How soon until the NFL makes this mandatory for players in games?

[Tony D'Amato]

Tua woulda been hurt regardless. Aint nobody trying to watch games with dat shyt

 

[concise]

They should just do away with helmets. They should study if Rugby players have the same rate of concussion as football players.

Rugby vs Football: Which Is More Dangerous? - FloRugby

Both rugby and football are high-impact sports, but which one is more dangerous?

www.florugby.com

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Rugby vs Football: Which Is More Dangerous? - FloRugby

Both rugby and football are high-impact sports, but which one is more dangerous?

www.florugby.com

For people who aren't gonna click and read, the link says that even though rugby is a slower, less vertical sport with no hits above the shoulders and a rule that you can only do wrap-up tackles....they STILL have a higher concussion rate than football. Which pretty much deads the "no helmet is better" argument.

When it comes to concussions, research conducted by Complete Concussion Management in 2018 revealed that of all sports, men's rugby had the highest rate of concussion for people over the age of 18, with a rate of 3.0 concussions per every 1,000 players per game. Football comes in second with 2.5 concussions per every 1,000 players per game.

For players under the age of 18, rugby was also number one, at 4.18, while football was third at 0.53. As far as injuries in general, a study performed by doctors Nienke W. Willegenburg, James R. Borcher, and Richard Quincy of Ohio State University in 2016 showed that collegiate rugby players suffered injuries at a rate of 15.2 per every 1,000 players per game, while collegiate football players got injured at a rate of 4.9 per every 1,000 players per game

You could likely argue that football concussions are undercounted/underreported, but rugby concussions could be undercounted/underreported as well.

The only way to limit concussions is to change the culture (stop gassing up big hits), change the rules (get even more strict about banning hits led with and to the head, possibly even for offensive players), get better helmets, or stop playing football.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Removing helmets will reduce concussions. Forearms and elbows do not equate to someone at TopSpeed launching their entire weight of their body behind their helmet. Football would no doubt become bloodier.

But there would be a lot less concussions and head trauma.

Hits wont be as brutal.

People will laugh but this is true. Back in the day when they had leather helmets players didn't launch themselves carelessly.

If you watch Rugby, players know not to lead with their heads when they make a tackle.

No human being is willing to run full speed and go head first into a player without a helmet. There’s a level of coordination in rugby tackles that you Don’t see in American football. If I can bring my helmet across your thigh to make a tackle, that only exists in American football. That won’t happen in rugby and if American football remove the helmets, tacklers would have to make the adjustment.

Helmets are the worst thing to happen to American football

Cats think that Burfict is going to launch his head at Antonio Brown the same way if there was no helmets. This play never happens in a no helmet league. We all played Pickup Football growing up with no helmets and nobody ever got a concussion because we didn't run like crash test dummies.

No one… Is going to… Go head first…. To make a tackle….Without a helmet.

It doesn’t matter the situation. No one will do it. They will only do so wearing a helmet. Helmets cause these collisions because players don’t have to worry about bruising their faces and heads when tackling. No one wants to bust their face open to make a tackle

I've always said they should go with no helmets because defenders wouldn't foolishly launch head first anymore if they had no protection. Running Backs aren't going to lower their heads like a battering ram. It would decrease Concussions by a significant amount.

Hope y'all see that study showing rugby players get more concussions than football players.

Rugby players don't lead with their head because it's a slower, less vertical sport, because you're not allowed to make hits above the shoulders, and because you're required to wrap up on tackles. And they STILL have concussions at higher rates than football players do and CTE is a big issue in the rugby community.

 

[Hey_zeus]

Leatherheads byke

 

[2legit]

Hope y'all see that study showing rugby players get more concussions than football players.

Rugby players don't lead with their head because it's a slower, less vertical sport, because you're not allowed to make hits above the shoulders, and because you're required to wrap up on tackles. And they STILL have concussions at higher rates than football players do and CTE is a big issue in the rugby community.

There is no such thing as a football concussion study. Who was reporting it? For every concussion reported in the NFL, 100 don't get reported. We saw Tua get concussed for a 3rd time this week. If this was 5 years ago, no one would have heard about that concussion. Back in the day Steve Young got 10 concusssions and Troy Aikman got 15 of them and your study would report them as having zero concussions.

 

[Peruvian Connect]

For people who aren't gonna click and read, the link says that even though rugby is a slower, less vertical sport with no hits above the shoulders and a rule that you can only do wrap-up tackles....they STILL have a higher concussion rate than football. Which pretty much deads the "no helmet is better" argument.





You could likely argue that football concussions are undercounted/underreported, but rugby concussions could be undercounted/underreported as well.

The only way to limit concussions is to change the culture (stop gassing up big hits), change the rules (get even more strict about banning hits led with and to the head, possibly even for offensive players), get better helmets, or stop playing football.

you can get a concussion from sneezing. ain't no way to prevent it. It's a part of life.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Hope y'all see that study showing rugby players get more concussions than football players.

Rugby players don't lead with their head because it's a slower, less vertical sport, because you're not allowed to make hits above the shoulders, and because you're required to wrap up on tackles. And they STILL have concussions at higher rates than football players do and CTE is a big issue in the rugby community.

There’s no way to avoid Concussions. But two people running full speed and purposely or accidentally butting heads is just brutal to the brain compared to almost anything done without an helmet

 

[Harry Sax]

Cats think that Burfict is going to launch his head at Antonio Brown the same way if there was no helmets. This play never happens in a no helmet league. We all played Pickup Football growing up with no helmets and nobody ever got a concussion because we didn't run like crash test dummies.

Is this really a foul play? We hit like that all the time coming up

 

[the elastic]

The only player to die on field, died of a heart attack and this was in '71.

I'm surprised tbh.

 

[StatUS]

They get concussions in the NBA and yall talking about no helmet NFL

 

[Professor Emeritus]

you can get a concussion from sneezing. ain't no way to prevent it. It's a part of life.

I thought your shytposting on basketball was all a troll job but maybe this is just how you think.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

There is no such thing as a football concussion study. Who was reporting it? For every concussion reported in the NFL, 100 don't get reported. We saw Tua get concussed for a 3rd time this week. If this was 5 years ago, no one would have heard about that concussion. Back in the day Steve Young got 10 concusssions and Troy Aikman got 15 of them and your study would report them as having zero concussions.

This has nothing to do with the NFL, it's a direct cohort study based on communication with the medical staffs involved in both sports. Sure, concussions are likely underreported, but unless you think that medical professionals are speaking completely differently to researchers when they report for one sport as they do when they report for the other sport, then the comparisons are still valid:

Comparison of Injuries in American Collegiate Football and Club Rugby: A Prospective Cohort Study - PubMed

Overall injury rates were substantially higher in collegiate rugby compared with football. Similarities between sports were observed in the most common injury types (sprains and concussions), locations (lower extremity and head), and mechanisms (direct player contact). Upper extremity injuries...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Purpose: To directly compare injury rates in American collegiate football and rugby, specified by location, type, mechanism, and severity of injury, as reported by licensed medical professionals.

Methods: Licensed medical professionals (athletic trainer or physician) associated with the football and rugby teams of a National Collegiate Athletic Association Division I university reported attendance and injury details over 3 autumn seasons. Injuries were categorized by the location, type, mechanism, and severity of injury, and the injury rate was calculated per 1000 athlete-exposures (AEs). Injury rate ratios (IRRs) were calculated to compare overall, game, and practice injury rates within and between sports.

Results: The overall injury rate was 4.9/1000 AEs in football versus 15.2/1000 AEs in rugby: IRR = 3.1 (95% CI, 2.3-4.2). Game injury rates were higher than practice injury rates: IRR = 6.5 (95% CI, 4.5-9.3) in football and IRR = 5.1 (95% CI, 3.0-8.6) in rugby. Injury rates for the shoulder, wrist/hand, and lower leg and for sprains, fractures, and contusions in rugby were >4 times as high as those in football (all P ≤ 0.006). Concussion rates were 1.0/1000 AEs in football versus 2.5/1000 AEs in rugby. Most injuries occurred via direct player contact, especially during games. The rate of season-ending injuries (>3 months of time loss) was 0.8/1000 AEs in football versus 1.0/1000 AEs in rugby: IRR = 1.3 (95% CI, 0.4-3.4).

Conclusion: Overall injury rates were substantially higher in collegiate rugby compared with football. Similarities between sports were observed in the most common injury types (sprains and concussions), locations (lower extremity and head), and mechanisms (direct player contact). Upper extremity injuries were more common in rugby, and the rate of season-ending injuries was similar between sports.

 

[concise]

Is this really a foul play? We hit like that all the time coming up

 

[RhodyRum]

Everyone's disregarding the fact that your head doesn't even need to make contact with a damn thing to get a concussion.

You can't eliminate concussions until you figure out a way to eliminate the whiplash. Then you'll get shattered spines en masse because where's all that absorbed energy gonna disperse to?

It's simple biophysics and kinesiology. One more thing, nature designed animals who's bodies are meant for head on collisions. And they all have similar shapes and adaptations down to the skeletal frame.

Humans ain't one of them.

Wanna run into each other face to face (and not even talking literally)? Then you better accept the concussions that come with betraying nature's design. It's either that or eliminate the sport altogether because concussions are a necessary evil that's here to stay.

And no adjustment in speed or equipment is stopping that.