Horn of Africa Regional Thread

[King Ming]

Because we wanted to build deeper cooperative ties with our neighbors and that was deemed as a threat to U.S. imperial interests.

fukked up shyt. i knew Amuricah was involved in this shyt. Egypt must be knee deep in here too after that Dam beef?

 

[SwizzLake]

fukked up shyt. i knew Amuricah was involved in this shyt. Egypt must be knee deep in here too after that Dam beef?

I am 100% sure they'll come for Eretria next if the TPLF succeeds...prolonging that dispute between Ethiopia and Eritrea.

 

[King Ming]

Watching this... media is fueling this war supporting the tplf

 

[Max B]

Abiy is such desperate man begging civilians to take up arms. I hope OLA and TDF do a Samuel Doe on his ass live stream it for us to see

 

[SwizzLake]

Abiy is such desperate man begging civilians to take up arms. I hope OLA and TDF do a Samuel Doe on his ass live stream it for us to see

Say the TPLF come to power, how do you think it'll benefit your people? Do you not think that ahead?

 

[SwizzLake]

Interesting how the region is split over this.

Somalia president actually supports Abiy

Somaliland does not.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Interesting how the region is split over this.

Somalia president actually supports Abiy

Somaliland does not.

I lot of those countries not willing to support the war are hoes for the West or want recognition from the West in the case of Somaliland.

 

[SwizzLake]

I lot of those countries not willing to support the war are hoes for the West or want recognition from the West in the case of Somaliland.

The issue with Somaliland is Abiy is in bed with the president of Somalia Faarmajo and Somaliland is extremely against that.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

The issue with Somaliland is Abiy is in bed with the president of Somalia Faarmajo and Somaliland is extremely against that.

It’s odd cuz he also broke a deal with Somaliland to use Barbera as an additional port. Abiy never sided with Mogadishu on some “Somaliland isn’t legit” type shyt. If anything, he’s been pretty fair and has tried to unify the region. Peace with Eritrea was supposed to help Eritrea and Djibouti resolve its problems. The idea was to actually cooperate with one another for once.

 

[SwizzLake]

Good interview

 

[Ikwa]

Exactly...any Somali supporting these TPLF terrorists ought to be ashamed of themselves. Abiy is the best politician Ethiopia had in decades, good for Ethiopia and for the region.

Somalis aren't supporting either side. We want total chaos and the eventual breaking up of this fake nation.

Yugoslavia 2.0

 

[Strapped]

Will we see another bad reenactment of black hawk down when the man enters the region on some phony democracy intervention that he started

 

[Zeila]

Interesting how the region is split over this.

Somalia president actually supports Abiy

Somaliland does not.

Somaliland is part of Somalia so their governor's so called support for either side is irrelevant.

Ethiopia has long been the West's client state in the Horn and Abiy has rocked the boat too much for their liking.

All the other Western puppets in the region including their favourite headboy i.e. Kenya will toe the line.

 

[Anhur]

What's your position on Somaliland independence?

There's a stark difference between Somaliland/Somalia and Ethiopia. One of them came together peacefully while the other was artificially created by cacs to be the c00ns of the region.
However, I do believe that we should try reconciling but if that fails they should be given a referendum with the caveat that regions under their authority are also given the right to referendums.
That would be an equitable solution.

fukk outta here. America didn’t take much time at all to take the TPLF’s side in this conflict and they’ve tripled down on it since then. Balkanization helps no one in this situation. That’s always been the fukkin problem with our region. Too many idiots are convinced that not being unified is the answer when it’s not. Kwame Nkrumah told y’all bout this years ago and y’all still don’t get it. Foreign interests will continue to run our shyt as long as we refuse to work together and unify. In fact, I can even entertain the opposition’s disdain for a highlander centric idea of Ethiopia which I also don’t fukk with. Had Abiy actually been given a chance then the platform would’ve been there to challenge those old beliefs and change them. Besides, if your people are the most oppressed then how are the so called Amharas so fukkin poor and destitute still? If TPLF is champions for Tigrayans how is Tigray still a dust bowl? Everyone has been wronged by trash leadership, Somalis are not the only victims of trash leadership in Ethiopia.

My other issue is that how can there be any opportunity for Ethiopia to reconcile those grievances of the past if we’re always pitted against one another. Mind you, a good majority of our conflicts began with foreign antagonizing. Adal vs Abyssinia wasn’t out of thin air for example. The people always have to suffer for the sins of bad leaders and in the end there’s no reconciliation nor are those bad leaders taken to task. Centuries of suspicion and hurt feelings won’t be resolved with separation and leaving ourselves at a total disadvantage in the region.

If you told me tomorrow that Ethiopia no longer existed but East Africa from Sudan to Tanzania was one solid political entity I wouldn’t even be mad. Because the way to success has always been the unification of the region and forging our own political and economic destiny. Don’t ask how the Europeans or Americans or Chinese are successful if you not willing to implement similar shyt.

Stop the cap breh. America only talked shyt for 9+ months just like they talk shyt about Saudi Arabia. They didn't do anything to Ethiopia until recently by placing sanctions and ending Agoa.
You guys fumbled the bag by not ending the TPLF quickly.

Kwame Nkrumah was a confused fellow who believed in pan-africanism but also supported the colonial borders. Quoting him is meaningless on this subject since he supported Ethiopia's claim to Western Somalia.
Unification is something you can trick children with but not grown people. Africa is way too diverse for unity.
Habeshas and Somalis are more distant than the French and British but they couldn't even stay "united" under the EU for 50 years.
We have different cultures, religions, values, and ideologies. We also have centuries of bad blood. There will never be any unity between us.
There's a better chance that China and America unite before we do (willingly).
Does that mean we should hate each other? NO! We can definitely can work together on certain things because we will be neighbors forever.

Besides, if your people are the most oppressed then how are the so called Amharas so fukkin poor and destitute still?

Are you serious?

Everyone in Ethiopia is poor and destitute. Your GDP per capita is similar to Somalia.

Somalis in Ethiopia have don't have a vioce in government like Amharas. They were economically sidelined, have been ethnically cleansed/genocided more than any other ethnicity by far, and have been under military occupation until 2018.
You Amhara brehs can't even hide your inner hatred.
This same breh is talking about unity.

 

[Trajan]

In concrete terms, what has Abiy done for Somalia? He has good relations with Farmaajo, but what has that done for people on ground?

Back in 1991 when TPLF first came to power, there was also a similar rosy period between Somali region and Addis. It seemed like they were receiving greater autonomy and stability. Yet things came to a head as time passed and they consolidated power.

What gives you confidence this won’t happen again, seeing how Abiy has governed in past few years? You have great confidence and trust in same guy who was donning Oromo traditional clothes, dancing at Irreechaa, then turned around and jailed same people who brought him into power? The people he’s now allied with and give him the greatest support, covet a strong centralized Ethiopia. I don’t see any scenario where that will turn out well for the Somali region, in the long run. He has just been too distracted with bigger problems.

Current Somali region leader is just playing the opposite role of Abdi Iley, going to the extremes to curry favour with federal leader, and being more catholic than the Pope. He joined his party, blatantly rigged the regional election, and sent regional troops to fight in Amhara region. I don’t see how any of those moves will help regular Somalis in long run, though I see how it can benefit him politically.

I mean fair point. It does remain to be seen whether Abiy turns out to be a snake and all of this is a fake honeymoon. However what I do know is the TPLF have decades of repressive policies in the Somali region.. Genocide and the blood of 30k+ somalis. The Butcher of Mogadishu is still free

Somalis aren't supporting either side. We want total chaos and the eventual breaking up of this fake nation.

No we don't