How great was W E. B dubois

[HellRell804]

I gotta say Washington because we're still marching, still "fighting for our rights" and still being taken advantage of by our "leaders"

It's being spun like Booker T. Was saying we need to work hard to be acceptable to whites and I don't see it like that, his plan is basically our version of how koreans in the 80s, Indians in the 90s, and arabs after them came to the country, put their heads down. Took jobs that weren't so glamorous, used that money to buy small low quality stores, worked them themselves with crazy hours, networked with their kind to buy in bulk to get cheaper prices and, ultimately send their kids to college with an understanding of business, money, and the world.

So now the dude who used to sell you loose Phillies in 94 and you used to laugh at and mess up his store, 20 years later has a doctor for a daughter, and an engineer for a son. And they have that degree with little to no debt.

It's all about sacrifice and that's what we lack. If black people are to prosper, it's going to have to take a lot of self sacrifice, then your kids do better, then by the time your grandchildren come along you've comfortably elevated your place on the hierarchy.

We want what we want now, damn the kids. And that's why "intellectuals" have always been popular with blacks. they'll tell us what the government owes us and we need to get it. it sounds good and gets you all fired up and the only thing it costs is your time. then the next thing you know 50 or 60 years have passed and you've made incremental progress at best.

Meanwhile the other voice is telling you work hard, save money, and invest in the future and that doesn't sound anywhere near as sexy.

 

[AlainLocke]

this is such freezing cold take you should be ashamed of yourself. Booker was right we could locked down the trade industry if we would have taken his approach.

No...


The man clearly said...Not to politically resist White people but work for them and their businesses and you'll have a great life....

Which is why racist Southern whites funded his schools and shyt to create educated Black workers for Southern White Capitalists


Which is why Booker T. Washington lost favor with Black people...

What everybody else is doing...especially Hoteps...

Are going back and rewriting got damn history and thinking Booker T. Washington was trying to make Black people rich and shyt and Dubois came and fukked it all up...

Booker T. Washington was a charlatan that gained considerable political and economic power by being a half white middle man between Racist Southern Whites and poor Black folk and he proceeded to sell Black people into bondage until he was stopped...

And thank god he was.

 

[AlainLocke]

I gotta say Washington because we're still marching, still "fighting for our rights" and still being taken advantage of by our "leaders"

It's being spun like Booker T. Was saying we need to work hard to be acceptable to whites and I don't see it like that, his plan is basically our version of how koreans in the 80s, Indians in the 90s, and arabs after them came to the country, put their heads down. Took jobs that weren't so glamorous, used that money to buy small low quality stores, worked them themselves with crazy hours, networked with their kind to buy in bulk to get cheaper prices and, ultimately send their kids to college with an understanding of business, money, and the world.

No it wasn't....

Black folks were being lynched left and right and virtually unprotected by the law....

And Racist Whites came to Booker T. Washington and was like...

"We'll stop killingn you negroes if you would just follow the law and obey us. Your children can be educated and come work for us..."

Mind you White folks still had slaves. Snatching Black folks off the streets. Making Black folks sharecroppers and putting them in debt so they couldn't leave or just threatening them.

So now everybody else that was free and being lynched and raped and snatched out of their homes...

Booker T. Washington was willing to send them back into slavery too...

That was a his plan...this wasn't some do for yourself shyt...

This was do what they White man tells you so you won't die...

Do what I tell you so I won't come and rape your wife...

People need to stop going back and romanticising bullshyt...

Booker T. Washington was bullshyt...he had no plan besides what White folks told him.

 

[Gold]

This is your best thread in a long time OP

 

[HellRell804]

No it wasn't....

Black folks were being lynched left and right and virtually unprotected by the law....

And Racist Whites came to Booker T. Washington and was like...

"We'll stop killingn you negroes if you would just follow the law and obey us. Your children can be educated and come work for us..."

Mind you White folks still had slaves. Snatching Black folks off the streets. Making Black folks sharecroppers and putting them in debt so they couldn't leave or just threatening them.

So now everybody else that was free and being lynched and raped and snatched out of their homes...

Booker T. Washington was willing to send them back into slavery too...

That was a his plan...this wasn't some do for yourself shyt...

This was do what they White man tells you so you won't die...

Do what I tell you so I won't come and rape your wife...

People need to stop going back and romanticising bullshyt...

Booker T. Washington was bullshyt...he had no plan besides what White folks told him.

Dog you didn't provide one source for those claims. Why on god's earth would racist whites want black people to master trades and agriculture and use that knowledge to trade amongst each other.

Man, just imagine going to a soul food restaurant and all the food came from the farms black people gave up to move up north and get "good jobs". And they have a grocery store next to the restaurant same deal. Seafood spot with fish straight from coastal southern cities and so on.

Wouldn't it make more sense for racist whites for us to do what we're doing now, which is relying on the same racist government that codified slavery and Jim crow into law, to feed us, educate our children, and provide us with jobs? Basically make people totally dependent on a government that, historically, has not had our best interests at heart.

 

[Blackout]

Him going against Garvey it as a bad move.

White racists strike hardest when there is internal beef amongst our people and that did hold him back.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

People really sitting up here and defending fukking Booker T. Washington's compromise...
If any Black so called leader today...
Were to tell you..."Yall need to not fight against the White man, but acquiese and find your place in society amongst them..."
Yall would call that man a c00n...
But now...it's...."We need both..."
Nah fukk outta here....
Booker T. Washington was being funded by Southern Whites and Southern Whites basically wanted slavery with extra steps and Booker T. Washington was willing to give it to them...
And it wasn't for Dubois...we would be sitting around today in some Jim Crow shyt where we can't go no where and or do nothing without checking in with White folks...
So nah....
fukk that...
Politics is about playing favorites....
The Atlanta Compromise was castrophic for Black people and if any Black person today would say some shyt like that...yall would be killing him King fukking c00n.

On June 19th, 2017, the Michigan Black Chamber of Commerce, Inc., the nation’s largest African American chamber in the country, acquired and merged the National Business League (NBL), Inc., an organization founded by Booker T. Washington in 1900. Immediately following the acquisition and merger of the 117-year-old organization, the newly formed NBL Board of Directors relocated the headquarters from Washington, D.C., where they had been since 1966, to Detroit, Michigan, a city with more than 47,000 Black-owned businesses and the home of General Motors, FIAT Chrysler, Ford Motor Company and Toyota, just to name a few, with regional offices now in Atlanta, GA, Washington, D.C. and Los Angeles, CA. The NBL now comprises 365 leagues (chapters) across the country, creating a national platform with access to 2.5 million Black businesses in the United States.

The NBL is a not-for-profit, nonpartisan and nonsectarian commerce-driven enterprise dedicated to the economic empowerment of Black businesses, communities and people. The NBL engages and advocates on behalf of Black-owned firms throughout the country and the Pan-African Diaspora. The NBL carries out its mission, purpose and motto through its 7 Pyramids of Prosperity: 1) Advocacy, 2) Capacity Building and Technical Assistance, 3) Connecting Access, 4) Practicing Cooperative Economics, 5) Resource Deployment, 6) Supplier Certification and Development and 7) Talent Placement and Acquisition. The NBL was founded on August 23, 1900, as the nation’s first and oldest business organization, 12 years before the US Chamber of Commerce. At the NBL’s height, there were over 600 chapters in 34 states. The NBL is focused on the expansion of the Black business sector for the growth and stability of the national economy, as well as the community’s socioeconomic conditions. The NBL national network includes leagues (chapters), a vibrant network of National Student Business Leagues (SBLs) started in 1974 and a national coalition of 30 associations and organizational affiliates that are organized as NBL’s National Council for Policy Review (NCPR). Since its inception, the NBL has developed a great number of business and trade associations, coalitions and institutions that support the development of the Black community, as well as operate as a vital part of the nation’s economy.

National Business League

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

No it wasn't....

Black folks were being lynched left and right and virtually unprotected by the law....

And Racist Whites came to Booker T. Washington and was like...

"We'll stop killingn you negroes if you would just follow the law and obey us. Your children can be educated and come work for us..."

Mind you White folks still had slaves. Snatching Black folks off the streets. Making Black folks sharecroppers and putting them in debt so they couldn't leave or just threatening them.

So now everybody else that was free and being lynched and raped and snatched out of their homes...

Booker T. Washington was willing to send them back into slavery too...

That was a his plan...this wasn't some do for yourself shyt...

This was do what they White man tells you so you won't die...

Do what I tell you so I won't come and rape your wife...

People need to stop going back and romanticising bullshyt...

Booker T. Washington was bullshyt...he had no plan besides what White folks told him.

“At the bottom of education, at the bottom of politics, even at the bottom of religion, there must be for our race economic independence.”
- Dr. Booker Taliaferro Washington

 

[MJ Truth]

Had a feeling you were going to ask.. lol. Planning to respond when I get in the house. I’m driving in traffic at the moment ..

Texting and driving?

 

[Cel 510 kid ados forever]

Booker t need his own thread.

He was great as well

 

[AlainLocke]

@Bittasweet

Booker T. Washington Delivers the 1895 Atlanta Compromise Speech


To those of the white race who look to the incoming of those of foreign birth and strange tongue and habits for the prosperity of the South, were I permitted I would repeat what I say to my own race,“Cast down your bucket where you are.” Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides. Cast down your bucket among these people who have, without strikes and labour wars, tilled your fields, cleared your forests, builded your railroads and cities, and brought forth treasures from the bowels of the earth, and helped make possible this magnificent representation of the progress of the South. Casting down your bucket among my people, helping and encouraging them as you are doing on these grounds, and to education of head, hand, and heart, you will find that they will buy your surplus land, make blossom the waste places in your fields, and run your factories. While doing this, you can be sure in the future, as in the past, that you and your families will be surrounded by the most patient, faithful, law-abiding, and unresentful people that the world has seen. As we have proved our loyalty to you in the past, in nursing your children, watching by the sick-bed of your mothers and fathers, and often following them with tear-dimmed eyes to their graves, so in the future, in our humble way, we shall stand by you with a devotion that no foreigner can approach, ready to lay down our lives, if need be, in defense of yours, interlacing our industrial, commercial, civil, and religious life with yours in a way that shall make the interests of both races one. In all things that are purely social we can be as separate as the fingers, yet one as the hand in all things essential to mutual progress.

- Booker T. Washington....


Like I said...stop it.....

 

[HellRell804]

@Bittasweet

Booker T. Washington Delivers the 1895 Atlanta Compromise Speech


To those of the white race who look to the incoming of those of foreign birth and strange tongue and habits for the prosperity of the South, were I permitted I would repeat what I say to my own race,“Cast down your bucket where you are.” Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides. Cast down your bucket among these people who have, without strikes and labour wars, tilled your fields, cleared your forests, builded your railroads and cities, and brought forth treasures from the bowels of the earth, and helped make possible this magnificent representation of the progress of the South. Casting down your bucket among my people, helping and encouraging them as you are doing on these grounds, and to education of head, hand, and heart, you will find that they will buy your surplus land, make blossom the waste places in your fields, and run your factories. While doing this, you can be sure in the future, as in the past, that you and your families will be surrounded by the most patient, faithful, law-abiding, and unresentful people that the world has seen. As we have proved our loyalty to you in the past, in nursing your children, watching by the sick-bed of your mothers and fathers, and often following them with tear-dimmed eyes to their graves, so in the future, in our humble way, we shall stand by you with a devotion that no foreigner can approach, ready to lay down our lives, if need be, in defense of yours, interlacing our industrial, commercial, civil, and religious life with yours in a way that shall make the interests of both races one. In all things that are purely social we can be as separate as the fingers, yet one as the hand in all things essential to mutual progress.

- Booker T. Washington....


Like I said...stop it.....

To me, that sounds like "Leave us alone, let us do our thing and we wont tear this bytch up." Which is what like every black man actually wants.

Why would I want people who gave my people syphilis under the guise of medical care, sterilization under the guise of family services, and so many other atrocities to give me reparations. Imported crack and guns to the hood then made a fortune on prisons. I'm good on all that "help"

Just leave us alone

 

[AlainLocke]

Dog you didn't provide one source for those claims. Why on god's earth would racist whites want black people to master trades and agriculture and use that knowledge to trade amongst each other.

Man, just imagine going to a soul food restaurant and all the food came from the farms black people gave up to move up north and get "good jobs". And they have a grocery store next to the restaurant same deal. Seafood spot with fish straight from coastal southern cities and so on.

Wouldn't it make more sense for racist whites for us to do what we're doing now, which is relying on the same racist government that codified slavery and Jim crow into law, to feed us, educate our children, and provide us with jobs? Basically make people totally dependent on a government that, historically, has not had our best interests at heart.

What do you think a trade is...

It's a freaky job....

Where do people seriously get this idea that before integration...Black people were the South being totally self-efficient...?

This is revisionist history...

Black people were on farms owned by White people...

Black people were at the mercy of White people...still living with White people...still taking care of White people...

Black people who went up north...were trying to escape that...

The reason why White people...wanted Black people to learn trades is to continue to work their farms, and fix their machinery and shyt...

Booker T. Washington was best friends with some of the biggest Southern Industrialists...

Who funded his projects...and since he was half White and he played up being half-White...they thought he was a capable and trustworthy negro....

So Black people like WEB Dubois who wanted things like rights and equality

Booker T. Washington said...fukk that...we just wanna be educated and have jobs and we'll do what you'll say...we will cause no trouble. We will work your machines and your farms and who is better to do that than us. Your humble servants since you got here.

 

[AlainLocke]

To me, that sounds like "Leave us alone, let us do our thing and we wont tear this bytch up." Which is what like every black man actually wants.

Why would I want people who gave my people syphilis under the guise of medical care, sterilization under the guise of family services, and so many other atrocities to give me reparations. Imported crack and guns to the hood then made a fortune on prisons. I'm good on all that "help"

Just leave us alone

Why would White people leave Black people alone when the subjugation of Black people gave them so much....

Why are there still people that think they can avoid White people...like you might as well go to Africa or some shyt.


Booker T. Washington wasn't a separatist...he was an integrationist that was willing to keep things as it as long as rich White people gave Black people jobs and money to fund education.

So after you finish doing your job for the White man...you'll go back on your side of town that is underdeveloped and shyt. You'll follow your White man mandated curfew...he better not catch your ass outside or you'll get lynched. And then you wake up to do it all over again.

That was the lifestyle that Booker T. Washington was willing to give to his followers so White people would be play nice.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

Why would White people leave Black people alone when the subjugation of Black people gave them so much....

Why are there still people that think they can avoid White people...like you might as well go to Africa or some shyt.


Booker T. Washington wasn't a separatist...he was an integrationist that was willing to keep things as it as long as rich White people gave Black people jobs and money to fund education.

So after you finish doing your job for the White man...you'll go back on your side of town that is underdeveloped and shyt. You'll follow your White man mandated curfew...he better not catch your ass outside or you'll get lynched. And then you wake up to do it all over again.

That was the lifestyle that Booker T. Washington was willing to give to his followers so White people would be play nice.

Yelling "do for self", holding your head up high waiting for that pat on the head

nikkas love using Asians as an example of prosperity, without the historical context of their position, like they aren't elitists as fukk towards their own and each other.

and then a chunk of em still end up living with whites, and not another Kwan/Patel in sight