How could Jay Z be the GOAT when he's never made a good song that wasn't about Jay Z?

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lol. why can't people accept that jay never made an thorough classic hip hop record? lots of dope songs on albums tho.

Like hard knock life and 99 problems and dead presidents right? Jay has 3 classic albums, and you think he has no classic record?

Stop dikking around.
 

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Like hard knock life and 99 problems and dead presidents right? Jay has 3 classic albums, and you think he has no classic record?

Stop dikking around.

i meant album when i said record. jay does not have 3 classic albums, he has one arguable, only off the merrit of it being his best album(RD). everything else is hyped up. there aren't that many classic hip hop albums.
 

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i meant album when i said record. jay does not have 3 classic albums, he has one arguable, only off the merrit of it being his best album(RD). everything else is hyped up. there aren't that many classic hip hop albums.

I don't get how you say that. What determines a classic for you?
 

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Three classics.
And an album that could be considered just as good as two of those albums even though it isn't a classic :manny:
Jay :blessed:
He'll always get hate though:francis:
He's not the people's champion/concious rapper ala Nas :francis:
He lived while Biggie and Pac died so people will always mock his success :francis:
He represents everything rong with hip hop to hipsters and purists, even though they praise Biggie who rapped about the same things :francis:
The excepted narrative of him is that he's a snake b*stard who's only where he is and only get's props because he appeals to the lowest common denominator and has money :francis:
His "fall off" is grossly exaggerated and people ignore portions of his discography :francis:
 

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So for as many albums that he's put out, you expect him to to not talk about himself ?

Your reaching and running out of reasons. You can keep turning red in the face when it comes to Jay. But his whole body of work and career is why he's the GOAT. He doesn't even have to put out any music or be up in the news, but your thoughts and comments keep him relevant.
 

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he needs to drop a new disc, with fresh hard rhymes like his recent verse on we made it w jay electronica.
Like dude...he still got it.

I was ready to write him off...until this...


nikka flowing like it was 1996 all over again.. :wow:

Like we need THIS JayZ immediately! Rhyming with the FOI in tha back...
 

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I think I gave it a 7 out of 10 when it came out of two listens. I might go lower now. I haven't played anything off it in a long time. But I still think Kingdom Come is his worst. The Prelude cannot make up for that mediocrity.
If probably give it a 3-4 out of 10. It was the first Jay album where there were no great verses. The beats were nothing special. It was a cash grab. :yeshrug:
KC had the Prelude which is classic, then a few good songs in the first half. On the whole it was wack - maybe a 5-6. MCHG was just a whole new level of :francis:
 

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and you're wrong in that breh. ATLiens, Soul Food, Aquemini are right up there with the very best tbh. But I respect your opinion.
Soul Food don't even belong in the conversation.
Aquemini is a classic, but it's not held in the same regard as Infamous, Illmatic, Chronic, Paid in Full, etc.
Classics are really more so about consensus amongst the core audience.
I think Atliens and the Diary are the closest to being GOAT contenders. I don't agree that they are, but i can see the argument.
 
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