Bird is on the same level as Kobe/Shaq/Duncan, y'all kill me trynna push Larry up there with Magic.
How is kobe not top 5 alltime when there arent 5 players with a better resume?
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6× NBA champion (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
6× NBA Finals MVP (19911993, 19961998)
5× NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 19911992, 1996, 1998)
14× NBA All-Star (19851993, 19961998, 20022003)
10× NBA scoring champion (19871993, 19961998)
3× NBA steals champion (1988, 1990, 1993)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
10× All-NBA First Team (19871993, 19961998)
All-NBA Second Team (1985)
9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (19881993, 19961998)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)
3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
2× NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (19871988)
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
Against a 198586 Boston Celtics team that is often considered one of the greatest in NBA history,[22] Jordan set the still-unbroken record for points in a playoff game with 63 in Game 2.
Jordan had recovered completely by the 198687 season, and had one of the most prolific scoring seasons in NBA history. He became the only player other than Wilt Chamberlain to score 3,000 points in a season, averaging a league high 37.1 points on 48.2% shooting.[12] In addition, Jordan demonstrated his defensive prowess, as he became the first player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season.
Jordan led the league in scoring again in the 198788 season, averaging 35.0 ppg on 53.5% shooting[12] and won his first league MVP award. He was also named the Defensive Player of the Year, as he had averaged 1.6 blocks and a league high 3.16 steals per game.
In the 198889 season, Jordan again led the league in scoring, averaging 32.5 ppg on 53.8% shooting from the field, along with 8 rpg and 8 assists per game
In his first Finals appearance, Jordan posted per game averages of 31.2 points on 56% shooting from the field, 11.4 assists, 6.6 rebounds, 2.8 steals and 1.4 blocks.[32] Jordan won his first NBA Finals MVP award
In the first game, Jordan scored a Finals-record 35 points in the first half, including a record-setting six three-point field goals.
He averaged a Finals-record 41.0 ppg during the six-game series,[38] and became the first player in NBA history to win three straight Finals MVP awards.[33] He scored more than 30 points in every game of the series, including 40 or more points in 4 consecutive games. With his third Finals triumph, Jordan capped off a seven-year run where he attained seven scoring titles and three championships
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Some highlights
Scored 10+ points in all but one of 1,109 regular season and playoff games as a Bull (8 points on March 22, 1986 vs. the Cavs)
Scored 20+ points in 1,099 games (926 regular season, 173 postseason)
Scored 30+ points in 671 games (562 regular season, 109 postseason)
Scored 40+ points in 211 games (173 regular season, 38 postseason)
Scored 50+ points in 39 games (31 regular season, 8 postseason)
Scored 60+ points in 5 games (4 regular season, 1 postseason)
Recorded 31 triple-doubles (28 regular season, 2 postseason, 1 All-Star Game)
Recorded 240 double-doubles (201 regular season, 39 postseason)
11-time regular season leader, total points (1985, '87-'93, '96-'98)
10-time regular season leader, scoring average ('86-'93, '95-'98)
3-time regular season leader, steals ('88, '90, '93)
NBA records
Seasons leading the league in scoring: 10 (198687-199293, 199596-199798)
Consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring: 7 (198687-199293)
Seasons leading the league in total points: 11 (198485, 198687-199293, 199596-199798)
Highest scoring average, points per game, career: 30.12 (32,292/1,072)
Seasons averaging 30 or more points per game: 8 (198687-199293, 199596)
Games scoring 30 or more points, career: 561
Playoffs
Scoring
Points, career: 5,987
Highest scoring average, points per game, career: 33.4 (5,987/179)
Games scoring 50 or more points, career: 8
Consecutive games scoring 50 or more points: 2, vs. Cleveland Cavaliers,April 28, 1988 toMay 1, 1988
Jordan is the only player in NBA history to record back-to-back 50 point games in the playoffs, scoring 50 and 55 in Games 1 and 2 against the Cavs.
He also scored 49 points on April 17, 1986 and 63 on April 20, 1986 in back-to-back games against the Boston Celtics.
NBA Finals
Scoring
Highest scoring average, points per game, any championship series: 41.0 (246/6), vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals
Points, 6-game series: 246, vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals (41.0 ppg)
Consecutive games scoring 40 or more points: 4, vs. Phoenix Suns,June 11, 1993 to June 18, 1993
Consecutive games scoring 20 or more points: 35, June 2, 1991 to June 14, 1998
Jordan's entire Finals career
Scoring 30 or more points in all games, any championship series: 6 games, vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals
Other Records
Regular season
All-Defensive First Team selections: 9
Blocked shots by a guard, career: 893
Blocked shots by a guard, season: 131 (198788)
Only rookie in NBA history to lead his team in four statistics (198485)
Second rookie in NBA history to average 20+ points, 5+ rebounds, and 5+ assists (198485)
One of two players in NBA history to score 3,000 points in a season: 3,041 points scored in 82 games played (37.1 ppg) (198687)
First player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocked shots in a season: 236 steals, 125 blocks (198687)
Only player in NBA history with more than one season of 200 steals and 100 blocked shots: 259 steals, 131 blocks (198788)
Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (198788)
First player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year and Most Valuable Player during his career
First player in NBA history to lead the league both in scoring and steals in the same season (198788, 198990, 199293)
Finals
Most Valuable Player awards: 6 (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
Scoring 20 or more points in all games, career: 35 games
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Mic-Nificent
I didn't eat nobody
It's not that Jordan wasn't shyt without Pippen, but he damn sure wasn't winning anything until Pippen stepped up. Jordan himself has said Scottie was a vital part of his career (which is why he fought so hard to keep him on the team when the Bulls were trying to trade him during their second championship run).
The point is Jordan doesn't need to be propped up, his resume speaks for itself, so the downright disrespect some people toss at Scottie is uncalled for. Scottie was one of the BEST players in the league in his own right.
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AKA Vancouver Baller
A lot posters are trolling and making fools of themselves by saying "Kobe is not top 5". It's common knowledge just like walking outside and knowing the sky is blue that, Kobe is top 5 maybe even top 3. He's the GOAT in my eyes.
Mic-Nificent
I didn't eat nobody
I'm not even sure if Bird considers himself to be better than Kobe or Shaq.
OG_StankBrefs
Da Spice...
MVPs are only "joke awards" when ya player aint winnin em. 
And if dey do win em then they are resume worthy all of a sudden.
Coli nikkas.
And if dey do win em then they are resume worthy all of a sudden.
Coli nikkas.
yup agreed
Mic-Nificent
I didn't eat nobody
MVPs are only "joke awards" when ya player aint winnin em.
And if dey do win em then they are resume worthy all of a sudden.
Coli nikkas.
It's not a joke award, but you gotta admit that Kobe and Shaq have two combined is suspect as fukk. And keep in mind they weren't winning these awards while at the same time the main criticisms of the teams they played on was they lacked depth while the guys who were winning those awards played on team that were praised for their depth.
And Pau gets shytted on continuously, you'd think he was Slava Medvedenko the way people talked about him.
I've heard people talk about Shaq holding Kobe back, that he was bad for his career
That Kobe carried the team in the playoffs and Shaq would just go off in the finals against the scrub centers of the east.People would shyt on
like he was fukking Tim Floyd
Mic-Nificent
I didn't eat nobody
When a player disappears in the playoffs they're gonna fave heavy criticism. The cretinism of Pau goes too far sometimes. Plus it's not just Kobe/Lakers fans doing the double speak on Pau. When the Lakers are going through the playoffs all some people want to talk about his how soft Pau is and how he aint shyt, but if the Lakers win it all suddenly those same people want to give Pau the majority of the credit.
Pau is probably one of the most under appreciated players in the league and it's not just by Lakers fans.
I've heard people talk about Shaq holding Kobe back, that he was bad for his career
In terms of how he was being viewed as a individual player Shaq was holding Kobe back. Shaq was publicly taking shots at Kobe while they were playing together and a lot of people were saying Kobe would be an average 2 guard in the league without Shaq.
In terms of team success no way in hell was Shaq holding anybody back at any point...well except maybe the Suns...
People would shyt on
like he was fukking Tim Floyd
Anybody hating on Phil Jackson is just stupid....though most "hate" his illogical from the jump, but at the same time there's a distinction between "hating" and legit criticism.
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What years should Shaq & Kobe have won MVP's that they didn't?
Shaq's strongest case is the '05 season, but Miami went to the 2nd round the year previously without him. The Suns went from 20 something wins in 04 to the best record in the league that year. While there were other factors involved in that turnaround (signing Q-Rich, Amare being healthy), all you had to do was see how badly Phoenix struggled to crack 90 points when Nash was hurt to see how much he meant to their success.
As for Kobe, the argument is there for 05-06. But like others have said, the argument is just as strong that Chris Paul should have gotten the one from 2008.
That's what I'm trying to figure out.
You got nikkaz putting shaq over Kobe, but when you look at their overall resumes and more importantly their bodies of work without each other Kobe bodies him
You got nikkaz putting shaq over Kobe, but when you look at their overall resumes and more importantly their bodies of work without each other Kobe bodies him
That's what I'm trying to figure out.
You got nikkaz putting shaq over Kobe, but when you look at their overall resumes and more importantly their bodies of work without each other Kobe bodies him
Not to mention shaq til this day tries his hardest to get back into the good graces of da gawd
Shaq-" Kobe is the greatest Laker ever, we are still friends. I love kobe, i respect him so much"
Gawd-
Doenst even acknowledge that bum
