How mainstream do you see the Atheist movement becoming in the next 20-25 years?

[Fervid]

Pre-theism?
The Abrahamic faiths span covers the origins of man. So what pre-theistic times are you talking about, friend? Do you have anything to back up what you claim?

Science can explain the way things are but that doesn't disprove God. All science explains is God's work. Every scientific discovery should draw man closer to God. Man discovers a new galaxy? Fine. Wonderful. But let's not ignore who created it, friend.

For you to say my stance is "ignore everything but religion" means you seriously lack understanding, or reading comprehension skills, or flat out intelligence. My stance is study and observe EVERYTHING and then you will see the magnificence of God. Don't try to pass your own blind and ignorant ways off on me. It is you who is doing the ignoring, friend. As vast and complex as the universe is and you take it all for one big accident? An accident caused by nothing? And you're the one using logic?

This is a prime example of why HL is such an oxymoron and joke. How can it be Higher Learning when most of it's posters haven't done any learning? I'm going to assume your parents were Christians. Christianity has a long history of battling science so in your mind you think religion and science are at war because you equate religion to the only one you know. As I said, this is an assumption, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Islam is different. Islam doesn't have a history of battling science, in fact, to the contrary it has a history of evolving science. Are you aware of the contributions from the Islamic world to science, medicine and mathematics? We already touched on astronomy earlier in the thread. Advancements in human anatomy, surgery, algebra...

Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen), a Muslim, is called the father of the scientific method that atheists swear by.
He was simply following the orders of Allah... study the universe and find an inconsistency. When you find it perfect, give praise to The One who created it. And it is a marvelous creation, as science has proved.

I heard this atheist once speak of the vastness of the universe and then concluded we are here randomly. The vastness of the universe should show you how blessed you are. Alhamdulillah.

Yet you deny your own soul and classify yourself as an animal, which Allah says he put here for the service of man. Why would anyone want to reduce their life to worthlessness? Allah says He created you special, Shaitan vowed to make you debase yourself. Why is it you have no sense of dignity?

Allah has never spoken to me. If he ever does I'll be on board with you.

We are part of the universe; the part that can observe itself. I don't think that's worthless.

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

The bible warned in the last days, we are seeing a rise in demonic individuals who practice pagan rituals an indulge in unrighteous filth. I say bring it on,
Let the true followers of the most high stand up and not cower anymore, let filth and sodimites and vagabonds spread their unholy ways, and be smitten down.

pagan rituals? who the fukk has ever seen anyone practice a pagan ritual? ohhh wait I mean besides Christmas...

Many popular customs associated with Christmas developed independently of the commemoration of Jesus' birth, with certain elements having origins in pre-Christian festivals that were celebrated around the winter solstice by pagan populations who were later converted to Christianity. These elements, including the Yule log from Yule and gift giving from Saturnalia,[65] became syncretized into Christmas over the centuries. The prevailing atmosphere of Christmas has also continually evolved since the holiday's inception, ranging from a sometimes raucous, drunken, carnival-like state in the Middle Ages,[96] to a tamer family-oriented and children-centered theme introduced in a 19th-century reformation.[97][98] Additionally, the celebration of Christmas was banned on more than one occasion within Protestant Christendom due to concerns that it was too pagan or unbiblical.[99][100]

it's so, it's so, what's that term??? demonic friends

 

[Dirty Mcdrawz]

Pre-theism?
Many faiths cover the origins of man. So what pre-theistic times are you talking about, friend? Do you have anything to back up what you claim?

Fixed

 

[MouseTeeth]

Pre-theism?
The Abrahamic faiths span covers the origins of man. So what pre-theistic times are you talking about, friend? Do you have anything to back up what you claim?

Science can explain the way things are but that doesn't disprove God. All science explains is God's work. Every scientific discovery should draw man closer to God. Man discovers a new galaxy? Fine. Wonderful. But let's not ignore who created it, friend.

For you to say my stance is "ignore everything but religion" means you seriously lack understanding, or reading comprehension skills, or flat out intelligence. My stance is study and observe EVERYTHING and then you will see the magnificence of God. Don't try to pass your own blind and ignorant ways off on me. It is you who is doing the ignoring, friend. As vast and complex as the universe is and you take it all for one big accident? An accident caused by nothing? And you're the one using logic?

This is a prime example of why HL is such an oxymoron and joke. How can it be Higher Learning when most of it's posters haven't done any learning? I'm going to assume your parents were Christians. Christianity has a long history of battling science so in your mind you think religion and science are at war because you equate religion to the only one you know. As I said, this is an assumption, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Islam is different. Islam doesn't have a history of battling science, in fact, to the contrary it has a history of evolving science. Are you aware of the contributions from the Islamic world to science, medicine and mathematics? We already touched on astronomy earlier in the thread. Advancements in human anatomy, surgery, algebra...

Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen), a Muslim, is called the father of the scientific method that atheists swear by.
He was simply following the orders of Allah... study the universe and find an inconsistency. When you find it perfect, give praise to The One who created it. And it is a marvelous creation, as science has proved.

I heard this atheist once speak of the vastness of the universe and then concluded we are here randomly. The vastness of the universe should show you how blessed you are. Alhamdulillah.

Yet you deny your own soul and classify yourself as an animal, which Allah says he put here for the service of man. Why would anyone want to reduce their life to worthlessness? Allah says He created you special, Shaitan vowed to make you debase yourself. Why is it you have no sense of dignity?

You have some points. One question , if god created everything in the universe, who created God? And then who created the God who created God??? And then who created God that created God that created God? And then, fukk it....

 

[SCORCH]

Interesting listen on BBC world service if you fellas are interested:

Atheists In Black America

In the United States, religion - in particular Christianity - is a driving force behind African-American culture.

Under slavery and segregation, the black church provided both spiritual and social services to African-Americans.

Today, many African-Americans see anything short of embracing religion as not just heretical but a denial of one's very blackness.

But there are a growing number of African-Americans who openly don't believe in God or the church.

We find out how they are trying to make their voices heard and seeking acceptance in their community.

BBC - BBC World Service Programmes - Your World, Real America, Atheists In Black America

 

[wize fool]

You have some points. One question , if god created everything in the universe, who created God? And then who created the God who created God??? And then who created God that created God that created God? And then, fukk it....

Good question. Now if you can understand the answer then you can understand God but it may go over your head. Here goes... God isn't a part of this creation. He wasn't created, thus making your question invalid. He is The Creator. The Originator. The Opener. The Highest. The Greatest. The All Powerful. The Supreme One. The Owner of All. The Self-Existing One. The Everlasting One.

Your question is satisfied by the definition of God. He wasn't created, He is The Creator. Now when you can unshackle the chains placed on your mind and take your thinking to a higher level you will understand that there is nothing in this world comparable. To ask who/what created God simply means you don't understand the concept of God to begin with. The All Powerful. Transcendent. Your mind is placing restrictions on your ability to understand such a great concept. Greater than anything you've ever comprehended in life.

You think science is deep? All science does is try to explain the work of God so imagine how much deeper we're talking. The scientific method was developed by a Muslim who was trying to better understand Allah's creation. After all your science experiments and after all your knowledge is gained there is still a lingering question. How? What makes such and such possible? Muslims have an answer to that: Allah. Atheists have nothing but the face.

 

[MouseTeeth]

Good question. Now if you can understand the answer then you can understand God but it may go over your head. Here goes... God isn't a part of this creation. He wasn't created, thus making your question invalid. He is The Creator. The Originator. The Opener. The Highest. The Greatest. The All Powerful. The Supreme One. The Owner of All. The Self-Existing One. The Everlasting One.

Your question is satisfied by the definition of God. He wasn't created, He is The Creator. Now when you can unshackle the chains placed on your mind and take your thinking to a higher level you will understand that there is nothing in this world comparable. To ask who/what created God simply means you don't understand the concept of God to begin with. The All Powerful. Transcendent. Your mind is placing restrictions on your ability to understand such a great concept. Greater than anything you've ever comprehended in life.

You think science is deep? All science does is try to explain the work of God so imagine how much deeper we're talking. The scientific method was developed by a Muslim who was trying to better understand Allah's creation. After all your science experiments and after all your knowledge is gained there is still a lingering question. How? What makes such and such possible? Muslims have an answer to that: Allah. Atheists have nothing but the face.

agree to disagree ....it's not that I'm totally against the idea of god, I'm more against organized religion. I just feel like nobody can know for certain if a god exists or not so its pointless to argue. Same goes for a lot of scientific theories.

 

[Type Username Here]

Good question. Now if you can understand the answer then you can understand God but it may go over your head. Here goes... God isn't a part of this creation. He wasn't created, thus making your question invalid. He is The Creator. The Originator. The Opener. The Highest. The Greatest. The All Powerful. The Supreme One. The Owner of All. The Self-Existing One. The Everlasting One.

Your question is satisfied by the definition of God. He wasn't created, He is The Creator. Now when you can unshackle the chains placed on your mind and take your thinking to a higher level you will understand that there is nothing in this world comparable. To ask who/what created God simply means you don't understand the concept of God to begin with. The All Powerful. Transcendent. Your mind is placing restrictions on your ability to understand such a great concept. Greater than anything you've ever comprehended in life.

You think science is deep? All science does is try to explain the work of God so imagine how much deeper we're talking. The scientific method was developed by a Muslim who was trying to better understand Allah's creation. After all your science experiments and after all your knowledge is gained there is still a lingering question. How? What makes such and such possible? Muslims have an answer to that: Allah. Atheists have nothing but the face.

Deists, Pantheists, Pagans and others also have that same answer, without trying to sell you into any garbage.

We already over this: yes, there is something greater, whatever it is. So what makes you think any man, prophet, Imam, book, human language, human concept can understand something beyond our reasoning?

Pantheism is the only logical decision if you believe in a higher power.

 

[Will Ross]

Why do you guys act like the tag person even goes to Chruch like that. You clowns really need to get over your childhood

 

[Turenne]

God isn't a part of this creation. He wasn't created, thus making your question invalid. He is The Creator. The Originator. The Opener. The Highest. The Greatest. The All Powerful. The Supreme One. The Owner of All. The Self-Existing One. The Everlasting One.

Your question is satisfied by the definition of God. He wasn't created, He is The Creator. Now when you can unshackle the chains placed on your mind and take your thinking to a higher level you will understand that there is nothing in this world comparable. To ask who/what created God simply means you don't understand the concept of God to begin with. The All Powerful. Transcendent. Your mind is placing restrictions on your ability to understand such a great concept. Greater than anything you've ever comprehended in life.

at this fakkit repeating the same unprovable thing over and over and over again because he doesn't have an coherent argument or any proof to back up his rambling.

Just keep repeating 'he is the creator' again and again with different words dude, I'm sure the retards here will believe you eventually.

 

[Turenne]

He was simply following the orders of Allah... study the universe and find an inconsistency. When you find it perfect, give praise to The One who created it.

This world is nothing but flaws and imperfections - human beings break, become diseased and die, the world is finite, easily polluted and destroyed, the majority of the human societies are dictated by poverty and misery - this is a deeply flawed and imperfect world.

So, how do you suggest a perfect creator created a deeply flawed and imperfect world...? How does imperfection arise from perfection...?

 

[wize fool]

at this fakkit repeating the same unprovable thing over and over and over again because he doesn't have an coherent argument or any proof to back up his rambling.

Just keep repeating 'he is the creator' again and again with different words dude, I'm sure the retards here will believe you eventually.

This world is nothing but flaws and imperfections - human beings break, become diseased and die, the world is finite, easily polluted and destroyed, the majority of the human societies are dictated by poverty and misery - this is a deeply flawed and imperfect world.

So, how do you suggest a perfect creator created a deeply flawed and imperfect world...? How does imperfection arise from perfection...?

Normally I don't respond to pure ignorance like this. You represent yourself very poorly by your choice of words. It shows you lack substance and rely on childish insults like "fakkit" as filler words to fatten up your otherwise meager post.

But anyways, how can you deny the harmony of the universe? 9 (or 8) planets revolving around the sun in our solar system and they have never crashed into each other, never flew off course, or randomly became annihilated. Look at your own body. Your organs are constantly working together in a harmonious waltz that has kept you alive for years, never interfering with one another.

As far as the "repetition", those are all of Allah's 99 names or attributes. They are a part of the definition of God. All you are highlighting is your own lack of understanding, nothing more. Why people love to post about things they are utterly clueless about will always baffle me. I suggest you educate yourself before you come at me, friend. And save the insults for a weaker minded individual. It's only a sign of defeat in my eyes.

 

[wize fool]

Deists, Pantheists, Pagans and others also have that same answer, without trying to sell you into any garbage.

We already over this: yes, there is something greater, whatever it is. So what makes you think any man, prophet, Imam, book, human language, human concept can understand something beyond our reasoning?

Pantheism is the only logical decision if you believe in a higher power.

What is this garbage being sold? Can you elaborate? Furthermore can you back it up with a source?

You're admitting there is a greater power. That's a start. For me, the answer is Allah. You certainly haven't provided a better answer. So just mathematically speaking I have a better chance of being correct than you.

When you're ready to provide me with a more logical alternative, I'm all ears, and we can discuss it from there. But I'm not willing to trade my knowledge for your ignorance. That wouldn't be very wise.

 

[Type Username Here]

What is this garbage being sold? Can you elaborate? Furthermore can you back it up with a source?

You're admitting there is a greater power. That's a start. For me, the answer is Allah. You certainly haven't provided a better answer. So just mathematically speaking I have a better chance of being correct than you.

When you're ready to provide me with a more logical alternative, I'm all ears, and we can discuss it from there. But I'm not willing to trade my knowledge for your ignorance. That wouldn't be very wise.

Theist garbage.

As if a higher power would concern itself with revealing itself to one insignificant small ape, and on one tiny planet in a vast universe out of a possible infinite recursive existence.

This magical creator always seems to reveal himself to only one man in only one region of the world. Instead of revealing itself to a multitude of people all over the world, and it's always the same desert dwellers.

What a marvelous coincidence.

The pantheist way is the only logical approach to deism. It has no holy book or mortality, and it lives and breathes with the subjective interpretations of man and our scientific discoveries.

 

[wize fool]

Theist garbage.

As if a higher power would concern itself with revealing itself to one insignificant small ape, and on one tiny planet in a vast universe out of a possible infinite recursive existence.

This magical creator always seems to reveal himself to only one man in only one region of the world. Instead of revealing itself to a multitude of people all over the world, and it's always the same desert dwellers.

What a marvelous coincidence.

The pantheist way is the only logical approach to deism. It has no holy book or mortality, and I've and breathes with the subjective interpretations of man and our scientific discoveries.

More self esteem issues I see. I am not an ape, nor am I insignificant. Please don't try to pass your lack of self worth off on me.

Allah is concerned with ALL of the creation. Not a leaf falls to the ground without His knowledge. Not a cell is divided without His permission. He is The All-Aware and The All-Knowing. That covers Earth and every other planet whether we know of it or not. Again, you're showing just more lack of understanding in regards to God.

You think Allah being all aware of Earth's happenings prevents Him from being all aware of Saturn as well? Free your mind, friend. It is you who allows these mental chains to restrict your full understanding. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to be obtuse.