Naw.. Shawty Lo definitely had about half of Atlanta on his side during that beef
How many rappers careers ended over a beef
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This is false. People who were really in the streets and felt like T.I. wasn't really about that life didn't Shawty Lo to expose him. That's how you can really tell who was really there because people in the know already knew about Lo's cars in the "I'm Serious" video and all. None of this mattered in that beef though.
I still remember when "What's Up, What's Happenin" premiered. The DJ running that song back repeatedly. Nobody cared about whether T.I. was false claiming. That album was anticipated and huge even with him coming off of a dud and the Paper Trail album having "No Matter What" and "Whatever You Like" drop first. "Ready For Whatever" and "What's Up What's Happenin" heightened the buzz.
Shawty Lo's music career was never the same. He went from being someone who had the streets on fire with THREE anthems to crickets. Ya'll in here talking about, "but the hood loved him". I'm sure the hood loved him before he had songs on the radio, but we're talking about music careers not street cred.
zayk35
Superstar
He was never gonna be successful he just wasn't. He was hot in New York that's it
Tommy Gibbs
Superstar
I agree with you on everything except chino trying to sound like eminem. Em was trying to sound like Chino Xl!!
Definitely NOT. First of all there is a ton of debate over who won the battle between him and LL. I personally believe a lot of people are confused by the immense difference in their success career wise. Canibus never even got to where LL was in 1985.
Second, this battle was GREAT for Canibus. Other than a few hot freestyles and a guest appearance, he was a NOBODY. All of a sudden one of the icons of the culture was paying attention to him. You can’t beat that type of publicity.
What killed Canibus career? Uhhhh, did you hear his first album???
Man y'all cant keep saying "well in atlanta he was still hot"
This is arguably the ONLY answer. I'm a
cat and I was there. It was BRUTAL. And the pitiful reason he gave for not responding to Bridge Is Over made it even worse. Marley Marl told him not to respond because it would just bring KRS-1 more attention 
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
Definitely NOT. First of all there is a ton of debate over who won the battle between him and LL. I personally believe a lot of people are confused by the immense difference in their success career wise. Canibus never even got to where LL was in 1985.
Second, this battle was GREAT for Canibus. Other than a few hot freestyles and a guest appearance, he was a NOBODY. All of a sudden one of the icons of the culture was paying attention to him. You can’t beat that type of publicity.
What killed Canibus career? Uhhhh, did you hear his first album???
Canibus said himself that the battle hurt his career.
He said he would've done things differently in '98 if he were older and that he focused too much on his ego and making a statement and that all led him to keep making poor decisions to support his drive to focus on LL. And nah, he was in a much better spot BEFORE the battle. Every label was gunning for him. He had million dollar deals on the table. TV show offers, etc. After the battle, he was mocked and clowned all the time.
The only people saying he won that battle are weirdos online and cacs who wanted to claim they were "real" Hip Hop heads. Even Wyclef said LL won the battle and he produced the damn track for Canibus! Mike Tyson sided with LL too, and he was in Bis's video for the diss!! LOL!! They wouldn't even let Canibus in the Tunnel anymore because he was seen as a joke. You can have a wack album and rebound. He dropped another one a couple years later. Still on a major label. Nobody bought it! Because dude embarrassed himself in that battle with LL. You can't be out for less than a couple of months and dissing a Hip Hop legend. He had nothing to say about LL. So he was never even in a position to challenge Cool J.
A year later, LL went on to sell his biggest numbers ever, and Canibus was trying to drop albums that collected dust. He lost badly and his career did too.
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
He sounded like Em on that wack second album. The whole approach to it sounded like some bootleg Slim Shady sh*t.
People always say Em tried to sound like Chino, but my first time hearing dude was before Chino's first joint dropped. Infinite came out the same year Chino's first sh*t did. But there were a lot of people in the underground running with that style back then. On Chino's second album, he didn't sound like he did on his first one, to me. That sh*t sounded like he was doing a Marshall impersonation for 20+ songs.
Tommy Gibbs
Superstar
no. On Infinite, he sounded lik AZ, after that, Eminem switched his whole style. Started using multi sylabbles and dissing celebrities in punclines. Chino was doing that BEFORE eminem.He sounded like Em on that wack second album. The whole approach to it sounded like some bootleg Slim Shady sh*t.
People always say Em tried to sound like Chino, but my first time hearing dude was before Chino's first joint dropped. Infinite came out the same year Chino's first sh*t did. But there were a lot of people in the underground running with that style back then. On Chino's second album, he didn't sound like he did on his first one, to me. That sh*t sounded like he was doing a Marshall impersonation for 20+ songs.
On that album, he was trying to mimic AZ. He even admits it. Eminem on Infinite did NOT use the style he used on SSLP. Peep the 2 different songs below 3 years apart. Two totally different styles
I disagree with Canibus, he had a disappointing debut album. Ja was audience fatigue and New York was big hit but Feds had done damage.
I have a wild take. Even though Kool Moe Dee won the battle on wax, beefing with LL probably finished him.
I have a wild take. Even though Kool Moe Dee won the battle on wax, beefing with LL probably finished him.
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
His voice has the same tone as AZ. He was 22 or some sh*t then.
But the flows and cadence are the same, as always. That came from him being with Outsidaz.
This is the weird sh*t about online. People say things and then they spread. Chino was not some pioneer for any of those traits in '96. We played his records back then, and we liked that he had a couple of cool joints. But the style Em was running with, was EVERYWHERE on the east coast in the underground. You show up to any Lyricist Lounge show back then, and 1/2 of the people were rhyming like that.
Who would we see there? Em. And the people he ran with, Outsidaz. That's how they rhymed. So back in the 90's, Em was pulling from that set. He was inspired by Zee and Pacewon. And always says so too. You can hear that in his flow for years, all day. Not Chino. People were dissing celebrities years before Chino existed. Everyone in the underground did that. But other dudes were actually good at it! Chino wasn't seen as some lyrical leader in '96. The one record he had that people loved was the "Riiiot" joint with Ras Kass. And even on that, he was trying too hard with the reaches, with sh*t like "I'm leaving the crowds happy like OJ Simpson when he got his first white p*ssy". Dude was corny as sh*t. LOL!!
I think you are using your opinion and exaggerating the amount of people who thought LL won. I know its a trend to label people that don't agree with your opinion as "weirdos, cacs, and people that don't know hip hop". Even in this thread, a bunch of people are saying theres great debate over who won that. What do you mean you can't be out for a couple months and diss a legend? DUDE, do you not remember LL came at him first??? And his reasoning for doing so was BULLSH!T. So in your head, you think he was just supposed to sit back and take it? Stop it.
LL's biggest selling album is Bigger and Deffer, GOAT is not even in the Top 3 what TF are you talking about
To have that amount of hype going into your first album and drop a DUD like that, no that is very hard to recover from. Point out a rapper that had crazy hype like that, dropped a weedplate for his first album, and recovered to have a successful career.
It did work