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How are Black Christians "Passive" When They're Responsible for 95% of Black's Civil Rights
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Enjoy that smile while it lasts.
People just in love with the romanticism of loud black revolutionaries with guns, they never really achieved shyt. Black Panthers are most notable for their fashion & spawning modern day gangs and the NOI is most notable for killing two high profile black men, Malcom & Biggie.
Black Christians aren't docile, as we can see just by reading up on the likes of Nat Turner, Harriet Tubman and even MLK. It's just the modern black American, like most Americans, is extremely weak and comfortable.
It served it's purpose, and also cost us badly..church attendance is down, a new movement will begin elsewhere..
havoc
Superstar
I know many Christian brothers who wouldn't tolerate racism. A few of my friends keep the heater in deck just in case some clown threatening their lives. Not all Christians are soft people and will turn the other cheek if somebody attack them.
Act like Christian don't carry guns, brehsForgiveness of Charleston church shooter prompts discussion
By JESSE J. HOLLAND14 hours ago
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FILE - In this June 21, 2015, file photo, Rev. Norvel Goff prays at the empty seat of the Rev. Clementa Pinckney at the Emanuel A.M.E. Church four days after a mass shooting that claimed the lives of Pinckney and eight others in Charleston, S.C. Some family members of those killed in the church shooting have said they forgive the man who's been charged. But others in the African-American community say offering forgiveness so quickly may not be the best idea. (AP Photo/David Goldman, Pool, File)
CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) — Under an outdoor tent a few blocks from Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, Sharon Simmons paused while cleaning up from the previous night's revival to ponder the idea of forgiving the white man accused of killing nine of the historic black church's members, including the pastor.
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Many African-Americans are struggling with those same feelings as the nation begins to move past the tragedy in Charleston. Although many say their religious faith requires them to forgive, there is a question of whether a public narrative of quick forgiveness actually provides cover for whites to avoid facing racism.
"It's almost like white America is telling us, 'Help us to forget the past by telling us that you forgive us,'" said Raymond Winbush, director of the Institute for Urban Research at Morgan State University in Baltimore.
Just one day after the June 17 massacre at Emanuel, Chris Singleton, the college student son of victim Sharonda Coleman-Singleton, said he forgave his mother's killer. The following day, family members of the dead joined the first court hearing for the suspected killer, 21-year-old Dylann Roof, and told him via video conference that they, too, forgave him — even as some acknowledged also feeling angry and hurt.
"Everyone's plea for your soul is proof that they lived in love, and their legacies will live in love. So hate won't win," said Alana Simmons, granddaughter of Emanuel victim the Rev. Daniel Simmons.
Similarly, forgiveness was extended in recent days after several Southern black churches burned down in a spate of fires, some of which were deemed suspicious.
"We've already forgiven them, and we want to move forward," the Rev. Mannix Kinsey, pastor of Briar Creek Road Baptist Church in Charlotte, North Carolina, told WBTV. "And we are hoping this is an opportunity for Christ to show himself in their hearts."
Those who extend forgiveness say they are not naive in doing so. Some say they are still a working at it, and they make clear that forgiveness is not the only emotion they have about the racial events that are unfolding.
"It makes us angry. It makes some of us want to explode," the Rev. Jonathan V. Newton said Wednesday during midweek services at Metropolitan AME Church in Washington, which has increased security at its historic sanctuary since the Charleston killings. But forgiveness is "not about that person, it's about you," Newton said. "In order for you to be free, you've got to let it out."
One factor at play is that forgiveness is a strong Christian tradition, and African-Americans identify as Christians more than any other group in the United States. According to the Pew Research Center, nearly 80 percent of blacks identified as Christian in 2014, compared with 77 percent of Hispanics and 70 percent of non-Hispanic whites. A smaller number of blacks, 18 percent, identified as agnostic, atheist or "nothing in particular," compared with 24 percent of whites and 20 percent of Hispanics.
Beyond religious purposes, experts say, immediate forgiveness probably helped to forestall reactionary violence in Charleston, denying Roof the race war that police said he told them he wanted to start. Charleston remained peaceful after the killings at Emanuel, a stark contrast to the violence that broke out in Ferguson, Missouri, and Baltimore after the deaths of black men in encounters with police.
The Rev. Norvel Goff, interim pastor succeeding the late Rev. Clementa Pinckney at Emanuel, said self-preservation is also a motive — forgiving does more for the person who is hurting than the one who caused the pain.
"We're not in control of those who may commit evil acts, but we are in control of how we respond to it," Goff said.
Such was the sentiment of Martin Luther King Jr.'s father and sister as they forgave King's killer James Earl Ray, and Marcus Chenault, who shot and killed King's mother, Alberta Williams King, in 1974 as she played the organ during Sunday services at Atlanta's Ebenezer Baptist Church.
"Hate won't bring my mother or brother back. It would only destroy me," Christine King Farris told JET magazine in 1984.
Myrlie Evers-Williams, former NAACP national chairwoman, said she was moved to tears to see the Emanuel families speak immediately of forgiveness. She said forgiveness was a lengthy process for her. Harboring thoughts of vengeance for the 1963 murder of her husband, NAACP leader Medgar Evers, motivated her activism, but for her own peace she eventually let it go.
"The hatred has ended up as a motivational tool, and the forgiveness has been a salvation for me," said Evers-Williams.
Historically, Winbush said, African-Americans have been expected to forgive for slavery, discrimination, Jim Crow segregation, attacks by the Ku Klux Klan and police violence. By meeting that expectation, he said, "in one sense we aid and abet those who would commit those crimes."
Ansley M. LaMar, a professor at New Jersey City University, pointed out that the civil rights movement was born out of anger, but the nonviolence and forgiveness it espoused is what people remember about it most.
"There was an understanding that there was a community of black people who were not going to take it if it kept on happening," LaMar said. "So being forgiving doesn't mean being a wimp. It doesn't mean, white folks, you can walk all over me. It means I forgive you, but I'm not going to let this happen again."
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Associated Press writer Glynn A. Hill in Washington contributed to this report.
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Jesse J. Holland covers race, ethnicity and demographics for The Associated Press. Contact him on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jessejholland
By JESSE J. HOLLAND14 hours ago
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View photo
FILE - In this June 21, 2015, file photo, Rev. Norvel Goff prays at the empty seat of the Rev. Clementa Pinckney at the Emanuel A.M.E. Church four days after a mass shooting that claimed the lives of Pinckney and eight others in Charleston, S.C. Some family members of those killed in the church shooting have said they forgive the man who's been charged. But others in the African-American community say offering forgiveness so quickly may not be the best idea. (AP Photo/David Goldman, Pool, File)
CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) — Under an outdoor tent a few blocks from Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, Sharon Simmons paused while cleaning up from the previous night's revival to ponder the idea of forgiving the white man accused of killing nine of the historic black church's members, including the pastor.
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Many African-Americans are struggling with those same feelings as the nation begins to move past the tragedy in Charleston. Although many say their religious faith requires them to forgive, there is a question of whether a public narrative of quick forgiveness actually provides cover for whites to avoid facing racism.
"It's almost like white America is telling us, 'Help us to forget the past by telling us that you forgive us,'" said Raymond Winbush, director of the Institute for Urban Research at Morgan State University in Baltimore.
Just one day after the June 17 massacre at Emanuel, Chris Singleton, the college student son of victim Sharonda Coleman-Singleton, said he forgave his mother's killer. The following day, family members of the dead joined the first court hearing for the suspected killer, 21-year-old Dylann Roof, and told him via video conference that they, too, forgave him — even as some acknowledged also feeling angry and hurt.
"Everyone's plea for your soul is proof that they lived in love, and their legacies will live in love. So hate won't win," said Alana Simmons, granddaughter of Emanuel victim the Rev. Daniel Simmons.
Similarly, forgiveness was extended in recent days after several Southern black churches burned down in a spate of fires, some of which were deemed suspicious.
"We've already forgiven them, and we want to move forward," the Rev. Mannix Kinsey, pastor of Briar Creek Road Baptist Church in Charlotte, North Carolina, told WBTV. "And we are hoping this is an opportunity for Christ to show himself in their hearts."
Those who extend forgiveness say they are not naive in doing so. Some say they are still a working at it, and they make clear that forgiveness is not the only emotion they have about the racial events that are unfolding.
"It makes us angry. It makes some of us want to explode," the Rev. Jonathan V. Newton said Wednesday during midweek services at Metropolitan AME Church in Washington, which has increased security at its historic sanctuary since the Charleston killings. But forgiveness is "not about that person, it's about you," Newton said. "In order for you to be free, you've got to let it out."
One factor at play is that forgiveness is a strong Christian tradition, and African-Americans identify as Christians more than any other group in the United States. According to the Pew Research Center, nearly 80 percent of blacks identified as Christian in 2014, compared with 77 percent of Hispanics and 70 percent of non-Hispanic whites. A smaller number of blacks, 18 percent, identified as agnostic, atheist or "nothing in particular," compared with 24 percent of whites and 20 percent of Hispanics.
Beyond religious purposes, experts say, immediate forgiveness probably helped to forestall reactionary violence in Charleston, denying Roof the race war that police said he told them he wanted to start. Charleston remained peaceful after the killings at Emanuel, a stark contrast to the violence that broke out in Ferguson, Missouri, and Baltimore after the deaths of black men in encounters with police.
The Rev. Norvel Goff, interim pastor succeeding the late Rev. Clementa Pinckney at Emanuel, said self-preservation is also a motive — forgiving does more for the person who is hurting than the one who caused the pain.
"We're not in control of those who may commit evil acts, but we are in control of how we respond to it," Goff said.
Such was the sentiment of Martin Luther King Jr.'s father and sister as they forgave King's killer James Earl Ray, and Marcus Chenault, who shot and killed King's mother, Alberta Williams King, in 1974 as she played the organ during Sunday services at Atlanta's Ebenezer Baptist Church.
"Hate won't bring my mother or brother back. It would only destroy me," Christine King Farris told JET magazine in 1984.
Myrlie Evers-Williams, former NAACP national chairwoman, said she was moved to tears to see the Emanuel families speak immediately of forgiveness. She said forgiveness was a lengthy process for her. Harboring thoughts of vengeance for the 1963 murder of her husband, NAACP leader Medgar Evers, motivated her activism, but for her own peace she eventually let it go.
"The hatred has ended up as a motivational tool, and the forgiveness has been a salvation for me," said Evers-Williams.
Historically, Winbush said, African-Americans have been expected to forgive for slavery, discrimination, Jim Crow segregation, attacks by the Ku Klux Klan and police violence. By meeting that expectation, he said, "in one sense we aid and abet those who would commit those crimes."
Ansley M. LaMar, a professor at New Jersey City University, pointed out that the civil rights movement was born out of anger, but the nonviolence and forgiveness it espoused is what people remember about it most.
"There was an understanding that there was a community of black people who were not going to take it if it kept on happening," LaMar said. "So being forgiving doesn't mean being a wimp. It doesn't mean, white folks, you can walk all over me. It means I forgive you, but I'm not going to let this happen again."
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Associated Press writer Glynn A. Hill in Washington contributed to this report.
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Jesse J. Holland covers race, ethnicity and demographics for The Associated Press. Contact him on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jessejholland
Insensitive
Superstar
The church didn't advance Black people.
BLACK PEOPLE advanced Black people.
ReturnOfJudah
Veteran
Black Christians were responsible for slaves not rebelling to... why dont you make a thread about that instead?
Denmark Vessy, Nat Turner, and the other Christian slave rebellions disagree with you. The deacons for defense protected MLK at the height of racial tension. These people read the slave revolts in the bible for motivation to do the same. You unlearned nikkas is embarrassing and sound like parrots.
cole phelps
Superstar
this
Marvel
Psalm 149:5-9
Those Cesare Borgia black Christians are passive. They were begging Esau to allow our people to spend their hard earned money at their businesses to make them richer. They worshiped Cesare Borgia so long that they wanted to be with his people so badly even if it was to their own detriment.
The Blind Man
Illuminated Attitude Adjuster
Apologies in advance for the long post, really trying to build here.
OP I am from the UK so will not try to inflame or instigate any negativity towards any religion of beliefs, A mistake I have made in the past.
The relationship between African-American communities and "The Church" has confused me for a long time, often appearing as a example of Stockholm Syndrome. The same dogma that justified slavery also being the same dogma that, according to your good self, championed and mobilized The Civil Rights Movement.
My grandpops and his brothers choose to come to the UK from Nigeria a long time ago, they did not/do not have a positive view of christianity or islam. My non-blood tied family also choose to come here, from the Caribbean, large and smaller islands alike, and are devout Christians, there are clear distinctions between the different communities.
The UK is steeped in religious division and as a result sectarianism is rife throughout, I hear people describe it as a secular country but in my eyes they couldn't be more wrong. Here class mobility is limited irrespective of colour so the religion to which you speak offers no option to "mobilize" any real social change.
So, the crux, if you are still with me that is, do you suppose that the Civil Rights Movement, could not or would not have been possible without Christianity? Also I am interested to build on what is it about that particular religion that appeals to African-American communities?
The black church may have been somewhat involved, but they did not put in work like the Black Panthers.
Also, those civil rights activists who worked with the church aren't necessarily indoctrinated with white jesus brainwashing, they're just working with programs trying to help black people.
And say what you want, that bible was brought to Africa for a reason. Trayvon's parents forgiving George Zimmerman is conditioning that comes from somewhere...use your fukkin brain.
Hopefully not.
Seeing as how we still don't have many rights
Where was the church at Ferguson
In Watts
In Baltimore
In DC and Manhattan this past December
Aren't you Canadian
