HOES KILLED HIP HOP...end of story
- Thread starter KENNY DA COOKER
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Alienating hardcore Hip Hop heads was the worst thing that you can do.
The other way around. Hip Hop in the late 90s was a powerful force and the likes of Puff/ Ma$e/ Jigga marketing this image that you gotta be in the club, fukking pretty hoes, and drinking expensive liquor to mainstream rap.
The_King_of_Everything
Yeah.
THIS shyt RIGHT HERE!
The Dust King
A Childrens Story
so your saying I should lump nas up with dj hollywood cuz they both culture thieves?
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
once upon a time, complex rappers, conscious rappers, political rappers, etc knew how to make entertaining music, catchy hooks and so on.
if im old enough to remember this, then surely you are. lets stop making excuses for certain rappers and connecting dots that dont exist.
They can still do so, but Puff fukked up the culture for anyone that didn't fit into his limited perception of a "real" artist, meaning that no matter how much great music that socially conscious/ complex/ political rappers make, it will always be undermined.
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
EXACTLY. women might like alot of bullchit, but at the end of the day, they base what should be respected off of what their brothers and boyfriends are listening to.
the problem is that we're at the point where alot of the brothers & boyfriends are lost in the sauce themselves, which leads the females astray.
whos doing it? its a rarity.
puff was a problem, no doubt, but he didnt force these other rappers to stop jammin. these dudes like mos def and them talked all that chit back in the day, but their appeal & music was niche, and they cant blame anybody but themselves. and i always saw thru their chit. nowadays you got mos def gassing up asap rocky at his release party, and talib kweli doing a song with gucci mane. a complete 360 from the "stance" they supposedly took. i always rolled my eyes at all them okay-player types. you see the roots wasted no time becoming jay-z's band.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
exactly,....
duke, wrote the main records for will smith.
that created a second spreadsheet tally for the industry.
to continue the jiggy/culture thievery sellout tactics.
that further eroded the protection mechanism.
even worse than puff's damage as well.
on top, of previous violations.
nas is the darth Vader of rap.
Art Barr
Someone posted a chart a few weeks back but from 2001 on album sales went on a steady decline after soaring through much of the previous decade. Hip Hop definitely took a huge hit when everyone could burn their own CDs on a whim.
If you have sales you dont have to change your product, one of the few artists who that is proven for is Young Jeezy.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
first off,
people in the huge one percent who were the most profitable rap fans.
were able to burn their own cd's as far back as the early nineties.
yet, burning cd's and making your own tape.
never, generally hampered record sales in those areas.
especially in rap, until the music industry.
globally moved the cultural based foundation and protection mechanisms away from the industry of rap, forcibly.
thus ruining the quality control.
that lack of quality control and omission of cultural responsibility.
lead, to the reason records sales across the board have declined.
to touch on your jeezy comments.
as the first exception to the rule for southern easily digestible pop rap trap music.
jeezy has the most sonically advanced southern music ever made.
argueably, for the digital age.
is, one of the most advanced sonic introduction in the history of music for one specific genre.
who is also the template to all of music.
generally, that is currently made now.
which, is the sonic standard industry rule, for pop music.
so, using jeezy for your argument also proves me right.
as it has all the high quality components a rap record is to have sonically.
lyrically, jeezy leaves a lot to be desired.
as did, dre's the chronic.
the chronic, was the first lench pin and anchor.
for the music industry to make rap into pop music as a science.
since the prison economy system got behind the marketing of dre's the chronic.
sonic clarity became a mainstay to the profit margin of rap.
while, lyrical ability and skill became less of the mainstay, to the industry.
as the prison economy system wanted more rap.
with less of a responsibility to the culture and rap's prohibitive tale.
plus, priced rap out of the sector for the a-typical rap artist to be successful.
since, it was the sonic standard bearer and main marketed pop product in rap history.
jeezy, follows this and you can not use its exception to the rule based ideals.
on the general rule.....
the general rule for rap records had a cultural based quality.
that was stricken away in favor of ideals that mirror house/pop records.
inbetween the releases of the chronic to chronic 2oo1.
so, by the time...
rap fully was the complete anchor and direction of popular culture.
from marketing to sales to common social interaction.
the culture of hiphop was eroded and thus the decline in sales.
as rap records,...
no longer mirrored the quality.
or attention to cultural detail and minds.
that, brought rap to the forefront of popular culture.
art barr
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
youre conveniently leaving out the fact that 2001 was also the weakest year for albums ever at that point.
people were burning cds in 2000 as well, yet 2000 was one of the most prosperous years for rap music.
edit: @Art Barr broke it down already, and did it way better.
this is a HORRIBLE EXAMPLE.
you do know that "all good" wasnt bone thug's song right!!??
its a bass record for an r&b artist that they were putting out. what did you want them to do? have her up their singing about slangin rock over e.99 eternal instrumentals for an hour?
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Since when are hooks not supposed to.....hook u in to a song?
Yall nikkaz dum and dense as fck
Yall nikkaz dum and dense as fck
Barr...
You think everybody successful was a culture theif or sellout.
Tell me this: what have YOU done for the culture?
I would wait... but I ain't got that long.
