"I Know One Thing For Sure, Groh Gotta Go" **2020 Philadelphia Eagles Off-Season Thread**

[Controversy]

Yea that's why they have 8 picks to fill all needs, one of those being backup QB..

They have three 4th round picks coming up that they can fill 3 needs with. Their 3rd round pick should have filled another immediate need but they took a project player. And they took a slot WR in the 1st round right after the top WRs like Jeudy and Lamb went off the board lol. That's what y'all should be mad at those two picks.

Raegor ain't a slot receiver. His work is done on the outside fam

 

[KingCesar]

Hurts will be the hardest worker on the team it won't take him long to get acclimated

Unless they're Patrick Mahomes, almost every QB struggles in their first year playing as a starter. And that's even if they get starting reps in the offseason, which Hurts will not be getting. A rookie QB who has not taken a snap in the NFL is not who I want to see leading the team in an emergency. At least with a veteran, I know they're experienced enough to pick up the system and I have an idea of what their strengths and weaknesses are, so they can schemed around (e.g. Nick Foles, who had Pederson and Reich adjust the offense for him coming into the playoffs).

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

Raegor ain't a slot receiver. His work is done on the outside fam

That's why it's a bad pick. He's not ready to be a good outside WR in the NFL yet

 

[1thouwow]

I’m still distraught on this shyt but here ya go

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

Unless they're Patrick Mahomes, almost every QB struggles in their first year playing as a starter. And that's even if they get starting reps in the offseason, which Hurts will not be getting. A rookie QB who has not taken a snap in the NFL is not who I want to see leading the team in an emergency. At least with a veteran, I know they're experienced enough to pick up the system and I have an idea of what their strengths and weaknesses are, so they can schemed around (e.g. Nick Foles, who had Pederson and Reich adjust the offense for him coming into the playoffs).

Well yea I don't think they took Jalen expecting Wentz to get hurt right away. It won't take him long at all to learn the playbook and be ready to play though. I'd take my chances with him over a scrub like Flacco. And it's because you do know what you are gonna get from him lol that's exactly why you shouldn't want him

 

[1thouwow]

There’s still some good WRs on the board

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

There’s still some good WRs on the board

Yea Eagles can still have a good draft if they do well with this 4th round, still a lot of talent left

 

[KingCesar]

I’m still distraught on this shyt but here ya go

2017 Nick Foles was an experienced veteran QB already familiar with Doug Pederson and the general offensive system that he ran. Pederson scouted Foles in 2012 and also worked with him in 2016 as OC in Kansas City. On top of it all, 2017 Foles came onto a stacked team, with a Top 5 offense and defense, to a coaching staff that already understood who he was as a player and how to scheme around his weaknesses and maximize his strengths. Also, we didn’t waste premium picks on him.

Jalen Hurts is an inexperienced rookie QB who has never taken starter reps in the NFL, and will not be taking them in 2020 because Wentz is still the starter. To my knowledge, he is not familiar with Doug Pederson or the general offensive scheme that he runs. On top of that, Hurts will not be coming onto a team with a stacked offense and defense. He will be coming onto a team whose most productive receivers were two tight ends and a running back, and whose secondary gave up more big plays than any other in the NFL.

I’m not even saying that Hurts will be a bad player, I don’t know what he’ll be in the league, but he’s a huge gamble that the team took in lieu of using that premium pick on someone who could actually help make the Eagles better.

If this were 2019, and the Eagles were coming into the draft with a team presumably set at its most important positions, I’d wouldn’t be as frustrated as I am now. I’d still think it was a reach, but at least I wouldn't see the consequences for that reach being as bad as they are now. But you need those high picks. Statistically speaking, most starters are found in the 1st and 2nd Rounds of the draft. We made one pick (Reagor) to make the team better.

 

[Sire366]

And y'all are underestimating what Jalen can do in that Taysom Hill role as a WR/RB if Eagles go that route. And he'll be great for goal line and short yardage situations with his ability to be a wildcat QB but also throw the ball better than any other wildcat QB can lol

Taysom hill, and even a better version of Taysom hill, isn’t worth a second rounder... for example, Lynn Bowden or even former qb juwan Jennings (still there) can do the backup QBs/rb/wr guy

 

[Astroslik]

I just realized we could’ve drafted Jeremy Chinn
, and he will be an all pro

literally saw him play at SIU and it seemed like he belonged in the SEC or some shyt. His talent is ridiculous. Reminds me of Kam chancellor

 

[KingCesar]

Well yea I don't think they took Jalen expecting Wentz to get hurt right away. It won't take him long at all to learn the playbook and be ready to play though. I'd take my chances with him over a scrub like Flacco. And it's because you do know what you are gonna get from him lol that's exactly why you shouldn't want him

Again, Flacco is just an example. Replace him for whatever other veteran QB is available on the market and the argument is still the same. The point is, I want someone who I'm already familiar with. Even if I know someone like Flacco isn't good, there's plenty of tape out there on what he does well that a decent coaching staff might be able to play to his strengths, and I know that he can grasp a playbook, step in, and play in an emergency. This is exactly what the Eagles did with Foles (who isn't all that much better than Flacco, btw) and it worked better than anyone imagined it could have.

Hurts might be great, I'm not saying he isn't. The point is that he's a huge gamble the team spent a 2nd Round pick on when there were other options on the board who could have shored up some the biggest weaknesses that we have. You don't do that with premium picks.

 

[Stop_It_5]

Flacco is just an example here. The point is, I'd rather turn to a veteran who can grasp a system quickly in the event they need to come in during an emergency situation over a rookie who wouldn't even be getting training reps in the offseason. It's a strategy that's worked out pretty well for Philadelphia before. Meanwhile, they could take the 2nd Round pick and actually improve the team so that if the backup has to come in he can either 1) have decent wideouts to throw to, or 2) have a decent secondary that won't blow double digit leads.

Hurts hasn't taken a single snap in the NFL, so we don't know how good he'll be at the next level or if he's better than Flacco or not. At least with veterans, we already have an idea how good they'll be, which is what you want when you're looking for insurance. And that's how the Eagles actually operate.

I think the real reason Hurts was taken was that Howie had a high grade on him and wants to flip him down the line for more picks from a QB-needy team.

100000%. They felt the value was too good to pass up and that a QB with a 1st round grade fell in their lap. The goal here is to :

- Give Jalen a package of plays right away while they development him
- Hope Jalen kills it with that package and lights up OTAs + Preseason every summer
- Get someone to bite offering a value that exceeds that of pick #53

Throughout this process they've got what they hope is a premium backup making peanuts. It's a Howie/Lurie ahead of the curve/smartest guys in the room heat check. It's either gonna work masterfully or be apart of draft lowlight reels for the next 30 years, there's no inbetween.

 

[KingCesar]

100000%. They felt the value was too good to pass up and that a QB with a 1st round grade fell in their lap. The goal here is to :

- Give Jalen a package of plays right away while they development him
- Hope Jalen kills it with that package and lights up OTAs + Preseason every summer
- Get someone to bite offering a value that exceeds that of pick #53

Throughout this process they've got what they hope is a premium backup making peanuts. It's a Howie/Lurie ahead of the curve/smartest guys in the room heat check. It's either gonna work masterfully or be apart of draft lowlight reels for the next 30 years, there's no inbetween.

Lurie said almost exactly this a year ago, that the Eagles always want to be in the business of drafting and developing QBs to trade them to QB-needy teams. If Hurts is a serviceable backup in the meantime, that's great, but that's not the primary reason he's there. Sudfeld probably gets the start should something happen to Wentz, unless Hurts outperforms in in TC or something.

We've been talking a lot about Hurts as a backup in the event Wentz gets injured again, but we've already seen how the Eagles would approach that scenario. They sign veterans who they trust to step in immediately and play in an emergency, who can also provide experience and advice in the QB room. That's what Foles was there for, that's what McCown was there for, and 2/3 times it's worked.

And I don't hate this strategy, it's actually a pretty good one. If this were like the 2019 Draft and the Eagles were coming in free to choose almost anyone they wanted because they already had starters locked into almost every position, I wouldn't hate it so much. But we passed up on potential impact players at positions we're almost comically weak in to do this. That's what upsets me.

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

Taysom hill, and even a better version of Taysom hill, isn’t worth a second rounder... for example, Lynn Bowden or even former qb juwan Jennings (still there) can do the backup QBs/rb/wr guy

None of those guys are backup QBs lol. If Taysom Hill wasn't such a bad passer so he could be a backup QB then he would be a lot more valuable.

Again, Flacco is just an example. Replace him for whatever other veteran QB is available on the market and the argument is still the same. The point is, I want someone who I'm already familiar with. Even if I know someone like Flacco isn't good, there's plenty of tape out there on what he does well that a decent coaching staff might be able to play to his strengths, and I know that he can grasp a playbook, step in, and play in an emergency. This is exactly what the Eagles did with Foles (who isn't all that much better than Flacco, btw) and it worked better than anyone imagined it could have.

Hurts might be great, I'm not saying he isn't. The point is that he's a huge gamble the team spent a 2nd Round pick on when there were other options on the board who could have shored up some the biggest weaknesses that we have. You don't do that with premium picks.

Like which vet QB? There aren't any good ones out there. And there is enough out there to be able to play to Jalen's strengths too and he can grasp a playbook not sure why you keep implying that he can't.

It's a late 2nd round pick it's not that big of a deal lol. Like I said all they had to do was draft well around him and it wouldn't look so bad

 

[Lord Scion]

So I slept on it and.....


I still got nothin