Kobe has been a great player, top 15 player, the big problem for Kobe when we compare him to players like Lebron or Michael is he played with the most dominant guy ever in Shaq, a guy who would routinely get triple teamed. I personally just don't think Kobe was as good as fans thought/think he was during that period, he really came into his game in 2006. It seems fans of Kobe forget just how good Shaq was, there has never been a force like him, never!! Kobe skill wise is right there with Jordan, but as a teammate, he just doesn't compare, that team Kobe fans always complain about in 2005 and 2006 was basically the same team Jordan was winning the early titles and the last one with, a little better because of Pippen (early Pippen, the great Pippen we think of didn't appear till the Phoenix series), that 1998 team Jordan won with included a second best player that had a bad back and was totally ineffective. Kobe is really a great scorer, hence the reason he has only won one MVP, but I would still put him in the top 15