How is kobe not top 5 alltime when there arent 5 players with a better resume?

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you must be talking strictly about Hakeem.

and I already consceded that Shaq had a better overall career, but I'd still take Hakeem in his prime over Shaq in his prime.

Shaq's resume doesn't even begin to stack up against Kareem's, (but few players can). Kareem was the dominant force in the league for over a decade and he dominated on BOTH ends of the court.

When people talk about Shaq's dominance it's almost entirely based on what he did offensively. He wasn't bad defensively by any stretch but he was never close to dominant either...Every other center I've mentioned was dominant on BOTH ends of the court, that's why I'd take them in their primes over Shaq.

why u bringing up Kareem? I already said

MJ
Wilt
Kareem
Magic
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why u bringing up Kareem? I already said

MJ
Wilt
Kareem
Magic
Bird

Because my point was that like Kareem and Wilt, Hakeem in his prime was a dominant player on both ends of the court, Shaq has never been a dominant defensive player, which is why I'd take Shaq over Hakeem in their primes.

Shaq had the better career but at their absolute best Hakeem was the better all around player.

Even Shaq doesn't rank himself ahead of Hakeem.
 

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Because my point was that like Kareem and Wilt, Hakeem in his prime was a dominant player on both ends of the court, Shaq has never been a dominant defensive player, which is why I'd take Shaq over Hakeem in their primes.

Shaq had the better career but at their absolute best Hakeem was the better all around player.

Even Shaq doesn't rank himself ahead of Hakeem.

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How many DPOY awards has Shaq won? dude has never even been in consideration for the award.

How many times has he been named to the all defensive first team? 18 years in the league and only 3 defensive team selections (all 2nd team).

Hell how many times has Shaq led the league in rebounds or blocks?
 

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How many DPOY awards has Shaq won? dude has never even been in consideration for the award.

How many times has he been named to the all defensive first team? 18 years in the league and only 3 defensive team selections (all 2nd team).

Hell how many times has Shaq led the league in rebounds or blocks?

Did you miss the part that i underlined.
 

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How can you be a top 5 player with only 1 Most Valuable Player Award? Something isnt adding up. Thats the most powerful part of a players individual resume.

Kareem 6X
Russell 5X
Jordan 5X
Wilt 4X
Magic 3X
Bird 3X
Lebron 3X
Duncan 2X
Malone 2X

I thought it was common knowledge that MVPs were a joke? Jordan should damn near have 10 one of them, Nash has 2 :what: and Rose has as many as Shaq and Kobe :deadrose:
 

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How many DPOY awards has Shaq won? dude has never even been in consideration for the award.

How many times has he been named to the all defensive first team? 18 years in the league and only 3 defensive team selections (all 2nd team).

Hell how many times has Shaq led the league in rebounds or blocks?

He's pointing out the fact that you argued all that shyt and then slipped up and said Shaq>Hakeem.
 

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3 most overrated players on this site

Kobe Bryant - To denigrate MJ
Scottie Pippen - To denigrate MJ
Hakeem Olajuwon - To denigrate Shaq

Notice an agenda here?

People love to prop up Jordan without mentioning how he didn't win shyt before pippen and rodman joined him.

Yet people love to mention kobe being a sidekick or kobe having gasol to denigrate kobe.

Notice a pattern here?
 

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People love to prop up Jordan without mentioning how he didn't win shyt before pippen and rodman joined him.

Yet people love to mention kobe being a sidekick or kobe having gasol to denigrate kobe.

Notice a pattern here?

Pippen yeah, but he won 3 championships w/o Rodman
 

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This thread is pathetic btw, it's like your trying to convince yourself.
 

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You're dumb af, but ok

MJ resume:

SP career minutes: 41069
MJ career minutes: 41013
(almost identical)

SP career assists: 6135
MJ career assists: 5633

SP career rebounds: 7494
MJ career rebounds: 6672

SP career blocks: 947
MJ career blocks: 893

Never had a winning record without pippen and pippen carried the bulls to a 50 win record without jordan. Jordan plays without pippen again on the wizards and struggles to win over 15 games. :laff:


Teams win Championships and Jordan never got a chance to play with the Bulls, sans Pippen after they were title winners. Stop misleading fukboy.

:russ:


Jordan was dropping 50 on the championship Pistons, while Pippen was still getting migraines and Horace was wearing contacts.
 
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