I'm 50/50 on ATLiens vs Aquemeni. Both are equally good, although ATLiens holds a place with me because that was the "flip" album. But as a collective, when Stankonia is considered your "worst" album, you are doing something right. (no, I don't count Speakerboxxx/Love Below as an Outkast album)
That's one thing I've always said about Jay. While a lot of artist are up and down, he has been one of the most consistent, if not the most consistent in the game. His best was not better than others, but while some great artist put out trash albums, Jay kept hits coming. People call Reasonable Doubt Jay's best album when it could be argued that it wasn't even in the Top 3 in 1996. That's no shot at Jay but 95-96 produced some of the most quality music in hip hop history.I see the Jay stans in full effect. I appreciate the negs. Lets me know you're mad and I'm on point. Lemme break it down for most of y'all:
I actually grew up listening to Jay-Z. I witnessed Jay-Z drop classic records, and I was well into high school when Jay-Z started being one of the biggest hip hop stars (Vol 2). I'm a fan of his great music. I was the guy telling y'all that Vol 2 >> 400 Degreez which had people catching feelings. I think Jay-Z is the most consistent rapper of all time.
But Jay-Z has never had a classic album. He's not that guy. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings. Maybe you wish you were Jay so you'd be fukking Beyonce and you're thinking: 'if I stan Jay, I can be a boss just like him'Life doesn't quite work like that.
Liquid Swords is certified in my book. OB4CL is considered a hands down classic, but truth is, it's debatable if that or Liquid Swords was the best album to come out the camp...
That's one thing I've always said about Jay. While a lot of artist are up and down, he has been one of the most consistent, if not the most consistent in the game. He best was not better than others, but while some great artist put out trash albums, Jay kept hits coming. People call Reasonable Doubt Jay's best album when it could be argued that it wasn't even in the Top 3 in 1996. That's no shot at Jay but 95-96 produced some of the most quality music in hip hop history.
Exactly. Jay found his lane and rode it well and that's one thing he can't be knocked for. He wasn't trying to make classic albums; he was trying to get paid and said such in "Moment of Clarity." IMO, Jay has never made a classic album IMO but he has made great albums. For me to consider an album a classic, it has to have "playthrough." If I listen to an album and think, "he/she should have left this song off the album," I can't call it a classic. I remember somebody arguing with me that College Dropout (which is one of my favorite albums) was a classic. I then asked them to rap "Breathe In, Breathe Out," and that was the end of that debate..lol
Agreed 100%
Since when does "Radio play means it can't be classic" ?
What do you think Purple Rain and Thriller were doing ?
They were running the radio ragged that's what.
Jay-Z is one of the goats.
We need to stop these played out threads about Jay-Z,Nas, Dipset etc.
It's like this forum is perpetually stuck in 2000-fukking-7
Regarding Thriller, that was the entire point of it.
Since when does "Radio play means it can't be classic" ?
What do you think Purple Rain and Thriller were doing ?
They were running the radio ragged that's what.
Jay-Z is one of the goats.
We need to stop these played out threads about Jay-Z,Nas, Dipset etc.
It's like this forum is perpetually stuck in 2000-fukking-7
Since when does "Radio play means it can't be classic" ?
What do you think Purple Rain and Thriller were doing ?
They were running the radio ragged that's what.
Jay-Z is one of the goats.
We need to stop these played out threads about Jay-Z,Nas, Dipset etc.
It's like this forum is perpetually stuck in 2000-fukking-7
who is determining these classic. Cause outside of the east coast u will rarely ever heard ob4cl or liquid sword as classic/genre defining. Illmatic and doggy style and other album transcended they region
Blueprint and black album had more influence and thoroughness then most albums in hip hop history
I used to feel that way....I see the Jay stans in full effect. I appreciate the negs. Lets me know you're mad and I'm on point. Lemme break it down for most of y'all:
I actually grew up listening to Jay-Z. I witnessed Jay-Z drop classic records, and I was well into high school when Jay-Z started being one of the biggest hip hop stars (Vol 2). I'm a fan of his great music. I was the guy telling y'all that Vol 2 >> 400 Degreez which had people catching feelings. I think Jay-Z is the most consistent rapper of all time.
But Jay-Z has never had a classic album. He's not that guy. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings. Maybe you wish you were Jay so you'd be fukking Beyonce and you're thinking: 'if I stan Jay, I can be a boss just like him'
No it isn't. Teenage Love was about Slick Rick? Keep Ya Head Up was about 2Pac? Bonita Applebum was about Q-Tip? Mainstream was about Outkast and Goodie Mob? Burn Hollywood Burn was about Chuck, Ice Cube, and Big Daddy Kane? Jimmy was about KRS-One? One Love was about Nas? I could go on and on.