How will Joe Biden GOVERN? General Biden Administration F**kery Thread

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Sam Seder is my idea of a leftist. Not trust fund dirtbag leftists pretending reading Marx makes them arbiters of anti-capitalist rhetoric and movement building. They cant even win elections, much less talk to actual black democrat core voters.

The fukk has any of these online white leftists truly done?

You seem really determined to shove anyone with non liberal beliefs into the "grifter" box that you can quickly dismiss. There's grifters from all over the political spectrum. That doesn't say anything about leftism as a political ideology.

I dont know what "the left" means outside of just saying Pelosi and Schumer suck.

Screaming about "force the vote" doesn't mean you're a fukking leftist.

And that's the problem. You admit you don't know what you're talking about, but you continually criticize leftists and try to make them all out to be Jimmy Dore or Briahna Joy Gray.

 

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This is why I made the comment about "appearing" to be pro labor. Biden is asking Congress to force the labor side of the dispute to accept terms from the side of capital, instead of forcing capital to accept the terms from labor. They're asking for paid sick days, not Maseratis. The rail industry made tens of billions of dollars in profits last year. There's no reason not to allow rail workers more than 3 paid sick days a year other than pure greed and class war.

Not a single part of the liberal machine is even willing to admit that's an option. If he wants to be known as the pro labor President he needs to quit barking and put his money where his mouth is.

 

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This is why I made the comment about "appearing" to be pro labor. Biden is asking Congress to force the labor side of the dispute to accept terms from the side of capital, instead of forcing capital to accept the terms from labor. They're asking for paid sick days, not Maseratis. The rail industry made tens of billions of dollars in profits last year. There's no reason not to allow rail workers more than 3 paid sick days a year other than pure greed and class war.

Not a single part of the liberal machine is even willing to admit that's an option. If he wants to be known as the pro labor President he needs to quit barking and put his money where his mouth is.

Rail workers earning 150k after this

The recommendations would provide 24% compounded wage increases by 2024, with 14.1% of those increases effective immediately, along with additional service recognition bonuses totaling $5,000 over the course of the contract. An agreement based on these terms would lead to the largest general wage increase in nearly 40 years. While the Biden PEB’s recommendations markedly exceed the rail carriers’ proposal, they provide a useful basis to reach a resolution. In the interests of all rail stakeholders, now is the time for railroads and their unions to reach a contract. The industry is prepared to propose agreements based on the PEB’s recommendations to provide our employees with long overdue pay increases and avert rail service interruptions.”

These recommendations, if implemented, would include the most substantial wage increases in decades—with average rail worker wages reaching about $110,000 per year by the end of the agreement,” it said. “When health care, retirement, and other benefits are considered, the value of rail employees’ total compensation package, which already ranks among the highest in the nation, would average more than $150,000 per year.”

No need for hyperbole Berniewood.

Paid Vacation: Under the national collective bargaining agreements, rail employees receive, on average, three weeks of paid vacation. More senior employees receive up to five weeks of vacation. All rail employees also receive a combination of holidays and personal leave days (up to 14 days for each employee, depending on craft and seniority). In the current round of negotiations, the carriers proposed that an additional paid leave day be added for all rail employees, and the PEB recommended adopting the carriers’ proposal.

https://www.aar.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/AAR-Overview-Freight-Rail-Employee-Time-Off-Policies-Fact-Sheet.pdf

150k and 2 to 3 weeks paid vacation isnt completely unreasonable and we shouldn’t frame it that way.

Obviously we don’t want people using vacation time for sick days though and it is a reasonable ask, but congress not going to shut down the country over it considering other factors.

 

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Obviously we don’t want people using vacation time for sick days though and it is a reasonable ask, but congress not going to shut down the country over it considering other factors.

I do agree here. It's an active negotiation table issue not a lets go on strike one.

 

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Trump would never do something like that. He wouldn't be able to climb back up the stairs, and if it were on flat ground, he would rant for 10 minutes about how he inspired the team

 

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Rail workers earning 150k after this




No need for hyperbole Berniewood.

https://www.aar.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/AAR-Overview-Freight-Rail-Employee-Time-Off-Policies-Fact-Sheet.pdf

150k and 2 to 3 weeks paid vacation isnt completely unreasonable and we shouldn’t frame it that way.

Obviously we don’t want people using vacation time for sick days though and it is a reasonable ask, but congress not going to shut down the country over it considering other factors.

Didn't I offer you a ban bet I'm that I'm not Berniewood? Offer is still on the table.

The rail workers are asking for more paid sick leave, that's the hang up in the negotiations right now. Again, they're not asking for Maseratis. You agree it's a reasonable ask. My point is, if you're going to force through a decision, why wouldn't you choose the side of labor? There are two sides in the negotiation, and "the most pro-labor President of all time" thinks it's the unions that should be forced to concede. Why not force the railroad companies to concede? There is nothing that says the government must always take the side of industry over the workers, even though that seems to be the standard that's been set.

 

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Didn't I offer you a ban bet I'm that I'm not Berniewood? Offer is still on the table.

The rail workers are asking for more paid sick leave, that's the hang up in the negotiations right now. Again, they're not asking for Maseratis. You agree it's a reasonable ask. My point is, if you're going to force through a decision, why wouldn't you choose the side of labor? There are two sides in the negotiation, and "the most pro-labor President of all time" thinks it's the unions that should be forced to concede. Why not force the railroad companies to concede? There is nothing that says the government must always take the side of industry over the workers, even though that seems to be the standard that's been set.

It's been explained Bernie.

It's called pattern bargaining. Because 8 of the 12 labor unions agreed to the terms it established a pattern. So the recommendation is to push that forward.

This isn't new nor a surprise and folks calling for a strike expected this.

At the end of the day labor is only as strong as they collectively bargain. Blame union leadership and workers who felt this was enough.

Regarding Biden, he can only sign the bill and he'd be an idiot to handicap the country over 100k people especially during inflation and an impending recession during Christmas while also trying to maneuver the debt limit.

 

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It's been explained Bernie.

It's called pattern bargaining. Because 8 of the 12 labor unions agreed to the terms it established a pattern. So the recommendation is to push that forward.

This isn't new nor a surprise and folks calling for a strike expected this.

At the end of the day labor is only as strong as they collectively bargain. Blame union leadership and workers who felt this was enough.

Regarding Biden, he can only sign the bill and he'd be an idiot to handicap the country over 100k people especially during inflation and an impending recession during Christmas while also trying to maneuver the debt limit.

That's fair, but we're just talking about sick days here. There's also the issue that everyone knew government was going to step in and Rail leveraged the shut down to harden their stance.

You can't say labor is only as strong as they collectively bargain when the government is involved. Disagreements between the different unions is just part of collective bargaining. We're literally talking about congress forcing through a decision in the negotiation. There is pressure being applied by outside forces. If instead, Biden said he would nationalize the industry if big rail couldn't be trusted to run the country's railway systems, the pressure would be on the other side for them to quickly offer up those sick days. He decided to go a different direction, and now it's looking like we might have a different outcome because of it.

 

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Quotes from union guys who feel Biden shyt on them/let them down. Sad.

"The actions speak for themselves. Don't tell me what you are. Show me what you are," said Ross Grooters, a railroad engineer from Des Moines, Iowa and co-chair of the advocacy group Railroad Workers United. "He's not stepping up for workers in the way that he should be."

Hugh Sawyer, a railroad engineer of 34 years and union member, said he understands why Biden wants to avoid an economic disaster from a rail shutdown. But he doesn't believe the president needed to interject and end talks with unions still lacking greater scheduling flexibility, paid leave and other demands. "I feel like he's just thrown us under the bus," Sawyer said. "I really am disappointed."

"It is not enough to 'share' workers' concerns,'" the Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employees Division of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters said in a statement. The group said Biden's call to Congress "denies railroad workers their right to strike while also denying them of the benefit they would likely otherwise obtain if they were not denied their right to strike."

Michael Baldwin, president of the Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen, said Biden let down his members. "We're trying to address an issue here of sick time. It's very important," he told CNN. "This action prevents us from reaching the end of our process."

 

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That's fair, but we're just talking about sick days here. There's also the issue that everyone knew government was going to step in and Rail leveraged the shut down to harden their stance.

You can't say labor is only as strong as they collectively bargain when the government is involved. Disagreements between the different unions is just part of collective bargaining. We're literally talking about congress forcing through a decision in the negotiation. There is pressure being applied by outside forces. If instead, Biden said he would nationalize the industry if big rail couldn't be trusted to run the country's railway systems, the pressure would be on the other side for them to quickly offer up those sick days. He decided to go a different direction, and now it's looking like we might have a different outcome because of it.

The president can't unilaterally nationalize the rail system nor can he overrule what they've collectively bargained.

Here's what the PEB recommended:

The recommendations from the Presidential Emergency Board (PEB) — a panel of arbitrators appointed by President Biden — would provide immediate and historic pay increases to rail employees. Equipped with these recommendations, the parties worked to negotiate voluntary agreements before the final “cooling off” period expired. Now, rail unions are working through their ratification processes, which vary from union to union.
If ratification proceedings are unsuccessful and agreements cannot be reached with all rail labor unions, Congress can, and has, historically intervened. In this case, equipped with the report, Congress could implement the PEB’s recommended terms in whole.
Summary of PEB Recommendations
• Pay: Employees would receive a 24% compounded wage increase during the five-year period from 2020 through 2024, with a 14.1% wage increase effective immediately. Employees would also receive service recognition bonuses totaling $5,000 over the course of the contract. Retroactive wage increases and lump sum payments would provide employees with an immediate payout totaling more than $11,000 on average upon ratification. In total, these are the most substantial compensation changes in many decades in the railroad industry.
• Healthcare: Employees would maintain some of the best healthcare plans in the nation. The PEB recommended, “modest improvements” that maintain platinum benefits and set employee contributions at 15% per month. These costs are lower than relevant benchmarks for employer-sponsored health care plans and would bring rail workers in closer line with employees in other industries.
• PTO: Employees would receive an additional paid personal leave day per year.
• Craft-Specific Rules: The recommendations address limited work rule changes for certain crafts, including a process to make scheduling changes that will improve predictability and quality of life for operating craft employees and travel reimbursement rate increases for maintenance of way employees.

The truth is, the negotiations came to a stand still and they couldn't handle them on their own. Folks on here were requesting the white house intervene and they did.

Did this lead to the workers getting everything they wanted? No, but that was never going to be the case.

At the end of the day labor isn't some good a priori. And when their requests threaten to affect harm in the greater good you're going to see government intervention -- no different than what we expect when corporations threaten to harm the greater good.

 

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EXCEPT there are loopholes in there that still allows states to do just that