How far did Black Panther move up the list of All-Time Superhero Rankings?

[2 Up 2 Down]

All you have is Bloomberg reports and the inability to separate iconic from popular. You still can't tell me how she's popular, but had no real merch traffic since the movie. How does static get a full blown solo cartoon before wonder woman does if she's so popular

Howard the Duck and Blade got a movie before Spider-Man and X-Men. Doesn't mean that they were more popular just that there was someone that pushed for it to happen.

 

[parallax]

Howard the Duck and Blade got a movie before Spider-Man and X-Men. Doesn't mean that they were more popular just that there was someone that pushed for it to happen.

The issue is from her tv show to her recent movie she hasn't had any sort of media presence. It would be like saying Howard the duck was popular because he appeared in guardians, with that being his only media outlet since his movie in the 80s. How popular are you if no-one is willing to profit off of you?

 

[Luke Cage]

The issue is from her tv show to her recent movie she hasn't had any sort of media presence. It would be like saying Howard the duck was popular because he appeared in guardians, with that being his only media outlet since his movie in the 80s. How popular are you if no-one is willing to profit off of you?

There have been multiple attempts to make more shows about Wonder Woman over years. And this recent movie wasn’t even the first live action one technically. Plus she’s appeared in countless animated projects.

 

[parallax]

There have been multiple attempts to make more shows about Wonder Woman over years. And this recent movie wasn’t even the first live action one technically. Plus she’s appeared in countless animated projects.

But they didn't. Hell she didn't even get shorts during the dc nation runs when atom and amethyst did. And I mentioned her
appearances in group projects. But nothing solo, or at least where she's the lead. (With all of the females in dc, you would think it's a slam dunk )

 

[NYChase718]

It's really hard to say. If we're talking all-time, Supes is still #1 by default. He's still THE penultimate hero, the #1 good guy.
Then you have Bats
Spidey
WW
Hulk.

People know these character's history. They're entrenched in pop culture. Hulk is synonymous with rage, WW is any powerful woman and she has decades on most of the rest. So that's the Top 5.

Then perhaps Robin/dikk Grayson - doesn't matter if Grayson hasn't been Robin in decades - people see Robin and it's Grayson.
Aquaman
Cap
Iron Man

Great post

And logical


People that dont even follow comics or marvel just seen BP and put it as number 1 just because

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

But they didn't. Hell she didn't even get shorts during the dc nation runs when atom and amethyst did. And I mentioned her
appearances in group projects. But nothing solo, or at least where she's the lead. (With all of the females in dc, you would think it's a slam dunk )

There was a TV show with the chick from Agents of Shield but it got canned. They gave her prominent roles in the Justice League cartoon. Also they have been trying to get a Wonder Woman movie made for a long time.

 

[Alpha Male]

It will take years to really tell. Wolverine and Spider-Man weren't super popular until the 80s and 90s. Iron Man wasn't an A-lister until his movies came out. I do think this movie will put BP in the A-lister category though. T'Challa, Wakanda and Killmonger are already household names.

None of those things are ‘household names’. The movie has only been out for a few weeks.

It being a household name would imply that every household in America is familiar with it regardless if they have seen the movie or not.

McDonalds is a household name even to someone who’s never eaten there. Everyone knows the Big Mac, everyone knows chicken McNuggets. These are what you call household names. Walmart = household name. New York Yankees = household name.

You don’t need to see a single movie or read a single comic to know who Superman is. You are indoctrined to know who he is by the time you are 3 or 4 years old. He transcends the world of comic book heroes. It’s hard to even go a single day without hearing or seeing some reference to superman or the S shield logo... probly see it on a bumper sticker or something.

Black panther is only now taking his first babysteps into mainstream consciousness. Superman, Batman, Spiderman, etc... have already been through this 60-70 years ago and have been permanent mainstays. With prominent appearances in just about every form of media you can name.

I don’t care how many people saw BP... no one knows who the fukk KILLMONGER is. More people know who ALFRED THE BUTLER is.

You need to give it A LOT more time.

 

[GodinDaFlesh]

None of those things are ‘household names’. The movie has only been out for a few weeks.

It being a household name would imply that every household in America is familiar with it regardless if they have seen the movie or not.

McDonalds is a household name even to someone who’s never eaten there. Everyone knows the Big Mac, everyone knows chicken McNuggets. These are what you call household names. Walmart = household name. New York Yankees = household name.

You don’t need to see a single movie or read a single comic to know who Superman is. You are indoctrined to know who he is by the time you are 3 or 4 years old. He transcends the world of comic book heroes. It’s hard to even go a single day without hearing or seeing some reference to superman or the S shield logo... probly see it on a bumper sticker or something.

Black panther is only now taking his first babysteps into mainstream consciousness. Superman, Batman, Spiderman, etc... have already been through this 60-70 years ago and have been permanent mainstays. With prominent appearances in just about every form of media you can name.

I don’t care how many people saw BP... no one knows who the fukk KILLMONGER is. More people know who ALFRED THE BUTLER is.

You need to give it A LOT more time.

Wrong, Wakanda is in the zeitgeist of culture now in just a couple weeks. Sure some old fukks may not know it, but the average informed person knows Black Panther.

 

[Alpha Male]

Wrong, Wakanda is in the zeitgeist of culture now in just a couple weeks. Sure some old fukks may not know it, but the average informed person knows Black Panther.

Maybe your culture, not actual culture.

There is a huge world out there beyond forums and geek twitterverse.

The movie is still in theaters and still fresh on everyone’s mind. It’s not even been a month. Just cause you saw someone make a wakanda reference on TV it don’t mean you will still be seeing them 20 years from now.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I think some of y’all are forgetting that we kinda live in a “what have you done for me lately” society and world.

So @parallax isnt wrong with a lot of things he saying.

Yes you can be iconic but you can’t be dormet for like... literally decades and still be considered a current top whatever.

As iconic as say a Madonna or Cher is.... that’s like saying they are as hot or poppin as Day Beyoncé, Taylor Swift or etc (top female artist) is now when hell there are generations of people that weren’t even alive when the former were in they primed getting pushed.

Recognizeability don’t equate translate to being “current top dogs”

Martha

 

[AnonymityX1000]

None of those things are ‘household names’. The movie has only been out for a few weeks.

It being a household name would imply that every household in America is familiar with it regardless if they have seen the movie or not.

McDonalds is a household name even to someone who’s never eaten there. Everyone knows the Big Mac, everyone knows chicken McNuggets. These are what you call household names. Walmart = household name. New York Yankees = household name.

You don’t need to see a single movie or read a single comic to know who Superman is. You are indoctrined to know who he is by the time you are 3 or 4 years old. He transcends the world of comic book heroes. It’s hard to even go a single day without hearing or seeing some reference to superman or the S shield logo... probly see it on a bumper sticker or something.

Black panther is only now taking his first babysteps into mainstream consciousness. Superman, Batman, Spiderman, etc... have already been through this 60-70 years ago and have been permanent mainstays. With prominent appearances in just about every form of media you can name.

I don’t care how many people saw BP... no one knows who the fukk KILLMONGER is. More people know who ALFRED THE BUTLER is.

You need to give it A LOT more time.

While everyone knows who Superman is he has far less people than he used to calling him their favorite hero.
Batman and Spiderman definitely took that mantle from him and it is now a wide margin. Plus they are just as well known.

 

[Luke Cage]

But they didn't. Hell she didn't even get shorts during the dc nation runs when atom and amethyst did. And I mentioned her
appearances in group projects. But nothing solo, or at least where she's the lead. (With all of the females in dc, you would think it's a slam dunk )

There have a couple solo projects. it's just that none of them have been all that successful.
A cheap tv movie in 70's Wonder Woman (TV Movie 1974) - IMDb
An animated movie Wonder Woman (Video 2009) - IMDb

Plus the 70s tv series was kinda popular actually

 

[BXKingPin82]

watched that Professor Marston and the Wonder Women flik

Kingpin fun fact: The creator of Wonder Woman invented the lie detector


AND he had two wives...

AT THE SAME TIME!!!

 

[AnonymityX1000]

watched that Professor Marston and the Wonder Women flik

Kingpin fun fact: The creator of Wonder Woman invented the lie detector


AND he had two wives...

AT THE SAME TIME!!!

That's a pimp move.

 

[Luke Cage]

watched that Professor Marston and the Wonder Women flik

Kingpin fun fact: The creator of Wonder Woman invented the lie detector


AND he had two wives...

AT THE SAME TIME!!!

I heard that it was the inspiration for the Lasso of Truth or vice versa.