How would Goku & Superman do against eachother's rogues

[Jplaya2023]

Ive seen my uncle completeky demolish a 200 lb heavy bag with one punch so much it hit the ceiling and crashed to the ground. Ive never seen a boxer do this. He benches like 600 these days tho. Anyone hit by that mans punch is flying like superman hit em. Bruce lee trained his forearms and wrists relentlessly.

If correctly trained yes a quick snap will cause massive damage but lifting weights does help. Ive seen the difference wit my own eyes.

Who would you rather take a straight flush punch from

arnold
or
mike tyson

 

[TNC]

Ive seen my uncle completeky demolish a 200 lb heavy bag with one punch so much it hit the ceiling and crashed to the ground. Ive never seen a boxer do this. He benches like 600 these days tho. Anyone hit by that mans punch is flying like superman hit em. Bruce lee trained his forearms and wrists relentlessly.

If correctly trained yes a quick snap will cause massive damage but lifting weights does help. Ive seen the difference wit my own eyes.

You are correct, its why almost every athlete, including fighters do strength training. Lifting weights won't improve your punching technique, accuracy and timing, which is more important towards the end goal, but it can increase the overall force you generate.


Its just another reason why some of these posters don't know what they are talking about. Never trained a martial art in their lives yet want to tell people who have how it works. Never read a comic in their lives, yet want to tell people what is and isn't bullshyt in a fictional world.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Who would you rather take a straight flush punch from

arnold
or
mike tyson

Mike is trained heavy weight fighter. 220 lbs of muscle and power. Why you think the small dudes be hitting each other non stop with no knockouts and heavy weight fights end so quickly?

I know ive see tyson hit a heavy bag and never did what i seen my uncle do.

If u think u could take a straight shot from either your buggin the fukk out

 

[IAmGettingAMailOrderBride]

goku has mastered martial arts at a young age since roshi

- blackierobinson

 

[chico25]

Bruh, I can tell that you have some knowledge on the topic, but the idea that Superman doesn't use his speed when fighting his villians is just untrue. I can provide countless examples that prove he does. Just off the top, in a 10 second search...

1. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/54191/2712779-2374115_1630908_superman_phasing.png

2. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/54191/2712780-2374123_doomsdayrex118xm.jpg

3. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/54191/2712781-2374128_robotkz6.jpg

4. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/54191/2712782-2374129_sm21013tk0.jpg

5. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/54191/2712783-2374131_supermanv2172pg13.jpg

6. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...84-2374136_week01_2000_superman_v2_152_04.jpg


The KEY POINT about this is that Superman holds back and only really uses his speed when he needs to or when he is fighting an opponent that has superspeed as well. Against a fast fighter like Goku, he will take notice of his speed and adjust accordingly.


Regarding Goku's method of attack, personally I DO believe Goku has planet busting power, but he has never actually done that feat before. How he would actually bust a planet is up for debate but nobody in DBZ Pre-BotGs has ever busted a planet physically, thus I don't believe they are capable of it from any time pre Buu saga. And him teleporting and using a Kamehameha can work on some, but its not going to stop the upper tier villians Superman deals with and it'd take a very focused attack for him to do this without blowing up the planet and killing himself. He'd have to do what he did to Cell and land a direct attack and if he does that to Mongul, Doomsday, Brainiac, Atlas or the upper tier guys, they are all fast enough to react to him and possibly counter. Goku vs. the Upper tier of Superman's villians is a tough battle in any means.

Your scans only help my point, they show superman using his speed and his villains not being able to touch him while he does so because they don't have speed on that level themselves. It''s evidence that when they do hit him it's because he is holding back and not using his speed to go all out. Unless you can show me scans of the villains using some form of super speed themselves I'm done here.

 

[TNC]

Your scans only help my point, they show superman using his speed and his villains not being able to touch him while he does so because they don't have speed on that level themselves. It''s evidence that when they do hit him it's because he is holding back and not using his speed to go all out. Unless you can show me scans of the villains using some form of super speed themselves I'm done here.

Gotcha:

Here is Doomsday using superspeed (albeit some of it is hyperbole):

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119340/3726305-7832387647-37118.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/2/24850/598066-superspeed2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/2/24850/598067-superspeed.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/12780/612615-doomsdayhunterprey_1pg38.jpg



Here is Ultraman using superspeed:




Flash using superspeed against Superman:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111158149/4685245-19.1.jpg


I can probably continue, but to be honest a large percentage of Superman villians use superspeed, it'd be easier and quick to just ask me which ones have and use superspeed and I can tell you Yes or No.


Superboy Prime using superspeed:

Photo by Aaron Straker

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/12780/1224597-realvsclone8.jpg

http://therec-room.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/feats-number-4-a.jpg

 

[InvictusAeternusEternus]

Superman like with his strength also has to greatly hold back his speed because unlike the flash he doesnt control the speed force. If Superman went full speed in the earths atmosphere he would tear the planet
apart

 

[TNC]

Superman like with his strength also has to greatly hold back his speed because unlike the flash he doesnt control the speed force. If Superman went full speed in the earths atmosphere he would tear the planet
apart

^ This too. The Speed Force allows Flash to do all kinds of things people with normal super speed just can't do.

 

[OneManGang]

Speed force is the biggest plot device ever. I hate it

 

[Master Teacher]

Speed force is the biggest plot device ever. I hate it

DC superheroes outside of Batman are just the dumbest characters one could think of,

that speed force shyt is worst than the thundercat cats sword which came up with a new power every episode

While Superman might be as fast or faster than Goku he is never shown using that speed in his fights. That's how people with no documented superspeed manage to hit him all the time. Just like you say we can't assume that Goku is a planet buster just because he beat planet busters we can't assume these villains have superspeed because they hit a man with superspeed.

Based on your own argument that superman holds back so he doesn't kill people it would make since that he would move slower in a fight to be more careful.

Superman is not faster than Goku

Goku can travel across the galaxy in an instant and through dimensions

superman's not faster than Goku lmao

Raditz and Nappa did everything Zod did and more they were equal to superman lmao

 

[Master Teacher]

Breh, I read and watched all of DBZ, I am very aware of what Goku is and isn't capable of. What I've been saying is you cannot argue a point or feat that has not happened, even if it is likely. Saying Goku would lose to Superman in the majority and a portion of his villains in the majority is NOT underrating him.

I do agree Goku could and would beat most villians, just not all of the top tier ones mentioned in this thread.

And I said he NEEDED help with Radditz, not that a peak Goku would need help. And that is true. In their initial fights Raditz beat Goku and in the final battle Goku needed Piccolo and Gohan's help to beat him and still died in the process.

Raditz was way stronger than Goku and Piccolo, and they still won

Goku died because he was in a defenseless position and took a direct hit from piccolo's special move which he used to completely destroy the moon a few episodes later

 

[Master Teacher]

Superman like with his strength also has to greatly hold back his speed because unlike the flash he doesnt control the speed force. If Superman went full speed in the earths atmosphere he would tear the planet
apart

Goku could destroy the planet with a kamehama which is why he always aims it towards space, and he could do that early in the series let alone he gets stronger everytime he fights

superman's villains are wack, goku could destory darkseid's planet with one blast

 

[Master Teacher]

the funny thing is that even though goku isnt weak to kryptonite, he is too naive to make taking on superman's villains easy work. i could imagine him losing the mental gymnastics to any of the super genius or trickster types. hopefully it's an all out war and not some kind of complicated story arc situation...

mental gymnastics like what

goku can only be harmed by people with more powerful energy

that mental gymnastic is just terrible comic book writing to justify superman having trouble with the likes of fukking lex luthor

 

[Master Teacher]

Only MM has a chance to can see Superman, and your examples in that paper are pre-New 52 by the way.

I keep telling yaw, Superman only gives his enemies a taste. Whenever he gets really annoyed and turns it on, it's not even close. Here's another example:



Yaw keep underrating Superman. He really can't be messed with.

This shyt doesn't compare to DBZ
Vegeta was destroying planets at the beginning of the series, and goku was stronger than him after king kai training





Piccolo blew up the moon, he would blow up Apokalipz

and keep in mind this at his weakest point

The thing about DBZ is they all start out with superman's abilities but face enemies far more powerful yet still come out on top

superman never faces anyone stronger and faster than him

 

[Master Teacher]

When's the last time Superman got shot by a random no-name goon and let the Earth get destroyed?

I'll wait

When did this happened