How Can We Address Anti-intellectualism in Our Communities?

[bigDeeOT]

First off being "born out of wedlock" tells you nothing if the child's upbringing. Plenty of children are born out if wedlock yet still grow up with both parents.

Yes I understand that out of wedlock births doesn't mean 100% of those kids will grow up in single parent homes. But the vast majority of them do. When you have 70% of african american births stemming out of marriage, don't you think that means a lot of black kids are being raised in single parent households? Come on man I know you see this, you're just trying to argue for no reason.

Plenty of people are born to married parents and end up being raised in a fukked up unstable home.

The big picture is this. When kids are raised in two parent households, they are much more likely to live a normal life and be productive members of society than kids born in single parent households. The difference is HUGE. Do you disagree with this?

Secondly the statistic in itself is misleading. Irresponsible pregnancies to young black mothers are at an all time low.

No it isn't. I know what statistic you're getting that from because I've seen other people misuse it. The statistic says that the out of wedlock pregnancy rate is GROWING slower than it has been in previous years. So instead of it growing like 2% a year, it's only jumped like 1% this year. But at the end of the day, if its grown from 69% to 70%, you still have a 70% out of wedlock pregnancy rate.

The problem is that married black women aren't having many babies at all, therefore the statistic gets skewed.

Well even if that were true, how does that help anything? You're saying married women have less kids, and unmarried single women without financial responsibility are having more kids than married couples? How does that help you? That is exactly what I am trying to point out to YOU! That is a problem.

Furthermore unwed babie are on the rise in the entire world. To try to paint this as a unique trait of black people is wrong on many levels.

That still doesn't change the fact that no other race in this entire country has a 70% out of wedlock birth rate. If there are other communities across the world that have that same problem, then they have serious issues too. But my concern here is only what is going on with black people in america.





No they don't. Poor whites, blacks, Mexicans, and anyone else you can name have all the same problems. They stem from poverty and social status, not race.[/quote]

 

[bigDeeOT]

Which is why you can't use those statistics to make definitive statements about black people in America.

Why? It's basically saying blacks vs non blacks. What's the problem?

I'm saying the way you are using the statistics is wrong.

Then how should I use them?

 

[bigDeeOT]

And this is it in a nutshell. You use flawed and false information and stereotypes to justify the continued unfair treatment of black people. This has been going on for centuries and I know this dude is just a st0rmfr0nt race troll, but the worst part of it is dudes like @theworldismine13 co-sign and continue to promote this shyt.

at you dudes

If its so flawed and false, prove me wrong. Why can't you prove me wrong if I am so clearly making false claims? Tell me exactly what part of what I said do you not agree with?

Can you provide me with one example of a school with majority blacks that can serve as a model for how other black schools should be? There's literally not one single school in this entire country. And if there is, its full of AFRICANS not african americans.

 

[bigDeeOT]

My arguments cannot be deconstructed. It doesn't look like this is going anywhere so I'll wish you guys a good day.

I'll be back on here in other threads. Don't ban me just because I'm quoting facts and statistics that you interpret as "hate speech."

Funny how you guys don't see the problem with that. Facts = hate speech lol

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Why? It's basically saying blacks vs non blacks. What's the problem?

No it's not. That's what you are saying, but you have no idea how the races are broken down between white, black, and other

Then how should I use them?

Statistics are simply information. Trying to use them to make overreaching statements will always be wrong.

 

[Kritic]

man I took a nap and the thread went 6 pages. I read a few posts but they're just too much distraction posts for me to read all. I can waste my time responding to bigdeeot

this guy to me can only be 2 things
1. a guy brainwashed beyond repair;
2. an infiltrator to distract and confuse this discussion.

this is my beef with devils and their agents/c00ns. I don't waste my time. Debating them. Intact I'm down for just killing them. it's the only way to move forward cause they are plants to keep us in a state of confusion.

 

[Calmye]

I'm not moving the goal post dude. You honestly think black people as a whole actually own things in this country. Look up this guy Claude Anderson on youtube. I don't agree with a lot of what he says but one of the main points he makes is that we own nothing in this country. A lot of other black commentators have said the same thing and I have yet to see anyone claim that black people own a lot (or even a significant) amount of businesses in this country.

You keep saying that "we" are only 13% of the country but you expect "our" community to own a significant amount of the business in America? The list of black owned businesses goes on and on breh. Stop looking merely at national statistics and take a drive to the south and mid west. We have black owned businesses. Just because people like you and the people you posted want to look down at us doesn't remove the fact that we came from slaves and are fighting tooth and nail everyday to build our individual lives. The criminals in our community make less then 3% of the population yet to seem to paint every AA a no good lazy dem thug criminal. Like I said before you dont like black Americans so speaking to you about "our" community is beyond pointless.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Yes I understand that out of wedlock births doesn't mean 100% of those kids will grow up in single parent homes. But the vast majority of them do.

You don't know that to be a fact. Once again making up your own "facts"

When you have 70% of african american births stemming out of marriage, don't you think that means a lot of black kids are being raised in single parent households? Come on man I know you see this, you're just trying to argue for no reason.

Yes a lot of black kids are being raised in single parent homes. That statistic doesn't tell you that though.

The big picture is this. When kids are raised in two parent households, they are much more likely to live a normal life and be productive members of society than kids born in single parent households. The difference is HUGE. Do you disagree with this?

I agree to an extent, there are no guarantees either way , but again your statistic does not say who is or who isn't raised in a single parent home.

No it isn't. I know what statistic you're getting that from because I've seen other people misuse it. The statistic says that the out of wedlock pregnancy rate is GROWING slower than it has been in previous years. So instead of it growing like 2% a year, it's only jumped like 1% this year. But at the end of the day, if its grown from 69% to 70%, you still have a 70% out of wedlock pregnancy rate.

No you don't understand the statistics you are quoting. Pregnancies to young black mother are at an all time low and still on the decline.

Well even if that were true, how does that help anything? You're saying married women have less kids, and unmarried single women without financial responsibility are having more kids than married couples? How does that help you? That is exactly what I am trying to point out to YOU! That is a problem.

I don't say it helps anything, it just shows how flawed and misleading that statistic is. Plenty of black women have children BEFORE getting married. Their kids still grow up with both parents, yet their numbers are added to "out of wedlock rate"

It's a flawed and misleading statistic especially when it's used in the way you are trying to use it.

That still doesn't change the fact that no other race in this entire country has a 70% out of wedlock birth rate. If there are other communities across the world that have that same problem, then they have serious issues too. But my concern here is only what is going on with black people in america.

Looking at one number in a vacuum and using it to make broad overreaching assertions is very anti-intellectual of you.

 

[Insensitive]

It's anti-intellectual because @bigDeeOT isn't an intellectual.

He's an idiot and when he got
exposed he ran for the hills.
Which is good cause right now
I don't have the patience for perry's bullshyt.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

If its so flawed and false, prove me wrong. Why can't you prove me wrong if I am so clearly making false claims? Tell me exactly what part of what I said do you not agree with?

Can you provide me with one example of a school with majority blacks that can serve as a model for how other black schools should be? There's literally not one single school in this entire country. And if there is, its full of AFRICANS not african americans.

http://theybf.com/2013/03/29/fourth...ademy-sending-100-of-its-graduates-to-college

 

[theworldismine13]

And this is it in a nutshell. You use flawed and false information and stereotypes to justify the continued unfair treatment of black people. This has been going on for centuries and I know this dude is just a st0rmfr0nt race troll, but the worst part of it is dudes like @theworldismine13 co-sign and continue to promote this shyt.

at you dudes

the only thing i promote is individual freedom and economic freedom, the difference between me and you is that i dont really give a fuk what white people are doing, meanwhile your whole political ideology is based on convincing white people to stop being racist, im just at another level

 

[theworldismine13]

http://theybf.com/2013/03/29/fourth...ademy-sending-100-of-its-graduates-to-college

why are you posting that, that's a charter school and a type of school you vehemently oppose, according to you those types of schools are a threat to black people

the article says it best on how to improve black education

The school--which operates off a lottery system and open to any Chicago resident 9th graders--has proven once again that succeeding in education is not about how much money or access your family has, it's about an unparalleled focus on students and the best teachers possible.

 

[Calmye]

why are you posting that, that's a charter school and a type of school you vehemently oppose, according to you those types of schools are a threat to black people

the article says it best on how to improve black education

We need to have more of this

 

[MeachTheMonster]

the only thing i promote is individual freedom and economic freedom, the difference between me and you is that i dont really give a fuk what white people are doing, meanwhile your whole political ideology is based on convincing white people to stop being racist, im just at another level

Never said anything about a political ideology or white people.

You just fall back on your same tired talking points when your BS is called out

 

[MeachTheMonster]

why are you posting that, that's a charter school and a type of school you vehemently oppose, according to you those types of schools are a threat to black people

the article says it best on how to improve black education

Indivudal charter schools can be great.

As a whole the current charter school system promotes inequality, which I'm against.