How the Quran was formed. (Historical Breakdown)

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Again, Muslims do not worship Mohammad (as much as you incorrectly want to keep repeating it. . . ). It's clear you keep saying this as a deflection to Christian idol worship which you partake in, after changing the Bible a million times and ascribing weird practises never preached by Jesus :mjgrin:

I really do want to believe you though, so please tell me which version of the Bible I should read to learn this truth you talk about :mjgrin:. (Going to make a wild guess, crickets again??)

Do you include Muhammad in your prayer?

There was a time “Muhammad” the Arab prophet didn’t exist.

He wasn’t needed then so why is he needed now?

He wasn’t prophesied

He wasn’t accepted to be a prophet from Israel

If you believe in the religion of Jesus, why do you need to mention Muhammad and NOT Jesus?

Doesn’t matter if you say “we don’t worship Muhammad” it’s what your actions show.

Plus, why would I believe what you say, in Islam you’re permitted to lie for the “sake of Allah”?

I already answered your question multiple times but you won’t accept anything I say because you’re indoctrinated so deeply into a cult you basically blind and deaf

You don’t need to believe me or even ask me for answers.

The answer is right in front of you in the Quran via the Torah & Injeel and prophets of Israel

1. If you have any doubt, Open up a Bible and read just as your Quran commands you.

2. Or just pray to God and ask for the answers

But can you at least tell us if you are an ARAB or not? :manny:

What are you, breh? :jbhmm:
 
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Ok - which version?

The same one MUHAMMAD had in his hands :unimpressed:

And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming the Torah which is between my hands (musaddiqan lima bayna yadayya min al-tawrati), and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One. Yet when he hath come unto them with clear proofs, they say: This is mere magic. S. 61:6

The same TORAH Jesus read and learned from as a JEW.

A similar expression can also be noted with regards to Prophet Jesus,(pbuh) who similarly came to confirm aspects of the Torah that was 'between his hands' (coexistent with his ministry) and to make clear what may have had become concealed or obscured to the Jewish nation.



005.046 “ And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Torah between his hands (Arabic: ma bayna yadayhi) : We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Torah that (was) between his hands : a guidance and an admonition to those who fear God”

The SAME INJEEL that ALLEGEDLY allah would use to make Jesus followers WIN until the resurrection

Allah said, ‘O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ’”

how will JESUS followers remain superior (by “allahs” doing mind you) hundreds of years later and until “end days” without the UNCORRUPTED INJEEL in their possession FOR THE DURATION OF THIS TIME PERIOD? :ohhh:

The same TORAH & INJELL Jews and Christians at the time had PHYSICALLY which they could READ as quoted in the QURAN scripture (which is a historical account of the time) which ACCORDING TO YOU being a Muslim is true.




IF YOU AREN’T CONVINCED BY NOW, WATCH THE VIDEO BREH.

YOU LOST:yeshrug:

See breh, the Quran came THIRD hundreds and even thousands years after the Torah and INJEEL scriptures was “revealed”(to use your terminology).

The QURAN needs to prove itself as valid and legitimate not the inverse as you’ve been deceived to believe

Can the Quran declare ITSELF as being standard of Judgement or bear witness to ITSELF? No, because that is circular logic

WHO HOLDS THE QURAN ACCOUNTABLE?

No person or “book” to come AFTER Muhammad confirms the Quran so it is open to doubt and criticism FIRST because it, by its own nature depends on Judaism & Christianity

But the QURAN WRITERS do affirm the legitimacy and AUTHORITY of the TORAH & INJEEL at the time over anything being taught by MUHAMMAD or other FALSE PROPHETS

Even Muhammad wasn’t trying to take credit for deceiving anyone. He gave you an option to look it up and FACT CHECK even his own teachings…….. right @MMS :youngsabo:

LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR :beli:

THE TORAH & INJEEL ARE THE STANDARD OF JUDGING THE QURAN (which didn’t even exist at the time) MESSAGE/TEACHING

I KNOW THE TORAH & INJEEL so I can read the QURAN and decide what in it is FALSE or CORRUPTED/INVENTED by man

See the clear truth in this POV and NOT your own attempt at REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY which says the BIBLE is corrupted because it doesn’t agree with the QURAN (which hadn’t even been written at the time)

THE TORAN & INJEEL IS THE CRITERION OF JUDGING THE FUTURE QURAN (which didn’t exist at the time of Muhammad)

THIS IS THE SAME LOGIC MUHAMMAD APPLIES IN 7th CENTURY ARABIA when confronted in debates

I guess I’m just listening to Muhammad :manny:

EVEN IF I BELIEVED WHATS IN THE QURAN TO BE THE WORD OF GOD IN 2025, THE QURAN EXISTS TO TELL ME NOT TO TRUST THE QURAN

AND IF I AM A MUSLIM AND SMART ENOUGH TO QUESTION THE QURANS HISTORICAL RELIABILITY, THE QURAN ITSELF DIRECTS ME TO READ THE BIBLE & INJEEL

SO BREH, are you smart or dumb?
 
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Even Muhammad wasn’t trying to take credit for deceiving anyone. He gave you an option to look it up and FACT CHECK even his own teachings…….. right @MMS :youngsabo:



EVEN IF I BELIEVED WHATS IN THE QURAN TO BE THE WORD OF GOD IN 2025, THE QURAN EXISTS TO TELL ME NOT TO TRUST THE QURAN

AND IF I AM A MUSLIM AND SMART ENOUGH TO QUESTION THE QURANS HISTORICAL RELIABILITY, THE QURAN ITSELF DIRECTS ME TO READ THE BIBLE & INJEEL

SO BREH, are you smart or dumb?

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The same one MUHAMMAD had in his hands :unimpressed:

And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming the Torah which is between my hands (musaddiqan lima bayna yadayya min al-tawrati), and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One. Yet when he hath come unto them with clear proofs, they say: This is mere magic. S. 61:6

The same TORAH Jesus read and learned from as a JEW.

A similar expression can also be noted with regards to Prophet Jesus,(pbuh) who similarly came to confirm aspects of the Torah that was 'between his hands' (coexistent with his ministry) and to make clear what may have had become concealed or obscured to the Jewish nation.



005.046 “ And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Torah between his hands (Arabic: ma bayna yadayhi) : We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Torah that (was) between his hands : a guidance and an admonition to those who fear God”

The SAME INJEEL that ALLEGEDLY allah would use to make Jesus followers WIN until the resurrection

Allah said, ‘O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ’”

how will JESUS followers remain superior (by “allahs” doing mind you) hundreds of years later and until “end days” without the UNCORRUPTED INJEEL in their possession FOR THE DURATION OF THIS TIME PERIOD? :ohhh:

The same TORAH & INJELL Jews and Christians at the time had PHYSICALLY which they could READ as quoted in the QURAN scripture (which is a historical account of the time) which ACCORDING TO YOU being a Muslim is true.




IF YOU AREN’T CONVINCED BY NOW, WATCH THE VIDEO BREH.

YOU LOST:yeshrug:

See breh, the Quran came THIRD hundreds and even thousands years after the Torah and INJEEL scriptures was “revealed”(to use your terminology).

The QURAN needs to prove itself as valid and legitimate not the inverse as you’ve been deceived to believe

Can the Quran declare ITSELF as being standard of Judgement or bear witness to ITSELF? No, because that is circular logic

WHO HOLDS THE QURAN ACCOUNTABLE?

No person or “book” to come AFTER Muhammad confirms the Quran so it is open to doubt and criticism FIRST because it, by its own nature depends on Judaism & Christianity

But the QURAN WRITERS do affirm the legitimacy and AUTHORITY of the TORAH & INJEEL at the time over anything being taught by MUHAMMAD or other FALSE PROPHETS

Even Muhammad wasn’t trying to take credit for deceiving anyone. He gave you an option to look it up and FACT CHECK even his own teachings…….. right @MMS :youngsabo:

LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR :beli:

THE TORAH & INJEEL ARE THE STANDARD OF JUDGING THE QURAN (which didn’t even exist at the time) MESSAGE/TEACHING

I KNOW THE TORAH & INJEEL so I can read the QURAN and decide what in it is FALSE or CORRUPTED/INVENTED by man

See the clear truth in this POV and NOT your own attempt at REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY which says the BIBLE is corrupted because it doesn’t agree with the QURAN (which hadn’t even been written at the time)

THE TORAN & INJEEL IS THE CRITERION OF JUDGING THE FUTURE QURAN (which didn’t exist at the time of Muhammad)

THIS IS THE SAME LOGIC MUHAMMAD APPLIES IN 7th CENTURY ARABIA when confronted in debates

I guess I’m just listening to Muhammad :manny:

EVEN IF I BELIEVED WHATS IN THE QURAN TO BE THE WORD OF GOD IN 2025, THE QURAN EXISTS TO TELL ME NOT TO TRUST THE QURAN

AND IF I AM A MUSLIM AND SMART ENOUGH TO QUESTION THE QURANS HISTORICAL RELIABILITY, THE QURAN ITSELF DIRECTS ME TO READ THE BIBLE & INJEEL

SO BREH, are you smart or dumb?

Which version of the Bible then? The king James? :mjgrin:

That version would've been hundreds of years after his time, right?

You see how flimsy your shyt is? Hence you are writing essays to avoid answering a simple question .

Are you smart or dumb :heh:
 

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Which version of the Bible then? The king James? :mjgrin:

That version would've been hundreds of years after his time, right?

You see how flimsy your shyt is? Hence you are writing essays to avoid answering a simple question .

Are you smart or dumb :heh:

No breh, ask yourself that question. What Bible was Muhammad referring to in the Quran?

You’re the Muslim. You believe in the book and Muhammad as well that he is the mouthpiece of God so that’s a problem you need to deal with.

Let me know when you have the answer.

I gave you the words from Quran in my “essay” so I guess the Quran is a dumb book and not clear enough or sufficient for you.

Take it up with God not me.

You lost. Keep burying yourself deeper.

Back to the original topic of the thread

 

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No breh, ask yourself that question. What Bible was Muhammad referring to in the Quran?

You’re the Muslim. You believe in the book and Muhammad as well that he is the mouthpiece of God so that’s a problem you need to deal with.

Let me know when you have the answer.

I gave you the words from Quran in my “essay” so I guess the Quran is a dumb book and not clear enough or sufficient for you.

Take it up with God not me.

You lost. Keep burying yourself deeper.

Back to the original topic of the thread


Why is the question such kryptonite to you? :heh: :mjgrin:

If you understand why I am asking this question, you will realize that your belief system is corrupted. You know this though, hence why you keep deflecting and have dodged the question around a dozen times in this very thread. You repeatedly take the L every time with your flimsy replies :hubie:

You'll revert soon though breh, only so long you can keep peddling your nonsense :mjgrin:
 

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Why is the question such kryptonite to you? :heh: :mjgrin:

If you understand why I am asking this question, you will realize that your belief system is corrupted. You know this though, hence why you keep deflecting and have dodged the question around a dozen times in this very thread. You repeatedly take the L every time with your flimsy replies :hubie:

You'll revert soon though breh, only so long you can keep peddling your nonsense :mjgrin:



You probably should worry about your own book….. or should I say books? :leon:

May your Imams guide you on which version to choose :banderas:
 

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You probably should worry about your own book….. or should I say books? :leon:

May your Imams guide you on which version to choose :banderas:

Once again, as expected you dodge the question :dead:

You are embarrassing yourself with all the repeated L's you've taken. Why is the question such kryptonite to you :mjgrin:
 

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See history proves the Quran isn’t even a “book” and never was meant to be

It’s just a commentary or criticism of previous scraps of the Torah/Injeel (what they considered to be at the time) and other random religious texts

The “believers” Muhammad followers give their interpretation of the religious books and ideas that existed and dominated at the time they lived

They are just engaging in debates and discussions

You can say the Muslims were ain’t ARAB PAGANISM specifically because that address the issue in their communities

But they didn’t come up with any NEW teachings or “BOOK”

They just refer to vague scriptures, stories and teachings passed down orally

Maybe Arab Jews and Christians who were educated and probably missionaries has physical “Torah & INJEEL” scriptures written WITH THEM

But illiterate, poor, savage Arabs in the middle of the desert had nothing but hearsay to stand on

How could they start their own RELIGION without any credibility

THEY CANT EVEN PRODUCE THE ORIGINAL TEXTS or EVEN EXPLAIN WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS OF THE CONTENTS MUHAMMAD HAD from which the future QURAN would be based off.

Even today Muslims can’t show you their ORIGINAL texts which the Quran refers to.

They just say the “Torah & INJEEL” which was lost or “corrupted”
 

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I see OP still dodging which version of the Bible is the truth :heh:

Can any of the other "Christians" in this thread answer this question? OP taking L after L :pachaha:
 

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I see OP still dodging which version of the Bible is the truth :heh:

Can any of the other "Christians" in this thread answer this question? OP taking L after L :pachaha:

I can respect a good troll :banderas:

However, if this is your attempt at “dawah” you failed miserably:manny:
 

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I can respect a good troll :banderas:

However, if this is your attempt at “dawah” you failed miserably:manny:
It was your attempt at "christian" dawah but you still cant tell me which version of the bible - go on, last chance :mjgrin:

Or you want to keep taking L's :dead:
 
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