How do we help or deal with all the disgruntled young men in the country?

[Consigliere]

FRFR - beauty in simplicity.

I have lived, 45 now and had kids and used all my struggle to become stronger. I seek as much wisdom as possible and tbh it’s a lonely road sometimes.

About 6 years ago I discovered that my happiest moment in any given day involved just walking my dog or doing the dishes.

And since then I’ve been trying to see the joy in the mundane.

 

[King Jove]

Feminism isn't the reason why so many men are watching Adin Ross streams for 8 hours, or watching Fresh&FIt podcast for hours, or playing Warzone all day.

Some of these guys are just bums that don't want to work on themselves, and blame shyt like liberals and "woke ideology" for their shortcomings.

If you want to hold on to a society based on a hyper-individualistic, rise & grind, hustle culture, swim or drown mentality then some men are simply going to get left behind.

I still want the best for them, which is why I still support having their material needs met, and maybe the stress of having to exist in a world that is so demanding for you can be minimized so that you can work on yourself and build up social skills.

 

[RaspberryFitted]

What do you think you gen needs to progress?

continue to build community amongst each other. Continue to have open in-house dialogues about topics that we are confused about. Continue to find our purpose in whatever interests we have. Continue to support each other’s positive triumphs and redirect each other’s negative detours.

keyword: Continue.. a lot of the “solutions” most older folks propose are things young men are doing anyways, it is just being ignored.

Young Men are accepting full-time job offers that allow relocation, internships, apprenticeships to their trade, engaging in physical activity whether that be the gym/outdoors/hunting/fishing, hanging out with friend groups.. they are all doing this. I see it every day.

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

Are you talking about current feminism or all feminism?

Current feminism mainly. A lot of western media has been infected with feminist ideology.

I agree it seems like the building and maintaining civilization is ignored.

Damn straight.

Then we would have to do it. I doubt it will happen on T.v. or social media.

I agree to a certain extent. It doesn't necessarily have to be the media giving absolute praise to blue-collar workers (although that would be nice), just acknowledgement that blue-collar workers a needed and deserve respect.
Lloyd in Space managed to do it. I don't see why it can't happen again?

Then there would have to be media curated by men who wanted to see this highlighted.

True. Or we can get rid of the feminist programming within the western media

 

[Still Benefited]

I dont know about all young men, but more and more this society is becoming 'Everyone but Heterosexual Black Young Men/Boys'.

This is how its supposed to be,yall just need to find the knowledge and understand your true purpose.


The universe through Babylon, tried to not so subtlely show you they dont fukk with black men. Yet and still we wanted to assimilate,and put our women and children in harms way. Raising them in the heart of white supremacy. After being nice,docile,play the game negroes. The universe upped it a notch to make the messsage clearer.


Like Natureboy said,its time to wake up,realize the European is a cancer to the world. A cancer we can stop feeding by simply walking away. And using our inherent influence to create a ripple effect. Turning our attention back to spirituality and nature

 

[RaspberryFitted]

Another thing

the same way older men look at young men in disgust is the same way young men look at older men as pitiful worthless work/husband slaves who not only added to the current conditions we are suffering in today, but continue to exacerbate and place blame on younger folks for.

 

[RickyDiBiase]

Another thing

the same way older men look at young men in disgust is the same way young men look at older men as pitiful worthless work/husband slaves who not only added to the current conditions we are suffering in today, but continue to exacerbate and place blame on younger folks for.

Lol that’s never gonna change

 

[OperationNumbNutts]

At this point I don't even know if it's lack of jobs or resources or if it's just late stage capitalism?

But we may have an issue with the disgruntled young men in the country right now. We even have some on the Coli. They're becoming pawns for guys like Andrew Tate ect. But what got us here and how do we or can reverse course?

Thoughts?

Boys don't have a space to become men. For example, boys scouts now allow girls to join.

 

[Consigliere]

I personally would like to get into wood working at some point. Also Dogs are man's best friend for a reason. I think that hunting drive they have can help you settle your own.

Cannot be overstated.

My dog paid for himself several times over between the discipline he instilled in me, the companionship he gave me and the women he introduced me to.

 

[RaspberryFitted]

Lol that’s never gonna change

with the Internet Age in full effect, it has been very apparent how far they’ve dropped the ball and want to live their 2nd childhood again.

 

[franknitty711]

About 6 years ago I discovered that my happiest moment in any given day involved just walking my dog or doing the dishes.

And since then I’ve been trying to see the joy in the mundane.

im with you brother. wish i could help more see it but i have realized it doesnt work that way. its to each owns path to hopefully unlock it.

 

[Scaaar]

Women are now more educated...younger women are rapidly closing the wealth gap

Men need to embrace this automation age we're about to enter bc that's the area men can build wealth

Men should also seek women who will support them in all the areas that they need support...men shouldn't get their emotional support online.

Definitely this. But most also need to get off these online spaces and stop feeding into what's being put out there. They're letting that pressure of what's on there knock them off their square where they feel like they're failing in life if they're not making a certain amount of money or living a certain lifestyle under 30. When most sensible people know it's a process to get that sort of life they want it right now and are willing to do anything whether it's rob, steal, or kill to make it happen. Or brehs just quit entirely on the grind which is the worst possible route since they'll still have to do it on the back end.

 

[Neuromancer]

continue to build community amongst each other. Continue to have open in-house dialogues about topics that we are confused about. Continue to find our purpose in whatever interests we have. Continue to support each other’s positive triumphs and redirect each other’s negative detours.

Sounds like you need fellowship and male spaces. I assume some of ya'll are doing this already.

Young Men are accepting full-time job offers that allow relocation, internships, apprenticeships to their trade, engaging in physical activity whether that be the gym/outdoors/hunting/fishing, hanging out with friend groups.. they are all doing this. I see it every day.

Well that's a relief cause the way young women tell it ya'll are all broke losers who play Madden all day and have porn addictions. But the again that's probably a lie to protect their own egos.

 

[RaspberryFitted]

Sounds like you need fellowship and male spaces. I assume some of ya'll are doing this already.

I already have multiple. I am a mentor at my university, was apart of MBK, and connect with my professional brehs for lunch

Most of them do.

Well that's a relief cause the way young women tell it ya'll are all broke losers who play Madden all day and have porn addictions. But the again that's probably a lie to protect their own egos.

so you listened to young women about young men instead of directly asking young men?

 

[Iverson_64]

'How do we help or deal with all the disgruntled young men in the country?'

By admitting that feminism and western women have gone too far and have become insufferable. The manosphere is the natural reaction to rot that is feminism and western women.
By treating women as adults.
By bringing back low skilled jobs and putting the rightful respect into blue collar jobs.
By telling young men that they are the builders and maintainers of civilisation.
By listening to what young men have to say instead of gaslighting them.
By getting rid of the loony left rot within the western media and academic institutions which has made them a big joke.
By promoting discussion of different and alternative economic policies, e.g. Georgism, Distributism, etc
By encouraging them to get themselves passports.
By telling the loony left and their POC shills/pets that they are partially responsible for the rot.
by building more trade/vocational/technical schools and encouraging apprenticeships.

Doesn't this lowkey victimize young men though?

I mean...look. I've tutored young men......young BLACK men.....in Math in the past. I've also helped gave some young Black men jobs via networking as well.

But, at the same time, it's not a conspiracy to admit that a lot of young men are unmotivated and just coasting through life or undergoing arrested development via remaining underemployed or undereducated for most of their 20's aka their prime years.

I'd argue fatherhood or lack of play a much bigger role than feminism or whatever. Feminism is just an easy scapegoat but a having a strong father or male mentor/guide will offset a good portion of things that you're blaming on feminism.

The only good points in here are the points about decreasing outsourcing/offshoring jobs which is a problem that affects a lot of people, not just young men.

As for the job training programs, I'm sorry but they're already abundant as it is. There's literally PLENTY of trade, apprenticeship, and internship programs if one actually looks for them.

I know plumbers, barbers, truck drivers, and auto mechanics who can vouch for the fact that there's NO shortage of training programs out there for their positions. In fact, many of those programs are practically BEGGING young men to join them and become a part of those occupations.

I mean....ffs, one of my older cousins who's an ex-convict was able to get into a program for ex-convicts that lead to him getting a job as a carpenter.

The job programs ARE out there. The trades ARE out there. The internships ARE out there. It's up to the young men themselves to take advantage of it.

No feminist or liberal is stopping a young man from applying to these programs or joining the military which also offers benefits to young men who can't afford college.

Dudes like Tate just like to latch onto conspiracies and Red Herrings to distract young men from the fact that they're often their own worst enemy and that them not being raised by strong fathers or male figures from the get go plays a much bigger role in their lives than whatever external force is supposedly holding them back.