How did a powerful black empowerment speech turn into a diss towards black men

[RAX 010]

the thing I hate the most about that is that black men that appreciate and respect black women get thrown under the bus as if we were the ones perpetuating that behavior as well.

some of them dont like us cause they hate being black and project their frustrations on us.

Its the complete system at which we all are enslaved....

 

[J-Nice]

the thing I hate the most about that is that black men that appreciate and respect black women get thrown under the bus as if we were the ones perpetuating that behavior as well.

some of them dont like us cause they hate being black and project their frustrations on us.

Let's keep it all the way 1hunnid. Alot of our people don't like being black but are afraid to admit it publicly. It's the same mindset with colorism. People in the community acknowledge it exists, but can never pinpoint the people who perpetuate it. When have you ever heard black folk admit to being colorstruck?

 

[L0Qutus]

I hear you and agree to an extent. I will even say that I am biasd and will give Mr. Willaims to benefit of the doubt because he has put in the work. The same why I will give Farrakhan or Eric Dyson or Claude Anderson or Boyce Watkins a pass.

Now in saying that I totally understand and agree that often times we as black men are used as the scape goat on all things bad. Which is an absolute issue because in the end it is divide and conquer.

Especially when you look at all the civil rights movements and how it took everyone to get it accomplished. We are a small group of folks and it takes everyone of us to fight against oppression.

Let me also add that even white groups would not be here without the effort of women. I mean look at the anti war movement. Look at occupy wall street, look at the tea party.

shyt look at world war 2 for example and how white women who almost never worked had to work in factories because of the war.

All hands on deck are always needed to fight a powerful enemy.

Last it has always been funny to me when these debates come along.....how middle class and upper class black women and men always escape with out getting called out. Same with older blacks.

Poor, young and uneducated black women and men are always at the front lines of a social movement for black people. Yet almost never reap the benefits until they are old. Often times they are assassinated, thrown in jail or forced to live in poverty all their lives because they are blackballed. Yet educated, older, professional or well to do blacks reap all the benefits of these young folks struggles.

I only know about Jessie Williams from reading LSA before finding the Coli. What I noticed was that sistahs loved him for his looks, his plain looking wife (1/2 of them clowned her looks), and his politics...in that order. He gained fame as a "light skinned pretty boy" that threw black men under the bus and sistahs LOVED IT.

But when did this division start? I think this division got into hyper-drive in the Internet era specifically with social media. I never saw this finger pointing until I was on the Black Voices website. When BV went away I found LSA and that was a cesspool of self-hate. One thing I notice with these light vs dark debates is that much of it has to do with ones perceived attractiveness. If someone did well in dating (regardless of skin tone) they didn't care about this shyt but if they are an "ugmo" they mask their insecurity in pro-blackness and colorism. I never seen an attractive woman concerned about colorism period unless she was trying to fit in with her ugly friends.

I don't trust this dude. Two months ago he was telling black heterosexual women and black gays that Black men are the problem. I'll never trust a black man that tries to lift himself by throwing other black men under the bus and sowing division b/w black men and women.

 

[Originalman]

I only know about Jessie Williams from reading LSA before finding the Coli. What I noticed was that sistahs loved him for his looks, his plain looking wife (1/2 of them clowned her looks), and his politics...in that order. He gained fame as a "light skinned pretty boy" that threw black men under the bus and sistahs LOVED IT.

But when did this division start? I think this division got into hyper-drive in the Internet era specifically with social media. I never saw this finger pointing until I was on the Black Voices website. When BV went away I found LSA and that was a cesspool of self-hate. One thing I notice with these light vs dark debates is that much of it has to do with ones perceived attractiveness. If someone did well in dating (regardless of skin tone) they didn't care about this shyt but if they are an "ugmo" they mask their insecurity in pro-blackness and colorism. I never seen an attractive woman concerned about colorism period unless she was trying to fit in with her ugly friends.

I don't trust this dude. Two months ago he was telling black heterosexual women and black gays that Black men are the problem. I'll never trust a black man that tries to lift himself by throwing other black men under the bus and sowing division b/w black men and women.

Breh I have noticed everything you have said and agree/respect your opinion.

Also lipstick alley like many of these sites are a cesspool of ignorance including TLR.

Another thing Jesse looks have a lot to do with the worship of his words by the self hate section. If he was some dude like Boyce Watkins or Roland Martin who have called out brothas and showed respect for sistas over the years. These same self haters wouldn't say shyt or say that these men are just trying to pander and get ass from sistas.

 

[Will Ross]

the thing I hate the most about that is that black men that appreciate and respect black women get thrown under the bus as if we were the ones perpetuating that behavior as well.

some of them dont like us cause they hate being black and project their frustrations on us.

It all comes down to black women not really valuing us.

 

[Standing on business]

Lets be real man. These folks full of shyt. Jesse Williams is a activist and he speaks out on issues.

But there are other activist and folks in the media that speak out on issues that sistas have and give sistas applause.

The problem these folks have is it ain't the dudes who they want to give out the props to sistas. Even this past year Chris Rock has called out Hollywood twice on how sistas are treated. But you know Chris won't get the props cause he ain't considered handsome, he cheated on his wife and he filed for a divorce from his wife. So whatever comes out his mouth defending sistas don't count. Even though he got a black daughter, momma and female relatives.

Let's look at Roland Martin who goes to bat for sistas all the time. From bringing up issues every week about sistas. To giving sistas opportunities to host his show and having them on his show everyday.

But that is old bald headed, fat, chubby Roland Martin so that don't count.

I can go on and on from Eric Dyson to Etan Thomas who havs showed respect for sistas and have called out brothas to carry their portion of the weight for sistas.

But see these ain't the men that these sick folks want to a knowledge.

shyt reminds me how some folks will scream from the top of their lungs how they are about black love. Then when some black folks get together that they don't approve of. All that black love shyt gets thrown out the window....cough cough Wilson and Ciara or Usher and Tomeka (sp?).

Breh this should be a thread of its own, make it happen

 

[@OffHalsted]

Another thing when black women in this mindstate say that "black men don't protect them"....i want to ask..."protect them from what?"

do you think going into the arms of our oppressors is going to achieve this protection? cause thats what you need protection from at this point.

They can protect themselves, Guns ain't just men

Go get your license & take some classes

 

[cam>]

What you're saying is the only voice that matters to yall are black male celebs and not everyday Brothers? Gotcha! I hear you loud and clear. You don't gotta quote me with a response.

No, what I'm saying is not your strawman. What I'm saying is exactly what I've said.

But to your point, the difference is platform and influence. I'm sure we'd both agree that a celeb has more public influence than an average everyday person.

And with that influence, most Black male celebs choose to either do the exact opposite of what Jesse did (demean and degrade Black women), or at best, stay completely silent and complicit.

If you wanna talk everyday avg black males though, read this forum. Notice how consistently these everyday average black men disparage Black women at any opportunity.

If you're implying that you're not like that, that's great. thx!

 

[cam>]

Stop that...None of that shyt relates to the tweet about his mother in any way

Why didnt black women assume he learned all this from his Black father and maybe they should be doing their best keep their kids fathers in their lives

Nah hun, it has everything to do with it.

These women are saying it's shameful that a man with a white mama cherishes Black women, while a legion of men with Black mamas are ever ready to malign Black women (like their own mothers).

They aren't saying that his Black father didn't play a role in developing his political conscience.

 

[J-Nice]

No, what I'm saying is not your strawman. What I'm saying is exactly what I've said.

But to your point, the difference is platform and influence. I'm sure we'd both agree that a celeb has more public influence than an average everyday person.

And with that influence, most Black male celebs choose to either do the exact opposite of what Jesse did (demean and degrade Black women), or at best, stay completely silent and complicit.

If you wanna talk everyday avg black males though, read this forum. Notice how consistently these everyday average black men disparage Black women at any opportunity.

If you're implying that you're not like that, that's great. thx!

What you're saying is exactly how I and others interpreted it. If that wasn't your intention then spend some time making your points clear and concise so nothing is lost in translation. And you're missing the point. My reply to you wasn't about whether male celebs have more influence than the everyday person (That's obvious); my beef with you was making it seem as though their voice matters more than the everyday black male (Men you are more than likely to come in contact with. Also a point that you haven't addressed). And influence in and of itself can't be measured so it's a moot point.

And by your logic, the average black woman is a carbon copy of the women on LSA because they make disparaging remarks towards black men. But we both know that NOT to be true since we have no proof that everyone on said platforms are black and real life experiences say otherwise.

 

[Athenna]

Why are those women reaching so hard ?

 

[GodinDaFlesh]

Because nikkas get easily distracted. Instead of focusing on the real enemy, which is white supremacy, they want to display their usual black men vs black women, light skin vs dark skin, etc. nonsense.

 

[Neuromancer]

Idk and I no longer care. The way I've been living has worked for me so I'm not changing.

 

[Neuromancer]

Idk and I no longer care. The way I've been living has worked for me so I'm not changing.

 

[Neuromancer]

Idk and I no longer care. The way I've been living has worked for me so I'm not changing.