Hulu's....Wu Tang: An American Saga Official Thread 9/8

[Mʀ2ᴋDᴇᴇᴢ]

nikka said the nikka who play Ghost starting to really act like him in real life. I think the roles are rubbing off in all the young actors aside from the cat playing RZA. But the actors for Rae, Ghost, and ODB are loving the roles to the point they bringing it into real life. Lol

Brehs from Wu all got dope ass personalities so I can see how that can happen

 

[nieman]

Yee exposed that she’s atleast 47-48 years old in this clip. Lol.

She's prob around that age. 1975 would've put her in college in '93, and been there when Wu was taking off. So would've graduated in '97 (Wu-Forever), and been lookin for her first job around the time of that. Envy is Nore's age, so that'd make him born in '77, and Charlamagne is '78 or '79. I know Charlamagne is around my age from his time in Philly, and I was born '80.

So what do you think happens in the next ep? We have CREAM as the title, and we'll prob get MK Chessboxin verse. They still have yet to sign with Rifkind...hell, he's still lookin for them.

 

[spliz]

She's prob around that age. 1975 would've put her in college in '93, and been there when Wu was taking off. So would've graduated in '97 (Wu-Forever), and been lookin for her first job around the time of that. Envy is Nore's age, so that'd make him born in '77, and Charlamagne is '78 or '79. I know Charlamagne is around my age from his time in Philly, and I was born '80.

So what do you think happens in the next ep? We have CREAM as the title, and we'll prob get MK Chessboxin verse. They still have yet to sign with Rifkind...hell, he's still lookin for them.

Yea I think we get Cream. Hopefully. Lol

 

[BuddahMAC]

If I'm not mistaken, there were actually two floods. The first one cost them Meth's original debut which had to be re-recreated hastily on the road (so maybe late 93-early 94) and then a second worse flood that destroyed Deck's entire solo, the original planned tracks for Forever, and preliminary stuff from everyone else's second solos. This would have to be mid to late 95 because Deck had his deal with Loud by then and was supposed to come out after GZA during that long period until Ghost dropped in 96.

Correct on a couple floods but to clarify the "destroyed Deck's solo" narrative, the flood(s) destroyed beats that RZA had set aside for members solos. For example, where you see RZA labeling beats w/ Clan members names in the show, RZA would do that and have whole sets of disks labelled for Meth or Deck or whoever & there would be whole sets of beats set aside with specific members in mind. That's how you get the narrative of Rae taking a "GZA" beat for Incarcerated Scarfaces- it was from the GZA stack. Now, there was an album's worth of beats set aside for Deck's album but they didn't really have much of anything recorded as proper songs.

RZA sees the catastrophe as a symbol. “For me, that same f*cking flood keeps popping up in my life. It popped up twice in the course of Wu-Tang [Clan]. As soon as we had finished [Enter The Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers], I already had Inspectah Deck’s [Uncontrolled Substance] album, Method Man’s [Tical] album prepared. Because back in those days we had floppy disks and I would make all the beats – Method Man’s session, Deck’s session, [Raekwon’s Only Built 4 Cuban Linx…] session, and I was ready to go. Here comes the flood that wiped away about 160 floppy disks. Because I didn’t think there’d be a flood. I had [the disks] on the floor, under the keyboard. You don’t think. Wu-Tang [Clan was] out doing some shows in Cleveland, whatever. [We came] back–water’s up this high, washed that all away. [We went] back to the drawing board. Cool.”

More than a year later, RZA says he was storing disks more carefully. After the creation of 1995’s Only Built 4 Cuban Linx… and GZA’s Liquid Swords, nature struck again.”Now, my studio is built. Everything is [stored up high], off of the floor. I feel like life is good. I just created [two acclaimed albums] and another flood comes. Higher. [It] destroys the tape machine, the board we had, [and other equipment].

RZA Discusses Losing Hundreds Of Wu-Tang Clan Beats & 2 Albums In Floods

“I lost at least 300 beats in the flood. When the first Wu album came out, we had all the other albums ready. I had the shyt with everybody’s names on it, and everybody had at least 15 beats in their section.”- RZA in VIBE

 

[The War Report]

Correct on a couple floods but to clarify the "destroyed Deck's solo" narrative, the flood(s) destroyed beats that RZA had set aside for members solos. For example, where you see RZA labeling beats w/ Clan members names in the show, RZA would do that and have whole sets of disks labelled for Meth or Deck or whoever & there would be whole sets of beats set aside with specific members in mind. That's how you get the narrative of Rae taking a "GZA" beat for Incarcerated Scarfaces- it was from the GZA stack. Now, there was an album's worth of beats set aside for Deck's album but they didn't really have much of anything recorded as proper songs.



RZA Discusses Losing Hundreds Of Wu-Tang Clan Beats & 2 Albums In Floods

All that heat dude lost. And you know he was in the zone when he made all those beats. Those floods doesn’t happen and RZA is looked at as the undisputed goat

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

That guy who plays rza is annoying

His voice is off, like he should be in a cheap Shakespeare play.. But i take it for it is
. Not a bad show, some cool creativity is featured..

 

[Raw Sauce]

Correct on a couple floods but to clarify the "destroyed Deck's solo" narrative, the flood(s) destroyed beats that RZA had set aside for members solos. For example, where you see RZA labeling beats w/ Clan members names in the show, RZA would do that and have whole sets of disks labelled for Meth or Deck or whoever & there would be whole sets of beats set aside with specific members in mind. That's how you get the narrative of Rae taking a "GZA" beat for Incarcerated Scarfaces- it was from the GZA stack. Now, there was an album's worth of beats set aside for Deck's album but they didn't really have much of anything recorded as proper songs.



RZA Discusses Losing Hundreds Of Wu-Tang Clan Beats & 2 Albums In Floods

I hear you but after having listened to Deck and looking at the timeline it's hard for me to believe he hadn't recorded any vocals on those tracks considering the proximity to when his album was originally supposed to come out. For example, "Not Ya Average Flow" was going to be on the original Uncontrolled Substance and it was ready for years which is why Method Man referenced it on "M.E.T.H.O.D. Man". Plus Deck stayed in the booth laying verse long before they were needed. So maybe not completely recorded and engineered but everyone, RZA and Deck included, consistently say Deck lost his whole first album.

 

[threattonature]

Correct on a couple floods but to clarify the "destroyed Deck's solo" narrative, the flood(s) destroyed beats that RZA had set aside for members solos. For example, where you see RZA labeling beats w/ Clan members names in the show, RZA would do that and have whole sets of disks labelled for Meth or Deck or whoever & there would be whole sets of beats set aside with specific members in mind. That's how you get the narrative of Rae taking a "GZA" beat for Incarcerated Scarfaces- it was from the GZA stack. Now, there was an album's worth of beats set aside for Deck's album but they didn't really have much of anything recorded as proper songs.



RZA Discusses Losing Hundreds Of Wu-Tang Clan Beats & 2 Albums In Floods

At around the 39:45 mark of this video Deck makes it sound like they lost full tracks. I could see him spending 15K trying to restore floppy disks strictly for beats.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

The Rza claims deck's supposed debut was on par with purple tape or slightly better.

 

[spliz]

The Rza claims deck's supposed debut was on par with purple tape or slightly better.

A lot of them have Deck as one of they favorite rappers. Deck need to chill wit the Pac was hating on him narrative he tryna push tho.

 

[Heavy_Handz]

Imagine the flood didn’t wipe out 300+ beats and we got not only Deck’s first proper solo album but also The Cure. I’m thinking RZA had so many beats in mind for that album and the flood ruined any chances of that ever coming to fruition

I always imagined The Cure would have sounded like

 

[TEKBEATZ]

The Rza claims deck's supposed debut was on par with purple tape or slightly better.

 

[FromBillionsCameOne]

If I'm not mistaken, there were actually two floods. The first one cost them Meth's original debut which had to be re-recreated hastily on the road (so maybe late 93-early 94) and then a second worse flood that destroyed Deck's entire solo, the original planned tracks for Forever, and preliminary stuff from everyone else's second solos. This would have to be mid to late 95 because Deck had his deal with Loud by then and was supposed to come out after GZA during that long period until Ghost dropped in 96.

oh shyt that's crazy cause it really was a whole year between LQ and Ironman

 

[BuddahMAC]

I hear you but after having listened to Deck and looking at the timeline it's hard for me to believe he hadn't recorded any vocals on those tracks considering the proximity to when his album was originally supposed to come out. For example, "Not Ya Average Flow" was going to be on the original Uncontrolled Substance and it was ready for years which is why Method Man referenced it on "M.E.T.H.O.D. Man". Plus Deck stayed in the booth laying verse long before they were needed. So maybe not completely recorded and engineered but everyone, RZA and Deck included, consistently say Deck lost his whole first album.

True, they were recording all the time and had loose songs everywhere (you hear Meth in 93 freestyles & on Tical shouting out GZA's KH 10304 too), so some full songs could easily have been lost in the mix w/ all the beats, but as far as starting to studio record and form those beats and songs into an album like RZA used to do w/ skits & sequencing- there wasn't much done besides there being a "Deck" stack & a loose Spiderman theme in those tracks that they've mentioned. So again, it's always seemed more they lost the foundation of what Deck's debut would have been rather than the way people often mention like he had a fully completed & recorded album on deck that got wiped out.

 

[BuddahMAC]

Imagine the flood didn’t wipe out 300+ beats and we got not only Deck’s first proper solo album but also The Cure. I’m thinking RZA had so many beats in mind for that album and the flood ruined any chances of that ever coming to fruition

The Cure wasn't really effected by the flood. That was more RZA got in his own way w/ Bobby Digital & never really started much of the music for it although he had all the lyrics written.

“I won’t release The Cure because at the time that I was scheduled to release it, I wasn’t living up to the words that I was inspired to write,” admitted RZA. “I live more to those words now—but still not fully. Maybe I’m like 70% livin’ like that. I still kinda like to go party, have my drinks. I’m still tempted by women and things like that. I’m not really dealin’ with a lot of infidelity like I was in the old days. I don’t do a lot of drugs like I used to do. But I still get my lil’ weekend parties on,” He elaborated. “I’m not sayin’ we shouldn’t party, ’cause life should be enjoyed, but sometimes, the cure that I was writing about, was [where] you could have Heaven every moment of your life, in yourself.”

Ever illusive, RZA waved, “Maybe I will release that album; maybe it’ll be a book. Maybe somebody will find it and discover it, and maybe another artist will record it for me. But I wrote a lot of positive lyrics, and I strive as best I can, to be a positive example for humanity. Because I want to be somebody who helps humanity, not somebody who hurt us.”

RZA Explains "The Cure" Delay, Wu-Tang Clan's "A Better Tomorrow" Progress

Some of the Cure tracks he tracked beats for have been mentioned:

99 Attributes To Allah was a track from The Cure. There were two other songs I forgot the titles of. Something with 'Sun...' Not Sunshower but something like that. Sunshower was a Cure track by the way, and it's these type of beats that were being made for The Cure. Bit more digital, but still with the crispy drums and RZA shifting between '97 RZArecta and Bobby Steels.- Cilvaringz

The track he's referencing is Sunshine/You Are My Sunshine. Here's specific songs RZA & Cilva mentioned from The Cure:

"I have my daughter singing on the first single, `You Are My Sunshine’ -it’s about me being a young black man in America, trying to make a change for himself and his community. Usually when a black man is in that position, throughout the course of history he has always been assassinated or persecuted. In this she’s singing, `Don’t take my father away, don’t take any of our great men representing the cause of equality away.’ I really go into the essence of what a lot of the enlightened men - like Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, J.F.K. - talk about. I have some fun stuff on there, though, like `Pugilism.’ It’s about martial arts -like a razor blade to your ear.” - RZA

"I have a song called 'The 99 Attributes Of Allah'. That song could make you cry. I've got a song called 'Pugilism', which goes into different forms of Chi Kung. It's a fantasy world but it gives you some of the potential power of it"- RZA

RZA, whose original soundtrack album 'RZA as Bobby Digital In Stereo' is released on Monday, has told NME that his next album proper - entitled 'The Cure' and scheduled for release on Gee Street next year - will be "a beautiful album, a grown man piece of work". Tracks like 'Flowing Down The River Of Life' show the elevated ghetto teacher in RZA, though this higher plane couldn't be accessed until he'd exorcised his sexist superhero side through Bobby Digital's anti-PC battle grooves and Prince-oid sexy grinds.

"The Cure has some of the deepest lyrics I ever heard in life. Some tracks include: "Mozes", "Knowledge Wisdom Understanding", "99 Attributes Of Allah" and one about RZA being a sperm cell going through violent battles to fertilize the egg."- Cilvaringz

That last bit is obviously See The Joy which RZA had lyrically on deck even pre-Wu but I don't think he made it into a full song until BOAP sessions (Cilva could confirm).

Bang. You can always count on Buddah Mac to come through.

So:

99 Attributes To Allah
Pugilism
Sunshine
Moses
Knowlegde Wisdom Understanding
Flowing Down The River Of Life


See The Joy was meant to be the intro to The Cure, but at the end of BOAP. The album would finish with the actual birth of the Prince. Prince Rakeem... and then The Cure would be next.- Cilvaringz