Hip-Hop

This article @Redwing80 posted explains everything

 

[u mad son?]

Grime was never a sub genre of hip hop, this talk needs to stop

Influenced by hip hop in terms of spitting but ultimately garage spitters set the foundation for spitting in UK, or even DNB/jungle spitters were the originators.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Grime could literally not have been conceived at any other time or place in the world other than in the early 00s in London

Heritage and influence are two very different things and that seems to be the thing you can't quite get your head around

again,


It's easy to tell the difference in delivery between the HipHop and Dancehall mc'ing. You can hear both styles in this song




more ragga style vocals (jungle)



more HipHop style (2 step garage....)

Skepta on Grime

@ :08 secs




@ 1:36




2008 Grime Docu...

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