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I'm Issaq and I support them completely.

Not all Landers are with the war criminal Behi.

Ethiopia is also making more enemies from engaging with Somaliland because the Egypt and the Arab league are strong supporter of the unity if Somalia. Even the State Department today confirmed that they do not support the break-up of Somalia.
 

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Is it preferential that Ethiopia rents space or takes it through conquest?


Does the US or UN even recognize Somaliland as independent?
 

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Is it preferential that Ethiopia rents space or takes it through conquest?


Does the US or UN even recognize Somaliland as independent?

To me what makes more sense is a rental or lease of some sort with an actual sovereign nation and not a breakaway state which is a part of your neighbor whom you’ve had rocky relations with. I don’t see why Eritrea or Kenya would be opposed. Abiy isn’t wrong in the assessment that over reliance on the Port of Djibouti isn’t good for the long term as it’s a single supply chain that can be cut. But again, antagonizing past enemies isn’t the answer.

It’s not only embarrassing being the seat of the AU to do shyt like this but it also prolongs the prospect of actually creating a more diplomatically sound opportunity to gain sea access. Unless these people want to willingly be a part of Ethiopia it’s retarded to try to coerce allies or side with illegitimate governments.
 

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Is it preferential that Ethiopia rents space or takes it through conquest?


Does the US or UN even recognize Somaliland as independent?
If Ethiopia wants to lease port space, they should go to Mogadishu not to a breakaway state in Hargeisa no one in the world recognizes.

Yes, the federal government of Somalia doesn’t control much territory and has pacts with regional states in Somalia. And yes, Somaliland is autonomous but they need to get it through their skulls that no one is recognizing them.

The US and UN will not recognize Somaliland. All the multilaterals like the EU, Arab League, etc are coming out to say they only recognize one Somalia with the borders established in July 1, 1960 when the British Somaliland (that got independent on June 26, 1960) and the Italian Somaliland (that got independent on July 1, 1960) combined together.
 

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Is it preferential that Ethiopia rents space or takes it through conquest?


Does the US or UN even recognize Somaliland as independent?

I don't think anyone is opposed to Ethiopia having access to ports e.g Djibouti.

But signing a deal for a naval/military base on the red sea with an unrecognised entity which itself doesn't control all its territory is a different ball game. Ridiculous

All the while threatening neighbours that they will debo some shyt :dead:

Abiy is crazy
 

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I'm Issaq and I support them completely.

Not all Landers are with the war criminal Behi.

Ethiopia is also making more enemies from engaging with Somaliland because the Egypt and the Arab league are strong supporter of the unity if Somalia. Even the State Department today confirmed that they do not support the break-up of Somalia.

Aside from recognition, it's a terrible deal for SL anyway.

I mean the power imbalance in the relationship alone means that this "lease" would be permanent... Ethiopia has a population of 120m+ v SL 4m+

They think they can just turn around in 50 years after generations have grown up under the status quo and say "thanks guys, we will be terminating this lease".

The Ethiopians will then say "sure thing buddy :salute: " dismantle their navy and go back to being landlocked

Lol
 

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I'm Issaq and I support them completely.

Not all Landers are with the war criminal Behi.

Ethiopia is also making more enemies from engaging with Somaliland because the Egypt and the Arab league are strong supporter of the unity if Somalia. Even the State Department today confirmed that they do not support the break-up of Somalia.
Warya respect ur president bixi. It is known somaliland is Habar awal project :banderas:
 

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Aside from recognition, it's a terrible deal for SL anyway.

I mean the power imbalance in the relationship alone means that this "lease" would be permanent... Ethiopia has a population of 120m+ v SL 4m+

They think they can just turn around in 50 years after generations have grown up under the status quo and say "thanks guys, we will be terminating this lease".

The Ethiopians will then say "sure thing buddy :salute: " dismantle their navy and go back to being landlocked

Lol
Ur uncle HSM should just recognize us
 

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This is my analysis of what’s happening between Somalia and Ethiopia.

Abiy is either a one in a couple centuries level conqueror like Genghis Khan or he is extremely egomaniacal and incompetent.

The first position is based on the unknown. Does Abiy have some super plan that involves quickly conquering the HOA? Is Abiy really the 7th Emperor like his mama said? His politics is so insane and unpredictable. However, this might be because he’s playing 4d chess while we’re playing snakes and ladders.

The 2nd position is the more likely one. I believe he bit off more than he can chew. I honestly think that he was just using Somaliland to strong arm Somalia into giving him a port, but he didn’t expect the insane backlash. HSM was forced by the population into taking a strong posture against this violation. This man united Somalis which is an extremely rare thing to do. Hell, he went even further. Abiy’s insane politics lead to Hell freezing over. For the first time in history, Somalis and Amharas are staunchly supporting each other .:laff::laff::laff::laff:

Abiy’s Ethiopia is on the brink of collapse, yet he haphazardly initiated this dispute. Ethiopia defaulted on one of its loans and is about to face a famine as bad the one in the 1980s in both the Amhara and Tigray regions. OLA shut down most of the highways in Oromia a couple of days ago showing how much on the ground support they have. Fano have been assassinating many PP leaders in their region to the point the Amhara region has become kind of ungovernable, and they have been recapturing cities (but ENDF will take them back). His blatant disregard for international norms has even made Ethiopia’s most ardent allies like Kenya stay silent instead of supporting Ethiopia. I can’t even understand how he can threaten Eritrea’s independence by calling them a mistake in the same week he violated Somalia’s sovereignty. It’s like he’s asking for a 2-front war. Abiy has been losing international support rapidly to the point he’s slowly turning Ethiopia into a pariah state. He supports the genocide in Sudan, did a genocide in Tigray, is fighting multiple insurgencies while carrying out multiple human rights violations, and is now threatening most of his neighbors. All in all, I think this deal will fizzle out. It will not lead to anything because he bit off more than he can chew. I think his government official telling the journalist that they will consider recognizing SL after they build a port and navy base is a way to make SL cancel the deal and they don’t look like they backed out to their constituents.

One thing I will add is that it is imperative for Somalis to keep pressuring HSM. We shouldn't be complacent and this event should lead to Somalia's military quickly developing into one that can defend its territorial borders in the next 2 years or so.
 
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Is the reason Ethiopia is having all these problems is because they didn't defeat the previous administration/group? Last I heard they were close to doing so then for whatever reason, didnt.
 

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Abiy isn't doing anything that the US isn't tacitly supporting (or at least indifferent to) behind the scenes. You'll know if the US is truly opposed, or if he didn't run it by them, if they start talking about sanctions.
 
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