I finally got around to watching the wire...

[hex]

You never heard of Skid Row have you? Its basically Hamsterdam for homeless and druggies. here lemme help you out. Skid Row, Los Angeles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you serious right now? That's not remotely similar to Hamsterdam. The fukk? Hamsterdam was a police sanctioned dead zone where drugs were legalized in an attempt to move crime away from more heavily populated areas. Skid Row is basically 50,000 homeless people the police can't contain, so they mostly don't try to.

Fred.

 

[Fury616]

Are you serious right now? That's not remotely similar to Hamsterdam. The fukk? Hamsterdam was a police sanctioned dead zone where drugs were legalized in an attempt to move crime away from more heavily populated areas. Skid Row is basically 50,000 homeless people the police can't contain, so they mostly don't try to.

Fred.

Read much? I said its basically a zone for homeless and druggies. Its actually worse than Hamsterdam cuz Skid Row is right there for everyone to see and nobody cares. And yes it is very similar to Hamsterdam. You'd have no problem selling your drugs to the addicts in Skid Row.

 

[Serious]

Are you serious right now? That's not remotely similar to Hamsterdam. The fukk? Hamsterdam was a police sanctioned dead zone where drugs were legalized in an attempt to move crime away from more heavily populated areas. Skid Row is basically 50,000 homeless people the police can't contain, so they mostly don't try to.

Fred.

Yes I am

bro, Hamsterdam, did happen.....

I have to look it up, but I remember Simon, did mention it was a real event...

 

[hex]

Read much? I said its basically a zone for homeless and druggies. Its actually worse than Hamsterdam cuz Skid Row is right there for everyone to see and nobody cares. And yes it is very similar to Hamsterdam. You'd have no problem selling your drugs to the addicts in Skid Row.

Skid Row exists because they cannot control the 50,000 people that live there, Hamsterdam was all about controlling that environment, to the point of falsifying crime scenes. You cannot sell drugs all willy-nilly on Skid Row, they raid that shyt all the time. Why? Because the police didn't sanction it. That alone makes it nothing like Hamsterdam.

If this is the type of shyt people think is similar to real life no wonder people say "The Wire" is realistic.

Fred.

 

[STAN JONES]

at Hamsterdam being real. I've never heard that before in my life, or is this another case of the writers taking something real (like the real Omar surviving a 6 story jump) and turning it into bullshyt (not only did he survive, but he limped around killing people using a mop as a crutch).

at people talking about "The Wire" is realistic. That shyt is less realistic than "Breaking Bad", because unlike "The Wire" that show never claimed realism. It's mission statement was: turn the protagonist into an antagonist. And they succeeded. Meanwhile "The Wire" is supposed to be real but turned into "Dexter" in the last season.

Which brings me to my next point. By David Simon's own admission, "The Wire" ain't supposed to be realistic. It's meant to be a dramatized, Greek tragedy set in Baltimore:



That's why you have certain mythic, larger than life figures like Omar and Brother Mouzone and Chris and Snoop. That's why Omar died the way he did.

So at using realism as some kinda yardstick for how good a show is. You might as well stick to the Discovery Channel.

Fred.

SMH why you gotta hate on the wire just to big up BB breh

And the hamsterdam shyt was real and it was citywide not just a couple neighborhoods like it was on the show

Ask anybody that was living in bmore around 91-92 before knockers

The Omar shyt was based on a nikka that got chased by the police down And he hang dropped from floor to floor in the projects(he didn't just jump to the ground like Omar did)

Most of the stories in the wire came from Ed Burns who was a cop in bmore and eventually worked his way up to police chief and he's said hella times he took alot of them stories from his police days and just changed names around or left some graphic shyt out but most of the shyt from the streets,schools,politics,etc are all real and really happened here

I know that Stringer character was made up and Chris and snoop puting bodies in the vacants wasn't real and the serial killer shyt ain't real either but other then that all the test of that shyt really happened

And what do you mean that's why Omar died the way he did? Most of the nikkas catching bodies out here are young dumb and don't value life

I thought Omar's death was perfect cause that's how shyt really is,not like when Mike merked Snoop and she sitting there talking bout how my hair look Mike

BB is a good show breh,one of my favorites but you can't stan BB and sit here and try to pick apart the wire and say its not realistic when BB is on some cartoon shyt right now

 

[Huellz Santana]

Fred...

obviously the Wire is dramatized and exaggerated. its a fukkin tv show. my point was that everything seemed plausible (sans Hamsterdam). cops were trying to do work, the system didn't care, drug dealers kept going.... eventually the cops go outside the system and catch the drug dealers. but at the end of the day nothing really changes. everyone is for themselves. the press is fukked up. schools are fukked up. etc.

the Wire did a wonderful job telling a story from multiple angles.

Breaking Bad is a great show. top notch actually. But its REALLY stretches the bounds of realism. If they weren't going for that, cool. all I was saying was by my standards the Wire was a pretty believable show and for that reason the writing was better and I ranked it higher.​

 

[Spenceful]

7 episodes?

I gave Seinfeld 5 seasons before I gave up on it.

And to actually think people were adamant that it was better than Frasier

 

[BrothaZay]

Breaking Bad is trash and terrible.

 

[Mr. Manhattan]

at Hamsterdam being real. I've never heard that before in my life, or is this another case of the writers taking something real (like the real Omar surviving a 6 story jump) and turning it into bullshyt (not only did he survive, but he limped around killing people using a mop as a crutch).



Fred.

Hamsterdam might have not been a realistic plot, but the writers went out their way and put great detail, layers, and emphasis on the whole situation
which made it feel plausible and authentic, it took about 4 episodes to set up Hamsterdam, and i thought they acknowledged the morality, conflict, and outcome of the situation excellently

Even though i love breaking bad, the plot is far fetched on the grand scale
I wish they never stated that Walter accomplished all what he did in one year
but fukk it still GOAT show

 

[Fury616]

Skid Row exists because they cannot control the 50,000 people that live there, Hamsterdam was all about controlling that environment, to the point of falsifying crime scenes. You cannot sell drugs all willy-nilly on Skid Row, they raid that shyt all the time. Why? Because the police didn't sanction it. That alone makes it nothing like Hamsterdam.

If this is the type of shyt people think is similar to real life no wonder people say "The Wire" is realistic.
Fred.

It don't matter if they can control Skid Row or not...it still exists in real life. The similarities are there you just don't care to see it. I see it cuz I was born and raised in LA. Hamsterdam=sectioned off for drug dealers and addicts to fake crime stats. Skid Row=sectioned off for homeless and addicts cuz nobody gives a fukk. Instead of the police sanctioning it like in the Wire, they just mostly turn a blind eye in Skid Row. And regardless of what you think you know, there is a form of control in Skid Row cuz they don't want that shyt spilling over into the rich, business areas of downtown LA.

LOL @ Skid Row being raided all the time...you have no clue wtf you talking about. "By 2005, Skid Row was a place of poverty, drug use, and crime, with Porta-Potty outhouses used for sleeping, drug use, drug dealing, and prostitution. The original purpose of the Porta-Potties was to prevent defecation on the street. In September, 2005, hospitals and law enforcement from nearby suburban areas were caught "dumping" homeless people at Skid Row upon their release." And today it is STILL one of the biggest shytholes in this country. pls stop it...LA is my home, I know what it is, you don't.

 

[hex]

at people claiming I'm hating on the show. I could actually defend this show better than the people I'm arguing against, if I chose to.

Donny Edwards survived a 6 story jump, straight down. He was Omar's partner in that shoot out. The main difference in "The Wire" is, he didn't go around murking people using a mop as a crutch.

http://www.vice.com/read/david-simon-280-v16n12

And another at "Omar died because lil nikkas are wild". This is what I'm talking about. You guys watch the show and don't even understand what's going on. When asked about why Omar had to die the way he did David Simon said:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2008/03/the-wire-david.html

In a few opening remarks, Simon repeatedly cited Greek tragedy's influence on "The Wire," explaining that in the place of the meddlesome Greek gods who randomly ruined people's lives he subbed in modern institutions. In what seemed a preemptive nod toward any outraged Omar fans in the audience, Simon also leaned on the same source to explain the fate for some of his show's most popular characters. "Those who want to know why Omar had to die, why Stringer had to die," he said, "Strap on a helmet, get in the game and read Antigone. Read Medea. It had to happen."

Right there the creator of the show cites doomed mythic figures from Greek tragedies when discussing the fates of Omar and Stringer. "The system" is a stand-in for Greek gods, at best apathetic to lesser beings (IE, junkies, dealers, cops), at worst detrimental towards their existence.

This is what I'm talking about when you guys claim realism. It's not meant to be realistic.

And yes, this show is actually less realistic than "Breaking Bad", comparatively speaking. The whole concept of "BB" is "turn a school teacher into Scarface". If you watch 1 ep of it, you've obviously suspended disbelief enough to accept that premise. Nothing they've shown is unrealistic within the confines of that premise.

People go on and on about how "The Wire" is a gritty realistic portrayal of life in the city but they introduced a fake serial killer on some "Dexter" shyt. There is nothing that far removed from the original premise on "Breaking Bad".

If you like "The Wire" better just say that. Playing the "realism" card you're shooting yourself in the foot, because the creator himself said it's modeled after Greek myths.

Fred.

 

[krackdagawd]

Great show but I like Breaking Bad a bit better.

 

[hex]

It don't matter if they can control Skid Row or not...it still exists in real life. The similarities are there you just don't care to see it. I see it cuz I was born and raised in LA. Hamsterdam=sectioned off for drug dealers and addicts to fake crime stats. Skid Row=sectioned off for homeless and addicts cuz nobody gives a fukk. Instead of the police sanctioning it like in the Wire, they just mostly turn a blind eye in Skid Row. And regardless of what you think you know, there is a form of control in Skid Row cuz they don't want that shyt spilling over into the rich, business areas of downtown LA.

LOL @ Skid Row being raided all the time...you have no clue wtf you talking about. "By 2005, Skid Row was a place of poverty, drug use, and crime, with Porta-Potty outhouses used for sleeping, drug use, drug dealing, and prostitution. The original purpose of the Porta-Potties was to prevent defecation on the street. In September, 2005, hospitals and law enforcement from nearby suburban areas were caught "dumping" homeless people at Skid Row upon their release." And today it is STILL one of the biggest shytholes in this country. pls stop it...LA is my home, I know what it is, you don't.

Skid Row been getting raided regularly since the 80s:

Bradley Says He's Responsible for Skid Row Raids - Los Angeles Times

Nobody raided Hamsterdam because the police set it up.

at you seriously not understanding the difference between apathy towards something, and actively cultivating it.

Fred.

 

[hex]

Hamsterdam might have not been a realistic plot, but the writers went out their way and put great detail, layers, and emphasis on the whole situation
which made it feel plausible and authentic, it took about 4 episodes to set up Hamsterdam, and i thought they acknowledged the morality, conflict, and outcome of the situation excellently

Even though i love breaking bad, the plot is far fetched on the grand scale
I wish they never stated that Walter accomplished all what he did in one year
but fukk it still GOAT show

Breh, the main difference is "Breaking Bad" never claimed to be realistic. It's entire premise is "turn a teacher into Scarface". So claiming it's not realistic ain't gonna work. People might as well claim "Game of Thrones" ain't realistic because it has dragons and undead. Ok, what does that have to do with anything?

"The Wire" is supposed to be realistic, but there is several things that aren't. Which is actually a much bigger problem than "Breaking Bad", because unlike that show this is meant to be realistic.

Fred.

 

[STAN JONES]

at people claiming I'm hating on the show. I could actually defend this show better than the people I'm arguing against, if I chose to.

Donny Edwards survived a 6 story jump, straight down. He was Omar's partner in that shoot out. The main difference in "The Wire" is, he didn't go around murking people using a mop as a crutch.

David Simon | VICE

And another at "Omar died because lil nikkas are wild". This is what I'm talking about. You guys watch the show and don't even understand what's going on. When asked about why Omar had to die the way he did David Simon said:

'The Wire': David Simon schools USC - latimes.com



Right there the creator of the show cites doomed mythic figures from Greek tragedies when discussing the fates of Omar and Stringer. "The system" is a stand-in for Greek gods, at best apathetic to lesser beings (IE, junkies, dealers, cops), at worst detrimental towards their existence.

This is what I'm talking about when you guys claim realism. It's not meant to be realistic.

And yes, this show is actually less realistic than "Breaking Bad", comparatively speaking. The whole concept of "BB" is "turn a school teacher into Scarface". If you watch 1 ep of it, you've obviously suspended disbelief enough to accept that premise. Nothing they've shown is unrealistic within the confines of that premise.

People go on and on about how "The Wire" is a gritty realistic portrayal of life in the city but they introduced a fake serial killer on some "Dexter" shyt. There is nothing that far removed from the original premise on "Breaking Bad".

If you like "The Wire" better just say that. Playing the "realism" card you're shooting yourself in the foot, because the creator himself said it's modeled after Greek myths.

Fred.

Actually living in bmore and seeing most of this shyt with my own eyes>>>>>>>>>googling a couple articles

And stop quoting David Simon breh everybody knows Ed Burns is the dude who really made the wire.most of the characters and stories came from him not Simon

How can you seriously say the wire wasn't meant to be real or BB is more realistic when 90-95% of the stories from the wire are real stories that Burns took from his days working with Baltimore police


Edit:if you think BB is better then cool I'm not trying to argue your opinion but to say BB is more realistic is just a flat out lie breh