How was the 94 Crime Bill viewed by black Americans during that time period

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Yeah we hated Bill Clinton so much that after this crime bill we re-elected him, deemed him the first “black” president and almost got his Vice President elected president after him.


I grew up in the 90's, and this is not true.
The first "black president" thing was a play on a joke. Nobody took that seriously. Black people did like bill, he balanced the budget and neutralized the deficit, so he was in alot of peoples good Grace's. But first black president thing...NO
 

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nikka shut the fukk up that article disproves nothing that the people who were actually around are saying you ignorant biracial suburb geek. I was smoking black and milds, listening to Snoop, The Chonic and Bone Thugs and serving as a little lookout for my cousins who were selling crack and heroin by 94 came around. Had already buried a uncle and a cousin lost to the streets. My best friend had just lost his sister to gang violence. I remember the protests and the people, pastors, community leaders and all of that begging for a bigger police presence.

Yeah we hated Bill Clinton so much that after this crime bill we re-elected him, deemed him the first “black” president and almost got his Vice President elected president after him. Hindsight is 20/20 but don’t tell nikkas to google some cac article for answers for a era they lived through and saw first hand in their own hoods.
you stupid fakkit, you should have died instead of your uncles und cousins, unless they were c00ns too.

You where saying the CBC was all for the bill BUT THEY WERE NOT. THEY HAD THEIR OWN PROPOSAL. Again you are deflecting, you can't even clean up your bullshyt. You said black people loved the bill, but they were forced to go along with it, or it would get worse.
 

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You have to realize crime in a major cities in the early 90s were at a ridiculously high rate. Government shouldn't do anything to fight crime? :heh: But I don't believe we should be locking people up for drug crimes.
 

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Most of us on this site were either two young to even be thinking about politics or in the age bracket being targeted which more than likely wasn’t the group voting for this.

Alot of the people who were for this kind of stuff was our grandparents generation who were big on respectability politics and crime was out of control and were down to do anything to lower crime.
 

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If you would think rationally, you'd see that the decline in murders via the "murder capital of the year" started around the time the bill was passed.


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Overall drop in murder rate seems to have started roughly in 1994 also.

We can discuss the topic like adults, or you can continue to rant.
YOU ARE CONFLATING STATISTICS. DO YOU THINK WE ARE RETARDED LIKE YOU?
 

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We know black people wanted resolve. BUT DISCUSSING WHAT THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT(How was the 94 Crime Bill viewed by black Americans during that time period), Black people didn't want that.

I don't remember even one everyday person talking about the Crime Bill in 1994.

Many of us used to listen to Imhotep Gary Byrd on WLIB radio everyday. I do remember heavy conversation from him about Newt Gingrich's right-wing Contract With America. Folks called it the "Contract ON America."
 

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you stupid fakkit, you should have died instead of your uncles und cousins, unless they were c00ns too.

You where saying the CBC was all for the bill BUT THEY WERE NOT. THEY HAD THEIR OWN PROPOSAL. Again you are deflecting, you can't even clean up your bullshyt. You said black people loved the bill, but they were forced to go along with it, or it would get worse.

The CBC voted for the crime bill overwhelmingly. They had a companion bill that was supposed to be enacted in addition to the crime bill that added preventive reforms to it but did not take away any of the tough on crime aspects of it. fukk outta here trying to rewrite history. Black leaders and the CBC stood next to Bill Clinton as he signed the gotdamn thing. More importantly mayors, black mayors, of urban communities were also passing tough on crime initiatives in response to the rampant gun and drug violence that was occurring. I don’t need a gooogle article to tell me these things cause I saw it in real time you suburban herb.
 

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You have to realize crime in a major cities in the early 90s were at a ridiculously high rate. Government shouldn't do anything to fight crime? :heh: But I don't believe we should be locking people up for drug crimes.
WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE CRIME BILL THO? Everyone hated 3 strikes. There was even a movie called 3 strikes
 

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I don't remember even one everyday person talking about the Crime Bill in 1994.

Many of us used to listen to Imhotep Gary Byrd on WLIB radio everyday. I do remember heavy conversation from him about Newt Gingrich's right-wing Contract With America. Folks called it the "Contract ON America."
This is the reason WHY CBC LEADERSHIP WENT WITH THE CRIME BILL @dj-method-x . That was more draconian than the crime bill.
 

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I was in hs at the time, and I didn't follow politics so I didn't know anything about bills or anything like that...but the "tough on crime" talk by politicians up to that point seemed necessary imo. The discussion wasn't just based on anything that happened overnight....but it got to a point where immediate action had to be taken.
 

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The CBC voted for the crime bill overwhelmingly. They had a companion bill that was supposed to be enacted in addition to the crime bill that added preventive reforms to it but did not take away any of the tough on crime aspects of it. fukk outta here trying to rewrite history. Black leaders and the CBC stood next to Bill Clinton as he signed the gotdamn thing. More importantly mayors, black mayors, of urban communities were also passing tough on crime initiatives in response to the rampant gun and drug violence that was occurring. I don’t need a gooogle article to tell me these things cause I saw it in real time you suburban herb.
You obviously DIDN'T READ THE ARTICLE. They voted BECAUSE THEY HAD TO YOU ILLITERATE fakkit


AS political candidates and pundits grapple with the legacy of the 1994 crime bill and the era of mass incarceration that has seen millions of African-Americans locked in the nation’s prisons, one defense keeps popping up: that black citizens asked for it.

When confronted about her husband’s pivotal support for the bill, Hillary Clinton argued, even as she admitted the legislation’s shortcomings, that the bill was a response to “great demand, not just from America writ large, but from the black community, to get tougher on crime.”

Yet the historical record reveals a different story. Instead of being the unintended consequence of the democratic process at work, punitive crime policy is a result of a process of selectively hearing black voices on the question of crime.

There’s no question that by the early 1990s, blacks wanted an immediate response to the crime, violence and drug markets in their communities. But even at the time, many were asking for something different from the crime bill. Calls for tough sentencing and police protection were paired with calls for full employment, quality education and drug treatment, and criticism of police brutality.

the same social investmentthat reformers used to manage crime in white immigrant communities. But while whites received rehabilitation and welfare programs, black citizens found themselves overpunished and underprotected.

During the 1960s, blacks argued for full socioeconomic inclusion and an end to discriminatory policing, which they argued was a root cause of that decade’s urban unrest. Instead, they got militarized police forces and riot tanks in the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968.

In the ashes of the war on poverty, the trend accelerated. The penal system ballooned, while social supports directed toward the poorest and most vulnerable declined precipitously. Black leaders argued for full employment in the press and on the floor of Congress, urged vetoes of draconian legislation and drafted their own bills to support community-led anti-crime programs — and all to little avail.

Flash forward to the Clinton era. As soon as Chuck Schumer, Joseph R. Biden Jr. and others introduced their bipartisan crime bill in September of 1993, groups representing black communities pushed back. The N.A.A.C.P. called it a “crime against the American people.

While supporting the idea of addressing crime, members of the Congressional Black Caucus criticized the bill itself and introduced an alternative bill that included investments in prevention and alternatives to incarceration, devoted $2 billion more to drug treatment and $3 billion more to early intervention programs. The caucus also put forward the Racial Justice Act, which would have made it possible to use statistical evidence of racial bias to challenge death sentences.

Given the history of selective hearing, what followed was no surprise. Black support for anti-crime legislation was highlighted, while black criticism of the specific legislation was tuned out. The caucus threatened to stall the bill, but lawmakers scrapped the Racial Justice Act when Republicans promised to filibuster any legislation that adopted its measures.

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In final negotiations, Democratic leadership yielded to Republicans demanding that prevention (or “welfare for criminals” as one called it) be sliced in exchange for their votes. Senator Robert Dole insisted that the focus be “on cutting pork, not on cutting prisons or police.” The compromise eliminated $2.5 billion in social spending and only $800 million in prison expenditures.

This presented black lawmakers with a dilemma: Defeating the bill might pave the way for something even more draconian down the line, and lose critical prevention funding still in the bill. Ultimately, 26 of the 38 voting members supported the legislation. But those who broke ranks did so loudly: As Representative Robert C. Scott of Virginia explained, “You wouldn’t ask an opponent of abortion to look at a bill with the greatest expansion of abortion in the history of the United States, and argue that he ought to vote for it because it’s got some highway funding in it.”

Mr. Scott had it right: The bill allocated federal funds for up to 75 percent of the cost of new prisons, defined 60 new capital offenses, constricted inmates’ access to higher education and introduced 100,000 more police officers. Less than a quarter of the funding went to prevention programs. Over two decades later, this legislation continues to shape the lives of millions of African-Americans, overwhelmingly for the worse. This legislation further entrenched the idea that vulnerable urban communities are best managed through harsh punishment and heightened surveillance.

Making our neighborhoods places of mobility and fortune, not disinvestment and confinement, means that the voices of the people most affected must be heard and heeded. As we debate how to switch course, our popular understanding of the rise of “get tough” laws should not layer selective memory atop selective hearing of the past by justifying black incarceration with trite references to black voices.
Opinion | Did Blacks Really Endorse the 1994 Crime Bill?
 

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Most black politicians and "leaders" supported it as a solution to rising drug and gang related crime that plagued black communities. In retrospect it did a lot of harm.

There are a few older heads on here who have commented on this topic before and stated crime was a big issue during this time.

Crime was totally out of control. For a perceptive, the homicide rate in NYC was 2000 in 1993. Today, it's under 500. You can extrapolate that for all major cities in the U.S.

People talk about Chiraq, but Chicago is way safer than it was in the late 80s and early 90s. shyt got so bad there you would hear the term endangered species, referring to young black men.
 

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You obviously DIDN'T READ THE ARTICLE. They voted BECAUSE THEY HAD TO YOU ILLITERATE fakkit

That article that you keep posting is an one opinion piece. You can find several articles contradicting that, that people use TO THIS DAY to criticize the CBC.

Analysis: Black Leaders Supported Clinton's Crime Bill

Analysis: Black Leaders Supported Clinton's Crime Bill
April 8, 2016, 11:33 AM EDT
By Yolanda Young

The resentment that black social justice activists have been feeling towards Bill and Hillary Clinton's 1994 crime bill reached its apex at a Philadelphia campaign rally Thursday in which Bill Clinton was heckled and faced down signs like "CLINTON Crime Bill Destroyed Our Communities."

In February, Michelle Alexander, law professor and author of “The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness” penned an essay titled, "Hillary Clinton doesn't deserve the Black vote."

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 contained an expansion of the federal death penalty to include drug offenses, the "Three Strikes, You're Out" rule, and billions in funding for police, prisons, and states that made it harder for people to get parole (though Mr. Clinton neglected to mention this when he mentioned that most prisoners are incarcerated by the state).

But if Bill and Hillary Clinton were the pot, black politicians, activists, and pastors were the kettle. Their support of punitive measures actually paved the way for Clinton. It began with the man Ebony Magazine called the "front-line general in the war on drugs."

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President Reagan hands his wife, First Lady Nancy Reagan, the pen he used to sign a $1.7 billion anti-drug bill at the White House. Looking on from the far left is Representative Charles B. Rangel.Vince Mannino / Bettmann via CORBIS



On tapes secretly recorded by former president Richard Nixon, Congressman Charles Rangel can be heard in closed door meetings urging Nixon to be more aggressive on the "War on Drugs."

RELATED: Analysis: Did Nancy Reagan's War on Drugs Backfire?

“Public enemy number one in the United States is drug abuse. In order to fight and defeat this enemy, it is necessary to wage a new, all-out offensive,” the Harlem Democrat can be heard saying in words that Nixon would later mimic.

Rangel opposed drug legalization and embraced police militarization. He stood proudly by Nancy as President Ronald Reagan signed another drug-war law

Curiously, Rangel was among the 11 Congressional Black Caucus members who voted against Clinton's Crime Bill, which did not lack of black support. In addition to the dozens of pastors who signed a letter in support of the bill, it also had the support of black mayors. Kurt Schmoke, the first elected black mayor of Baltimore, was a vigorous supporter.

Even then U.S. Representative Kweisi Mfume, then chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) who understood the bill was a means to “find better ways to incarcerate people” eventually buckled, not only supporting the bill, but was ultimately responsible for its passage by rallying a majority of CBC members to vote for it after the bill was nearly derailed on a procedural issue.


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Baltimore's Mayor Kurt Schmoke (C) testifying in front of the House Select Committee on Narcotics Abuse & Control regarding the legalization of drugs.Terry Ashe / The LIFE Images Collection/Getty

The Clintons quite likely were motivated by political expediency -- appealing to white voters with "tough on crime" measures; however it is clear black leaders were simply desperate to rid communities of the gang violence terrorizing their communities. The crime wave was real with rapes, assaults, and murders at never before seen levels, especially in inner-cities.

They didn't have the benefit of knowing what we do now: that the death penalty would be disproportionately administered to black defendants; that many imprisoned didn't pose a serious threat; that many of the "criminals" had actually been victims of childhood lead poisoning which studies show link to "impulsivity, behavioral problems, hyperactivity, and impaired cognition, all of which are associated with crime."
 
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