How is kobe not top 5 alltime when there arent 5 players with a better resume?

[Mic-Nificent]

Can't there just be an all purpose Kobe thread like there was on the other site? No damn need to be a new Kobe thread every few days when they're all basically the same group of people saying the same shyt over and over again.

Plus if someone doesn't think Kobe is top 5 all time nothing said is going to change their mind at this point. Next season Kobe could win league MVP, scoring title, DPOY, and Finals MVP and dudes would still be complaining about shot attempts and him needing help to win titles.

 

[Yungin]

* 5× NBA Champion (2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010)
* 2× NBA Finals MVP (2009–2010)
* NBA Most Valuable Player (2008)
* 14× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2012)
* 2× NBA scoring champion (2006–2007)
* 10× All-NBA First Team (2002–2004, 2006–2012)
* 2× All-NBA Second Team (2000–2001)
* 2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005)
* 9× All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003–2004, 2006–2010)
* 2× All-Defensive Second Team (2001–2002)
* NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1997)
* 4× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009,2011)
* NBA Slam Dunk Contest winner (1997)
* Naismith Prep Player of the Year (1996)
* 5th Alltime scoring leader
* 2 Gold Medals
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*10 50 point games in one season

*Out scored the Mavs who made it to the finals in 3 quarters

*In that same month, Bryant also became the first player since 1964 to score 45 points or more in four consecutive games, joining Chamberlain and Baylor as the only players ever to do so.[83] For the month of January, Bryant averaged 43.4 points per game,[84] the eighth highest single month scoring average in NBA history and highest for any player other than Chamberlain.

* Kobes averaged for 2005-2007= 33.5ppg, 5.5rpg,5apg, 1.6spg, .346 3p%, .457 fg%

* Kobes averages as a starter- 28ppg, 6rpg, 5.2apg, 1.6spg, .456 FG% at 39.3mpg


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Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; shared with Donyell Marshall)[21]
Most three-point field goals made, one half: 8 (March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards; shared with 5 players).[22]
Most consecutive three-point field goals made, one game: 9 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; shared with Latrell Sprewell and Ben Gordon).[23]
Most free throws made, one quarter: 14 (3rd quarter, December 20, 2005 vs. Dallas Mavericks; shared with 5 players).[24][25]
Most free throws attempted, one quarter: 16 (3rd quarter, December 20, 2005 vs. Dallas Mavericks; shared with 6 players).[26][27]
Holds shot-clock era records for:
Greatest percentage of own team's point total (66.4% of the Lakers' 122 points) ( set on January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors).
Greatest percentage of both teams' combined point total (35.8% of the Lakers' and Raptors' 226 points) (Also set on January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors).

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* Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years.[42]

* 633 (2008), 695 (2009), 671 (20100
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Kobes resume shytS on 99.9% of the players who ever played in the NBA and hes STILL playing at a high level, averaged 28 a game last year shyt aint close to over

Good shyt..

 

[SubZeroDegrees]

* 5× NBA Champion (2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010)
* 2× NBA Finals MVP (2009–2010)
* NBA Most Valuable Player (2008)
* 14× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2012)
* 2× NBA scoring champion (2006–2007)
* 10× All-NBA First Team (2002–2004, 2006–2012)
* 2× All-NBA Second Team (2000–2001)
* 2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005)
* 9× All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003–2004, 2006–2010)
* 2× All-Defensive Second Team (2001–2002)
* NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1997)
* 4× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009,2011)
* NBA Slam Dunk Contest winner (1997)
* Naismith Prep Player of the Year (1996)
* 5th Alltime scoring leader
* 2 Gold Medals
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*10 50 point games in one season

*Out scored the Mavs who made it to the finals in 3 quarters

*In that same month, Bryant also became the first player since 1964 to score 45 points or more in four consecutive games, joining Chamberlain and Baylor as the only players ever to do so.[83] For the month of January, Bryant averaged 43.4 points per game,[84] the eighth highest single month scoring average in NBA history and highest for any player other than Chamberlain.

* Kobes averaged for 2005-2007= 33.5ppg, 5.5rpg,5apg, 1.6spg, .346 3p%, .457 fg%

* Kobes averages as a starter- 28ppg, 6rpg, 5.2apg, 1.6spg, .456 FG% at 39.3mpg


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Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; shared with Donyell Marshall)[21]
Most three-point field goals made, one half: 8 (March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards; shared with 5 players).[22]
Most consecutive three-point field goals made, one game: 9 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; shared with Latrell Sprewell and Ben Gordon).[23]
Most free throws made, one quarter: 14 (3rd quarter, December 20, 2005 vs. Dallas Mavericks; shared with 5 players).[24][25]
Most free throws attempted, one quarter: 16 (3rd quarter, December 20, 2005 vs. Dallas Mavericks; shared with 6 players).[26][27]
Holds shot-clock era records for:
Greatest percentage of own team's point total (66.4% of the Lakers' 122 points) ( set on January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors).
Greatest percentage of both teams' combined point total (35.8% of the Lakers' and Raptors' 226 points) (Also set on January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors).

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* Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years.[42]

* 633 (2008), 695 (2009), 671 (20100
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Kobes resume shytS on 99.9% of the players who ever played in the NBA and hes STILL playing at a high level, averaged 28 a game last year shyt aint close to over

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Nash MVPS = 2
Kobe and Shaq combined...MVPS = 2

awards a joke

I'm not gonna say the award is a joke, but the fact that the two best players of a particular era only have 2 MVP awards combined is suspect as fukk.

I still remember hearing a$$holes disqualify Shaq for MVP consideration because "he could win it ever year".

Kobe was being disqualified because his teammates sucked. Without Kobe those Lakers team would have been lottery teams but he was dragging them into the playoffs in a loaded Western conference terrorizing the league on both ends of the court. Then when they finally gave Kobe an MVP award it was during a season when Chris Paul should have won it.

 

[holidayinn21]

he shouldnt

 

[Real Talk of NY]

post your list nikka of stfu

I'd take Shaq over Hakeem. Hakeem is the most overrated player on this board. Dude was great but NOT top 5.

 

[King Jove]

by this logic, hakeem shouldn't be on anyone's top-5 list.

he is'nt

 

[Mic-Nificent]

post your list nikka of stfu

I'd take Shaq over Hakeem. Hakeem is the most overrated player on this board. Dude was great but NOT top 5.

In their primes i'd take Hakeem....

Shaq was unstoppable during his prime.......Offensively. But as an all around player Kareem, Wilt, and Hakeem were better.

 

[Real Talk of NY]

3 most overrated players on this site

Kobe Bryant - To denigrate MJ
Scottie Pippen - To denigrate MJ
Hakeem Olajuwon - To denigrate Shaq

Notice an agenda here?

 

[Jesus]

MVP awards are a joke. Media just gives it to whoever they want. point blank. Lebron should've won Rose's but of course the whole back lash from the decision. Dwight could've won Rose's too.

Shaq, most dominant player ever, only has 1 MVP award to his name.

Kobe will be recognized as a top 5 player of all time when it's all said and done. Only people i would put ahead of him are MJ, KAJ, Magic and Wilt.

And CP3 should have won the year Kobe got it.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

3 most overrated players on this site

Kobe Bryant - To denigrate MJ
Scottie Pippen - To denigrate MJ
Hakeem Olajuwon - To denigrate Shaq

Notice an agenda here?

If anything Pippen tends to get underrated. He's rarely brought up to denigrate MJ, it always has more to do with people shytting on Scottie to make MJ seem that much greater.

 

[Real Talk of NY]

In their primes i'd take Hakeem....

Shaq was unstoppable during his prime.......Offensively. But as an all around player Kareem, Wilt, and Hakeem were better.

Shaqs prime, was longer more dominant and resulted in more success.

 

[jwinfield]

You're dumb af, but ok

MJ resume:

SP career minutes: 41069
MJ career minutes: 41013
(almost identical)

SP career assists: 6135
MJ career assists: 5633

SP career rebounds: 7494
MJ career rebounds: 6672

SP career blocks: 947
MJ career blocks: 893

6× NBA champion (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
6× NBA Finals MVP (1991–1993, 1996–1998)
5× NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991–1992, 1996, 1998)
14× NBA All-Star (1985–1993, 1996–1998, 2002–2003)
10× NBA scoring champion (1987–1993, 1996–1998)
3× NBA steals champion (1988, 1990, 1993)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
10× All-NBA First Team (1987–1993, 1996–1998)
All-NBA Second Team (1985)
9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1988–1993, 1996–1998)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)
3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
2× NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (1987–1988)
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team

Against a 1985–86 Boston Celtics team that is often considered one of the greatest in NBA history,[22] Jordan set the still-unbroken record for points in a playoff game with 63 in Game 2.

Jordan had recovered completely by the 1986–87 season, and had one of the most prolific scoring seasons in NBA history. He became the only player other than Wilt Chamberlain to score 3,000 points in a season, averaging a league high 37.1 points on 48.2% shooting.[12] In addition, Jordan demonstrated his defensive prowess, as he became the first player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season.

Jordan led the league in scoring again in the 1987–88 season, averaging 35.0 ppg on 53.5% shooting[12] and won his first league MVP award. He was also named the Defensive Player of the Year, as he had averaged 1.6 blocks and a league high 3.16 steals per game.

In the 1988–89 season, Jordan again led the league in scoring, averaging 32.5 ppg on 53.8% shooting from the field, along with 8 rpg and 8 assists per game

In his first Finals appearance, Jordan posted per game averages of 31.2 points on 56% shooting from the field, 11.4 assists, 6.6 rebounds, 2.8 steals and 1.4 blocks.[32] Jordan won his first NBA Finals MVP award

In the first game, Jordan scored a Finals-record 35 points in the first half, including a record-setting six three-point field goals.

He averaged a Finals-record 41.0 ppg during the six-game series,[38] and became the first player in NBA history to win three straight Finals MVP awards.[33] He scored more than 30 points in every game of the series, including 40 or more points in 4 consecutive games. With his third Finals triumph, Jordan capped off a seven-year run where he attained seven scoring titles and three championships

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List of career achievements by Michael Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some highlights

Scored 10+ points in all but one of 1,109 regular season and playoff games as a Bull (8 points on March 22, 1986 vs. the Cavs)
Scored 20+ points in 1,099 games (926 regular season, 173 postseason)
Scored 30+ points in 671 games (562 regular season, 109 postseason)
Scored 40+ points in 211 games (173 regular season, 38 postseason)
Scored 50+ points in 39 games (31 regular season, 8 postseason)
Scored 60+ points in 5 games (4 regular season, 1 postseason)
Recorded 31 triple-doubles (28 regular season, 2 postseason, 1 All-Star Game)
Recorded 240 double-doubles (201 regular season, 39 postseason)
11-time regular season leader, total points (1985, '87-'93, '96-'98)
10-time regular season leader, scoring average ('86-'93, '95-'98)
3-time regular season leader, steals ('88, '90, '93)

NBA records
Seasons leading the league in scoring: 10 (1986–87-1992–93, 1995–96-1997–98)
Consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring: 7 (1986–87-1992–93)
Seasons leading the league in total points: 11 (1984–85, 1986–87-1992–93, 1995–96-1997–98)
Highest scoring average, points per game, career: 30.12 (32,292/1,072)
Seasons averaging 30 or more points per game: 8 (1986–87-1992–93, 1995–96)
Games scoring 30 or more points, career: 561

Playoffs
Scoring
Points, career: 5,987
Highest scoring average, points per game, career: 33.4 (5,987/179)
Games scoring 50 or more points, career: 8
Consecutive games scoring 50 or more points: 2, vs. Cleveland Cavaliers,April 28, 1988 toMay 1, 1988
Jordan is the only player in NBA history to record back-to-back 50 point games in the playoffs, scoring 50 and 55 in Games 1 and 2 against the Cavs.
He also scored 49 points on April 17, 1986 and 63 on April 20, 1986 in back-to-back games against the Boston Celtics.

NBA Finals
Scoring
Highest scoring average, points per game, any championship series: 41.0 (246/6), vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals
Points, 6-game series: 246, vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals (41.0 ppg)

Consecutive games scoring 40 or more points: 4, vs. Phoenix Suns,June 11, 1993 to June 18, 1993
Consecutive games scoring 20 or more points: 35, June 2, 1991 to June 14, 1998
Jordan's entire Finals career
Scoring 30 or more points in all games, any championship series: 6 games, vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals

Other Records

Regular season
All-Defensive First Team selections: 9
Blocked shots by a guard, career: 893
Blocked shots by a guard, season: 131 (1987–88)

Only rookie in NBA history to lead his team in four statistics (1984–85)
Second rookie in NBA history to average 20+ points, 5+ rebounds, and 5+ assists (1984–85)
One of two players in NBA history to score 3,000 points in a season: 3,041 points scored in 82 games played (37.1 ppg) (1986–87)
First player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocked shots in a season: 236 steals, 125 blocks (1986–87)
Only player in NBA history with more than one season of 200 steals and 100 blocked shots: 259 steals, 131 blocks (1987–88)
Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (1987–88)
First player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year and Most Valuable Player during his career
First player in NBA history to lead the league both in scoring and steals in the same season (1987–88, 1989–90, 1992–93)

Finals
Most Valuable Player awards: 6 (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
Scoring 20 or more points in all games, career: 35 games

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Shaqs prime, was longer more dominant and resulted in more success.

you must be talking strictly about Hakeem.

and I already consceded that Shaq had a better overall career, but I'd still take Hakeem in his prime over Shaq in his prime.

Shaq's resume doesn't even begin to stack up against Kareem's, (but few players can). Kareem was the dominant force in the league for over a decade and he dominated on BOTH ends of the court.

When people talk about Shaq's dominance it's almost entirely based on what he did offensively. He wasn't bad defensively by any stretch but he was never close to dominant either...Every other center I've mentioned was dominant on BOTH ends of the court, that's why I'd take them in their primes over Shaq.

 

[BrothaZay]