Dwight Howard
Superstar
Cause we were there in real time, nobody actually said or thought this and were taken seriously. The revisionist history not gonna change shytDuncan >>> Kobe
How are you low IQ nikkas even arguing this still
How good was prime Tim Duncan? At his peak was he the best player of the 2000s?
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Dwight Howard
Superstar
And how many times did kobe send the spurs home? Let's revisit this
Or this year's later
Kobe been on duncan head since the jump
What an argument, Kobe wasn't even the best player on the Lakers some of those years.
So you automatically ignore any season where Kobe's squad was so bad it couldn't even get to a matchup with the Spurs (2005, 2006, 2007), but you count seasons where Duncan was carrying a far inferior team (2001, 2002, 2004) or dealing with major injuries (2008).
By your logic, Bill Russell and Sam Jones were both better players than Wilt Chamberlain in the 1960s, Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars were both better players than Jordan in the 1980s, and Steph Curry and Klay Thompson were better players than Bron in the 2010s.
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Dwight Howard
Superstar
Kobe sonned duncan head-to-head any way you spin it. In 2001 he was the best player on the court. 2008, best player on the court. 4-1. End of the story.What an argument, Kobe wasn't even the best player on the Lakers some of those years.
So you automatically ignore any season where Kobe's squad was so bad it couldn't even get to a matchup with the Spurs (2005, 2006, 2007), but you count seasons where Duncan was carrying a far inferior team (2001, 2002, 2004) or dealing with major injuries (2008).
By your logic, Bill Russel and Sam Jones were both better players than Wilt Chamberlain in the 1960s, Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars were both better players than Jordan in the 1980s, and Steph Curry and Klay Thompson were better players than Bron in the 2010s.
lol at you only being able to name 2 out of 6 matchups where Kobe was the best on the court, and you were wrong on one of them.
Duncan was the best player on the court in 1999, 2002, and 2003, it was Shaq by a nose over Duncan in 2001 and 2004, Kobe only has 2008 after Duncan had aged out and declined due to injuries.
Kobe wasn't the best player on the court in 2001, it's just that Duncan was the complete focus of the Lakers' defense, and Shaq was getting matched by both Duncan and Robinson, while Kobe spent the entire series facing one-on-one coverage by fukking Antonio Daniels (and not even hardly bothering to play defense on him at the other end).
Popovich has openly said that he didn't have the talent to beat the Lakers straight up, so his gameplan was to try to shut down Shaq and let Kobe volume shoot on single coverage, just crossing his fingers and hoping he'd shoot them out of the game. It didn't work in 2001 (Duncan's supporting cast was absolute trash after both Sean Elliott and Derek Anderson got hurt with D-Rob, Avery, and Porter all 35+ and in serious decline), but it worked to a charm in 2003 when the Spurs had no business beating the Lakers and yet took them out handily due to Kobe's poor shooting.
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Being a part of the best franchise doesn't mean you were the best player of the decade.
Kobe owned him in almost all their playoff matchups.
Kobe owned him in almost all their playoff matchups.
Controversy
Superstar
He missed the playoffs bc the Lakers had a shyt roster and he missed 14 games that season
Only getting Odom, Brian Grant & Ca'ron Butler for Shaq was a damn travesty...also traded the Glove & Mailman retired...the Lakers rebuilt from scratch & won two titles/three finals appearances within a span of 6 yrs
The 05 starting lineup was Chucky Atkins, Chris Mihm, Butler & Odom
Kobe took Duncan soul too many times to not be the best player of the decade
Nash owned Kobe in 2 out of 3 playoff matchups.
Dirk owned Kobe in their playoff matchup.
Stockton owned Kobe in both playoff matchups.
Prince owned Kobe in their playoff matchup.
If you're just taking wins and losses without context as one player "owning" another, it's a slippery slope.
get these nets
Veteran
Yeah dudes are harping on one point, and continue ducking that 1st team all NBA Shaq was on those Lakers teams in the playoff matchups.
By doing so, completely forgetting what drove Kobe to work like crazy to get those post-Shaq rings. Stepping out of his shadow.
Grown men running with" Kobe owned Duncan in playoff matchup in the 2000s".
Controversy
Superstar
Shaq always underperformed vs SA...Kobe was always the Lakers best player in those series
Kobe beat the Spurs in 5 without Shaq
Kobe killed the Spurs, not Shaq
What an argument, Kobe wasn't even the best player on the Lakers some of those years.
So you automatically ignore any season where Kobe's squad was so bad it couldn't even get to a matchup with the Spurs (2005, 2006, 2007), but you count seasons where Duncan was carrying a far inferior team (2001, 2002, 2004) or dealing with major injuries (2008).
By your logic, Bill Russell and Sam Jones were both better players than Wilt Chamberlain in the 1960s, Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars were both better players than Jordan in the 1980s, and Steph Curry and Klay Thompson were better players than Bron in the 2010s.
KOBE WAS ALWAYS THE BEST PLAYER AGAINST THE SPURS
TRY AGAIN
Superteam argument doesn't hold weight when Duncan has rings where he was arguably not even his team's second (or maybe even third) best player.
He won a ring averaging 15/10 on 60 TS% in the finals while Bron has a finals loss averaging 33/12/10 on 63 TS%. You're telling me he was more integral to winning a championship that season than Bron was in most of his 6 finals losses?
malbaker86
Gators
Lol really bruh. Duncan was damn near 40 at that point. That's impressive for a big man in a league that was transitioning to more up tempo style of play